POTUS Overreach on Immigation  

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gonetropo
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Seems as though the 'Emperor in Chief' is going to cast a constitutionally illegal shadow on the country tonight and break ties with his African-American constituency, maybe for good.

For decades, the black vote in the United States almost uniformly has gone to Democrats.

How’s that working out?

Black unemployment is twice the national average, poverty rates are higher than before Democrats offered “help,” and the education system fails a disproportionate number of black children. That’s what 50-plus years of blind voting loyalty to Democrats has earned.
And, thanks to those same Democrats and the nation’s first black president, it’s about to get a lot worse.

The POTUS is set to legalize upwards of 5 million illegal aliens, with the dream of granting amnesty and citizenship to 6 million to 25 million more, based on estimates and chain migration. These aren’t Ph.D.s with seed capital ready to start tech companies; they’re low- and no-skilled workers with limited English skills ready to take any job available, especially entry-level jobs.

After decades of embracing Democrats on a national and local level, the black community is disproportionately poor and, therefore, a higher percentage of the Americans likely to be competing for those entry-level jobs.

The Supreme Court may have to rule on this once it gets its hands of the briefs and it could occur very soon. Our government was established as a constitutional democracy with distinct duties between the branches. Congress makes the laws and the POTUS enforces them. Seems as though we now have a dictatorship. Everyone should be outraged over this

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rotorhead
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People may not be illegal, but people who enter the country without going through the proper procedures are doing so illegally. They are breaking the law.

Every country has a right to control access to their borders. All of the Latin American countries do it. I have checked into Mexico and Panama with an interest in retiring there for a while. They both have very strict requirements as do the other Latin countries. Why shouldn't we be able to do the same? All countries have a right to screen immigrants before allowing them into the country.

They all require that you 1)Prove that you are not a criminal by making you submit a letter from your local police. 2)Prove that you have a means to support yourself without depending on their social services. 3)Prove that you are in good health and are not carrying a contagious disease. If you plan to work when you get there, you have to be willing to invest in a business to the tune of $100,000 or you have to be sponsored by a company in that country. Why shouldn't the US be able to do the same?

As for the cheap labor argument. You are preaching to the choir. The people who knowingly employ illegal immigrants are breaking the law as well and should be prosecuted. We have enough people who are US citizens and need jobs that we do not need to bring in more.

We learned from the Reagan amnesty program that if you give amnesty, even though you say that it is a one time thing, it simply encourages more to enter illegally. Besides the President can't change the law, all he can do is to refuse to enforce the law. He is simply deferring deportation. The next republican president simply rescinds the executive order and they are illegal and deported again.

You say that we have less immigration than the rest of the world. Is this really true? If you count the fact that we have over 1 million legal immigrants coming into the country each year in addition to the illegal ones, which no one knows how many for sure.

"Nearly 41 million immigrants lived in the United States in 2012—a historical numeric high for a country that has been a major destination for international migrants throughout its history. About 20 percent of all international migrants reside in the United States, which accounts for less than 5 percent of the world’s population."
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states

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Alana33
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As Spartygrad95 quoted:

"The xenophobic tendencies lately I am seeing are saddening to me. This is what our nation used to stand for:"

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

How many of you complaining actually have ancestors that originated in the Americas? Hate to break it to you but WE are not indigenous. Our ancestors all came from somewhere else looking for a new life, freedom and opportunities. That's what the Statue of Liberty stands for. If you don't like it, move to another country.

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rotorhead
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Wow! Why is it if you support immigration but not illegal immigration that you are xenophobic? Do you think that we should do away with immigration laws altogether?

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gonetropo
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There is certainly a group that believes that there should be NO borders. Let's just all move around from place to place whenever we want. Right!

No borders, no rules, no responsibility, no accountability, free healthcare, free education, EBT cards, and now free underwear for our recent, should I dare to say ILLEGAL immigrants. Just come on in and the rest of us will support them. What a splendid idea this is! And we wonder why our infrastructure is falling apart and we have $18T in debt and a real 12% unemployment rate with the lowest labor participation ever. .

So no borders means no meaningful method to collect taxes. We are all doomed!

We have a home in Uruguay and it takes 3 years to become a resident and 5 years to become a citizen. Police reports, income reports, tax returns, etc. need to all be submitted to the Immigration Agency during an interview. They don't want a bunch of people living on the rest of their hard working citizens. You can stay there for 90 days and then they come looking for you. They have laws and they actually enforce them.

Wow, what a novel idea this is.

I suppose Obama can unleash his biscuit eaters to blame all immigration woes on conservatives. But all the demagoguery can't change this, and all the race cards in all the race card decks in all of American politics can't change it.

It is a wrongheaded approach, especially since the president has stated for years that he couldn't act alone.

Should immigration be "fixed," as the president now so urgently demands?

Yes. But not by edict of a Boss. It should be hammered out, loudly, vigorously, painfully, but not by executive fiat.

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Spartygrad95
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There is certainly a group that believes that there should be NO borders. Let's just all move around from place to place whenever we want. Right!

No borders, no rules, no responsibility, no accountability, free healthcare, free education, EBT cards, and now free underwear for our recent, should I dare to say ILLEGAL immigrants. Just come on in and the rest of us will support them. What a splendid idea this is! And we wonder why our infrastructure is falling apart and we have $18T in debt and a real 12% unemployment rate with the lowest labor participation ever. .

So no borders means no meaningful method to collect taxes. We are all doomed!

First off the infrastructure is falling apart because govt officials find it not important to bomb people, bail out crooked Wall Street banksters and lower taxes on millionaires and billionaires than spend money on bridges and roads (which will lower the 12% real unemployment). Second if you think the 18T debt is from "handouts" well you need to go look at our expenditues again. I never said no borders.. but I would agree with free healthcare and school.. if they were ever brought to a vote (they wont because this is Merica.. not some stinkin commie eurotrash country)

We have a home in Uruguay and it takes 3 years to become a resident and 5 years to become a citizen. Police reports, income reports, tax returns, etc. need to all be submitted to the Immigration Agency during an interview. They don't want a bunch of people living on the rest of their hard working citizens. You can stay there for 90 days and then they come looking for you. They have laws and they actually enforce them.

Wow, what a novel idea this is.

I suppose Obama can unleash his biscuit eaters to blame all immigration woes on conservatives. But all the demagoguery can't change this, and all the race cards in all the race card decks in all of American politics can't change it.

It is a wrongheaded approach, especially since the president has stated for years that he couldn't act alone.

Should immigration be "fixed," as the president now so urgently demands?

Yes. But not by edict of a Boss. It should be hammered out, loudly, vigorously, painfully, but not by executive fiat.

Racism is dead. SCOTUS declared our so... also money is speech and corporations are people. Yay

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