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Re: Minimum Wage STX
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rotorhead
October 29, 2015 08:18PM

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watruw8ing4
The Federal minimum wage law in the FLSA was indeed created to provide a living wage. The intended purpose is in the bill's language. The "entry level wage" mythical argument is an excuse cooked up to make the sanctimonious feel better. It has no basis in our legal history.

Please provide a link which states that minimum wage must be a "living wage".

[www.dol.gov]

Re: Minimum Wage STX
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rotorhead
October 29, 2015 09:10PM

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[fortune.com]

Really "slaughtering" his business

Apparently it might be "slaughtering" his business.
His key and highly paid employees are leaving because they do not feel it is fair for unskilled employees to make the same salary that they do. His customers are leaving because they anticipate a price increase.
[www.forbes.com]



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Re: Minimum Wage STX

Spartygrad95
October 29, 2015 09:27PM

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He lost 2% of customers. Profits and revenue are up. Yup. Slaughtered.

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rotorhead
October 29, 2015 09:34PM

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And he is being sued by his brother/partner.
[www.seattletimes.com]

So Sparty, how many successful companies have you started and run? How many employees? What did you pay them?

Re: Minimum Wage STX

Spartygrad95
October 29, 2015 09:41PM

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His brother suing him is unrelated to wage increases. He lost 2 employees. I'm just a working schlump. Have no desire to start a business, I work enough already. That said, I would not start a business if I intended on paying employees starvation wages. Lifting wages is good for all workers. How can more cash in pockets of people be a detriment to businesses who rely on others dispoable income?

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rotorhead
October 29, 2015 09:57PM

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Spartygrad95
His brother suing him is unrelated to wage increases. He lost 2 employees. I'm just a working schlump. Have no desire to start a business, I work enough already. That said, I would not start a business if I intended on paying employees starvation wages. Lifting wages is good for all workers. How can more cash in pockets of people be a detriment to businesses who rely on others dispoable income?

If his brother wins then the company is looking at bankruptcy. His brother feels that he was undercompensated and is pushing for a stock buy-back.

I have no problems with him raising his employees wages to anything that he likes. It is his company. I disagree with the heavy hand of government being used to force a business owner to run HIS business in a manner approved by the government.

As I said before, if this was a successful strategy then why isn't everyone doing it? If you can count on doubling your profit by raising salaries then all businesses would do it. Or maybe the increased profits had nothing to do with increased salaries. Maybe it had more to do with the increased free advertising that he got because of his "stunt".

Minimum wage is nothing more than "price fixing", i.e. members a group colluding to artificially keep the price of a commodity high. I bet you hate price fixing when businesses do it but love it when labor does it.

Labor unions are nothing more than labor cartels. They work the same way. I bet you love cartels. Or only labor cartels?

Re: Minimum Wage STX

jonrobin
October 29, 2015 10:32PM

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Our country was not formed based on socialism it was based on freedom. Freedom is not telling people what to pay their employees. If you don't like the wages do something to change it. There problem is to many people want to tell you what to
do and what you should believe. Thats not freedom.

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Spartygrad95
October 29, 2015 10:55PM

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jonrobin
Our country was not formed based on socialism it was based on freedom. Freedom is not telling people what to pay their employees. If you don't like the wages do something to change it. There problem is to many people want to tell you what to
do and what you should believe. Thats not freedom.

Freedom for white male land owners.. FIFY

Re: Minimum Wage STX

jonrobin
October 29, 2015 10:57PM

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Spartygrad95
October 29, 2015 10:58PM

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Also "socialism" surrounds us. Schools, highways, hospitals, prisons, etc. those damn labor unions and their 40 hour work week and on job safety. I long for the robber baron era.

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Spartygrad95
October 29, 2015 10:59PM

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jonrobin
FIFY?

Fixed it for you

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jonrobin
October 29, 2015 11:01PM

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We will just have to agree to diagree. The country seems to be split almost 50/50

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Spartygrad95
October 29, 2015 11:07PM

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how can you disagree with the fact that this country was founded on freedom for white male land owners? Is that up for debate?

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jonrobin
October 29, 2015 11:14PM

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I'm talking about the original subject of the post. The freedom to run your business the way you want. Do you want someone to tell you how to run your life and what is right or wrong. Why did race have to be added to the topic?

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Spartygrad95
October 29, 2015 11:40PM

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You said our country was formed based on freedom. That is not accurate. It wasn't formed on economic freedom either. Now, if you want to debate whether government now wields too much power in economic doings that can be debated.

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jonrobin
October 29, 2015 11:55PM

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I think I will pass on the debate at this time. I hope you have a great night.

Re: Minimum Wage STX

speee1dy
October 30, 2015 07:34AM

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has anyone ever determined what a "living wage" is? by whose definition is a wage livable.

some people live well on 20,000 while others couldnt see themselves living on less than 200,000.

Re: Minimum Wage STX

watruw8ing4
October 30, 2015 07:43AM

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rotorhead
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watruw8ing4
The Federal minimum wage law in the FLSA was indeed created to provide a living wage. The intended purpose is in the bill's language. The "entry level wage" mythical argument is an excuse cooked up to make the sanctimonious feel better. It has no basis in our legal history.

Please provide a link which states that minimum wage must be a "living wage".

[www.dol.gov]

I already stated it was in the bill. I'll be willing to find an easily googled link to a federal bill as soon as I see your link showing the intention was to provide an entry level wage, since you did make that allegation first.

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East Ender
October 30, 2015 07:53AM

Registered: 13 years ago
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FIFY. Isn't that that soccer group? Oh, I mean "football"....
silly smiley

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Spartygrad95
October 30, 2015 08:03AM

Registered: 4 years ago
Posts: 1,885

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East Ender
FIFY. Isn't that that soccer group? Oh, I mean "football"....
silly smiley

happy

Re: Minimum Wage STX

sunsetr
October 30, 2015 08:20AM

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FIFY = "fixed it for you"

Re: Minimum Wage STX

stxisbest
October 31, 2015 06:40PM

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Spartygrad95
Lifting wages is good for all workers. How can more cash in pockets of people be a detriment to businesses who rely on others dispoable income?

Are you reading Obamas playbook? You know, fair share and all whether you earned it or not. My income is not disposable to those who don't deserve it nor are they entitled to it.

Re: Minimum Wage STX

Spartygrad95
October 31, 2015 09:00PM

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stxisbest
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Spartygrad95
Lifting wages is good for all workers. How can more cash in pockets of people be a detriment to businesses who rely on others dispoable income?

Are you reading Obamas playbook? You know, fair share and all whether you earned it or not. My income is not disposable to those who don't deserve it nor are they entitled to it.

Sadly people rush to judge and put people in categories. This is not an Obama issue (I never voted for him). You have disposable income no? You know foe eating out? Movies? Etc? Maybe we should have a "check your GD privilege" button before posting. Small business relies heavily on disposable income.

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