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Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

Spartygrad95
March 14, 2016 01:46PM

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Obama cannot unilaterally downsize the military.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

STTsailor
March 14, 2016 01:49PM

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vicanuck
I would never pay $30 - 50 thousand a year to send my kid to college. My youngest is at the University of Toronto where annual tuition is $7200 CDN. With the weak Canadian dollar, its costing me about $5500 USD.

That's right. Canadians can educate their young ones at attainable cost. Why we have to pay 10 times more for the same quality schooling? Does Canadian taxpayer subsidize education? If yes, to what extent? My son looked at McGill University Med school. IIRC tuition for US citizens was $14,000 per year. I doubt Canada would subsidize US kid. That is a bargain price for $50-70K US Med school.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

Spartygrad95
March 14, 2016 01:54PM

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People spend that much on school because they have been fed this falsehood of the American Dream.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

NJoy
March 14, 2016 03:10PM

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All I am hearing on the News is ......"The people are angry." "Who are Trump supporters?".

And, most Cable News Networks are now covering the elections 24/7. I don't think because elections are breaking news, we are still so far out; but with Trump in the race it has become a big reality show. Entertainment.

You know there is going to be a crash ahead so you don't look away because you don't want to miss it.

I do not think we can blame the Obama Administration for perceived declines. In fact, the opposite is true. Sunday 3/13 CNN morning program Global Public Square (GPS) did a fabulous job outlining with specifics how great America's growth is above expectations. We even have better GDP growth than China now. China's economy is slowing.


The MAJOR reason I personally feel many Americans are so angry is because [WE] are evolving and most don't adapt to change well. America use to be #1 in the world and now if you look at where we rank on any given category we fall far down the list compared to other countries. We rank below Canada on Education.

We need to renew a spirit of individual competition with in us all!


Everyone has to buckle down and "produce"....invent jobs, innovate, evolve with the direction of the economy, Tech Jobs, coding, solar power, clean energy.

When I move to USVI I will need to adapt and change. Heck, I don't even know if I can find a job. Yet, I am willing to do anything....well just about anything to support myself.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

speee1dy
March 14, 2016 03:16PM

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i believe germany has free tuition for all students. german citizens and non german citizens

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

Spartygrad95
March 14, 2016 03:18PM

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Many European countries offer those things.. Along with higher tax rates. The idea of American exceptionalism and individuality is too ingrained in the fabric of our being for it to ever work here.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

NJoy
March 14, 2016 03:48PM

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speee1dy
i believe germany has free tuition for all students. german citizens and non german citizens

This is correct. Germany provides at no cost University level education to all who want's it. Residents and Non-Residents.

Courses are taught in English.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

janeinstx
March 14, 2016 04:23PM

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Nothing is free. It's taxpayer supported. Well, I guess if you don't pay any taxes and you go it's free to you, but someone is paying.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

tedc
March 14, 2016 04:52PM

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Yeah investing in education is a horrible idea that never pays back.

Far more efficient to send the kids off to prison or war, those are less expensive and totally worth it.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

speee1dy
March 14, 2016 05:02PM

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just mentioned it because there are those on here who have college age kids.
it is a given that the tax payer pays to support what germany offers

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

Spartygrad95
March 14, 2016 05:33PM

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tedc
Yeah investing in education is a horrible idea that never pays back.

Far more efficient to send the kids off to prison or war, those are less expensive and totally worth it.

I literally lol'ed

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

vicanuck
March 14, 2016 05:36PM

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janeinstx
Nothing is free. It's taxpayer supported. Well, I guess if you don't pay any taxes and you go it's free to you, but someone is paying.

In my case, its the benefits of being a dual citizenship family.

I'm a Canadian, the wife is Canadian/American and the kids are Canadians with Green Cards.

But the tuition at Canadian universities is still less than half for US kids than they'd pay for a comparable US institution. Many of our US friends with soon graduating children are looking into Canadian schools now. Education is commodity that should be purchased at the lowest cost.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

Spartygrad95
March 14, 2016 05:47PM

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janeinstx
Nothing is free. It's taxpayer supported. Well, I guess if you don't pay any taxes and you go it's free to you, but someone is paying.

In my case, its the benefits of being a dual citizenship family.

I'm a Canadian, the wife is Canadian/American and the kids are Canadians with Green Cards.

But the tuition at Canadian universities is still less than half for US kids than they'd pay for a comparable US institution. Many of our US friends with soon graduating children are looking into Canadian schools now. Education is commodity that should be purchased at the lowest cost.

How much does Trump University cost?

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

dougtamjj
March 14, 2016 06:10PM

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Many Ivy league and top universities in the US offer free online classes. If you want the credit you pay for the class. You can also dual enroll your child in many colleges and universities at age 16, some will accept younger, so by the time they graduate many of them can or do have an associates degree by the time they graduate high school. These credits can then transfer to a 4 year university if you want to continue. You can do this at a community college and save the expense of big university cost. You can also take free online classes and clep the test for credit. At our local community college it cost $35 to Clep the test for credit and for some classes there is no charge at all. There is really no need to spend a fortune on college unless you want a doctorate. Even that can be done economically. My sister has a doctorate in education. She obtained her degree while working full time as a teacher and raising 3 kids. She took online classes went to the university 2 weekends a month. Even if you want to be a lawyer, you can take free classes and "read" law under the guidance of a lawyer and then go for the bar exam.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

Spartygrad95
March 14, 2016 06:18PM

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dougtamjj
Many Ivy league and top universities in the US offer free online classes. If you want the credit you pay for the class. You can also dual enroll your child in many colleges and universities at age 16, some will accept younger, so by the time they graduate many of them can or do have an associates degree by the time they graduate high school. These credits can then transfer to a 4 year university if you want to continue. You can do this at a community college and save the expense of big university cost. You can also take free online classes and clep the test for credit. At our local community college it cost $35 to Clep the test for credit and for some classes there is no charge at all. There is really no need to spend a fortune on college unless you want a doctorate. Even that can be done economically. My sister has a doctorate in education. She obtained her degree while working full time as a teacher and raising 3 kids. She took online classes went to the university 2 weekends a month. Even if you want to be a lawyer, you can take free classes and "read" law under the guidance of a lawyer and then go for the bar exam.

A bachelor degree from a state funded school in Michigan will still run you $55k if you go all four years there. Schools, at least in Michigan, may or may not let you clep out of classes. I was able to clep out of university requirement for math but was unable to clep out of college of agriculture and natural resources requirement for botany 101, even though I had 4.0 301,405,410. The system is broke

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

dougtamjj
March 14, 2016 07:00PM

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I don't know the requirements in Michigan but I do know that there are options in almost every state that will lower your college expenses. If you want to go to a university, take a full load every year, live on campus and spend 4 years there you will pay for that experience. Of course you cannot clep out of everything but in the first two years you can clep quite a bit, at least here in Virginia. Also children in public school in Virginia can dual enroll for free in there last two years of high school. Home schooled children have to pay even though their taxes support the local school system as well, but it is still less expensive than university.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

Spartygrad95
March 14, 2016 07:11PM

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The point still is starting a career in substantial debt is not a good thing.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

JohnnyU
March 14, 2016 07:22PM

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Posts: 446

For those wanting a German style College experience, they're enrollment rates are less than the U.S.

I'll be glad when the election season is done, the mindless repeating of candidate talking points is already getting old...

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

janeinstx
March 14, 2016 07:31PM

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tedc
Yeah investing in education is a horrible idea that never pays back.

Far more efficient to send the kids off to prison or war, those are less expensive and totally worth it.

I didn't say that. I said it's not free.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

JohnnyU
March 14, 2016 07:32PM

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Spartygrad95
The point still is starting a career in substantial debt is not a good thing.

I think you'll see a bifurcation in college education. An accreditation path - MOOC's (like MRU, Harvard, UofC). These will be the next centuries trade schools and a degree path for STEM, MBA's for executives and what ever the real rich want for their kids

YMMV

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

watruw8ing4
March 14, 2016 08:03PM

Registered: 10 years ago
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Spartygrad95
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tedc
Yeah investing in education is a horrible idea that never pays back.

Far more efficient to send the kids off to prison or war, those are less expensive and totally worth it.

I literally lol'ed

Me too.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

Spartygrad95
March 14, 2016 08:04PM

Registered: 3 years ago
Posts: 1,870

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JohnnyU
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Spartygrad95
The point still is starting a career in substantial debt is not a good thing.

I think you'll see a bifurcation in college education. An accreditation path - MOOC's (like MRU, Harvard, UofC). These will be the next centuries trade schools and a degree path for STEM, MBA's for executives and what ever the real rich want for their kids

YMMV

Whatever is best for the plutocrats

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

dougtamjj
March 14, 2016 08:18PM

Registered: 11 years ago
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Spartygrad95
The point still is starting a career in substantial debt is not a good thing.[/quot

My point was offering some alternatives to incurring large debt for higher education.

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

Spartygrad95
March 14, 2016 08:27PM

Registered: 3 years ago
Posts: 1,870

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dougtamjj
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Spartygrad95
The point still is starting a career in substantial debt is not a good thing.[/quot

My point was offering some alternatives to incurring large debt for higher education.

Ok. Say you are able to cut 1/4 off the $55k (I doubt it could be that high) you are still starting out over $40k in debt with a bachelor degree that thousands of others possess competing for an entry level job making less than your debt per year. The system is rigged to keep you in it. Buy a house they say. Yes be immobile and cash strapped with more debt, but wait, here are some credit cards so you can at least fill your house you are stick in with crap you don't need. The American Dream

Re: Donald J. Trump on Local Radio Talk Show

JohnnyU
March 14, 2016 08:38PM

Registered: 3 years ago
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Spartygrad95
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JohnnyU
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Spartygrad95
The point still is starting a career in substantial debt is not a good thing.

I think you'll see a bifurcation in college education. An accreditation path - MOOC's (like MRU, Harvard, UofC). These will be the next centuries trade schools and a degree path for STEM, MBA's for executives and what ever the real rich want for their kids

YMMV

Whatever is best for the plutocrats

Because it makes so much sense for the majority of those in college to end up $100-200M in debt.

It's similar to the German model you were lauding.

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