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Posted : August 17, 2015 1:15 pm
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For those of you who may be interested in understanding the context of this tragedy, this is an excellent and dispassionate article: scubatechphilippines.com/scuba_blog/

One thing that makes this incident unique is that the attempt was publicized well in advance, and that people with genuine experience well beyond Doc Deep's level, both here on St. Croix and across internet were unanimous in their condemnation of it. And if you sift through the chatter and Monday morning analysis the fact that stands out most clearly is that the likelihood of success seems to have been near zero.

What has me perplexed is that Captain Ed should have been one of those voices, yet he seems instead to have been caught up in the promotion of the event.

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Posted : August 17, 2015 8:40 pm
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Thank you for the post.
Excellent article.

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Posted : August 17, 2015 9:29 pm
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That article makes a lot of assumptions.

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Posted : August 18, 2015 12:54 am
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Thanks for the link to the excellent article SunnyCaribe.

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Posted : August 18, 2015 4:01 am
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I wondered about Capt. Ed as well. After reading many posts on several SCUBA chat boards it seems he should have stepped up and not allowed this dive.

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Posted : August 18, 2015 9:02 am
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ultimately it was dr garmans choice. i doubt anyone could have stopped him. no sense putting the blame elsewhere

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Posted : August 18, 2015 10:30 am
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Thank you for posting, SunnyCaribe - an excellent article.

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Posted : August 18, 2015 10:39 am
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I am not blaming anyone, simply making a statement.

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Posted : August 18, 2015 1:22 pm
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The article puts things in perspective, IMO.

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Posted : August 18, 2015 1:30 pm
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Condolences to his family.

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Posted : August 18, 2015 1:32 pm
speee1dy
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oldie1, not saying you-just in general from all i have read. the blame is being put on many people

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Posted : August 18, 2015 1:41 pm
Alana33
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Vi Consortium says they recovered his body this morning but not much else.

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Posted : August 18, 2015 6:57 pm
speee1dy
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i just saw that

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Posted : August 18, 2015 7:59 pm
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That article lambasts the St. Croix deep diving community pretty harshly. Sadly, he writer is correct. This was foolish machismo by a person who had only been diving for four years. Rest in peace, Doc.

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Posted : August 18, 2015 9:02 pm
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Well Monogram, now we know how you feel about all extreme sports.

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Posted : August 18, 2015 9:04 pm
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Well Monogram, now we know how you feel about all extreme sports.

Love me some extreme sports. Just think they should be left to the experts, not four-year hobbyists. St. Croix Scuba's decision to let this man attempt this borders on criminal. Not sure why the V.I. attracts such lawless nuts (not Dr. Garman, but his "yahoo" encouragers). The dive has been described by the scuba community as darn-near suicidal.

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Posted : August 18, 2015 10:21 pm
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I have to agree with the article that Suunycaribe posted regarding the training regimen that Dr. Garman subjected himself to. With such a dangerous goal in mind, more training, more knowledge, more actual experience at depths over and over and more expertise may have very well prevented such a tragic result.

That's not to say that I don't feel for his wife and son/family/friends, etc , who apparently expected him to emerge, triumphant.
It's very tragic all around.

Wonder what his life insurance company will have to say?

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Posted : August 18, 2015 10:54 pm
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SunnyCaribe - great article. St X, what assumptions do you see in the article? As a 30 year diver and instructor, I think it was spot on.

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Posted : August 18, 2015 11:06 pm
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SunnyCaribe - great article. St X, what assumptions do you see in the article? As a 30 year diver and instructor, I think it was spot on.

That article came out the day after the accident. The only known fact is that Dr Garman didn't come up, yet this author presumes to know the attitudes of the support team, the amount of consultation, collaboration, training, etc.
The only thing that rings true to me is that there is no place for ego in diving.
But this wasn't just diving. This was an attempt at a world record, and that does necessitate a bit of ego.
I also think that this guy has his own agenda, trying to get his name out into the world and established as an expert. At the end he states something like- I've never been deeper than (whatever) and I don't ever plan to. That's great! He knows his limits. That doesn't make everyone else an idiot for pushing beyond the author's comfort zone.
If you notice, aside from the announcement from S.C.U.B.A., you haven't heard much from any of the people involved. I suspect they are waiting for actual facts to come forward.
Personally, I had high hopes for Dr Garman.
I hope he is at peace.

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Posted : August 19, 2015 11:20 am
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I had high hopes for Dr. Garman's adventure too. But I think there's a lot of details missing from this story and few are talking. I wonder if he had a video or still camera with him and what that details that might yield. Didn't he have some sort of communication hook up with the support crew on the surface? Was no one recording this event? Hmmmm.

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Posted : August 19, 2015 11:26 am
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I had high hopes for Dr. Garman's adventure too. But I think there's a lot of details missing from this story and few are talking. I wonder if he had a video or still camera with him and what that details that might yield. Didn't he have some sort of communication hook up with the support crew on the surface? Was no one recording this event? Hmmmm.

If you read the Source article, this is all addressed with the issue at this moment being recovery of the instrumentation.

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Posted : August 19, 2015 11:35 am
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I had high hopes for Dr. Garman's adventure too. But I think there's a lot of details missing from this story and few are talking. I wonder if he had a video or still camera with him and what that details that might yield. Didn't he have some sort of communication hook up with the support crew on the surface? Was no one recording this event? Hmmmm.

If someone was recording the event, do you really think you would have access to it right now?! This is the kind of bizarre innuendo that i can't comprehend.

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Posted : August 19, 2015 11:57 am
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The police apparently recovered the body according to the article I read so would imagine that any recording equipment Dr. Garman may have had with him would, presumably, be in their custody.

I don't know if in this type of situation, (death by misadventure?) would require an autopsy.

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Posted : August 19, 2015 12:04 pm
SunnyCaribe
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I had high hopes for Dr. Garman's adventure too.

Then you, like Dr. Garman and many others, do not understand the physics and physiology involved in such an undertaking.

But I think there's a lot of details missing from this story and few are talking.

The picture is coming into focus amazingly quickly, despite the ridiculous stories being disseminated by viconsortium, the virgin islands free press (WhateverTF that is), to a lesser extent the source, and the daily news.

And yes, people are talking quite a lot, even people who know what they are talking about. You simply need to find them and listen.

I wonder if he had a video or still camera with him and what that details that might yield.

As has been said many times, yes he had a special gopro with him. Hopefully it will yield useful details from the 3 dive computers on his arm.

Didn't he have some sort of communication hook up with the support crew on the surface?

He was attempting this dive ON SCUBA, which means that he had a regulator in his mouth. Communication is possible with decompression divers who use hard-hats, but then the record for decompression diving is well beyond what Garman was attempting.

Was no one recording this event?

What?

Hmmmm.

I get that not everyone is familiar with diving, but really, using a conspiracy theory to plug the gaps in your knowledge ends up making you look foolish, and only puts you in company with other fools. There is a lot of thoughtful discussion by experienced and knowledgeable people to be found on the links in this thread.

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Posted : August 19, 2015 1:43 pm
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