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Alana33
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watruw8ing4
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If you want to rely on a document written 230 years ago by racist, sexist men with a quill pen and no idea of the future go for it. If you want to get your rights from antiquated documents you can go back a decade or so before and read the LIFE, liberty and pursuit of happiness from Declaration of Independence. Because someone isn't Fortunate enough to be a pawn in the for profit insurance scam should not preclude them from living.

So many logical fallacies...

I have to go find a safe space, this college rhetoric (I'm pretty sure that's where they teach this nonsensical thinking) is triggering me.

Maybe they teach it in college? I was MIA except midterms and finals. 3.66 GPA too. Tells you all about "higher learning". It does not take away from the fact, that based on precedence interpreting the "general welfare" clause, that if the cowardly congress, that is bought by special interests like insurance co., would pass universal healthcare, it would be ruled constitutional.

Legal precedence for the USA starts with the Constitution. When the Declaration of Independence was written, we weren't even a country. Just a handful of states who came together to get out from under England. Put it this way - when was the last time SCOTUS ruled on something using the Declaration as argument? They've never used the Articles of Confederation as precedent either.

Maybe you should have attended class more often. This is basic high school stuff, so that might not have helped, though.

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Spartygrad95
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The general,welfare clause is the constitution. I think I went enough since I remember Article 1 Section 8.

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If you want to rely on a document written 230 years ago by racist, sexist men with a quill pen and no idea of the future go for it. If you want to get your rights from antiquated documents you can go back a decade or so before and read the LIFE, liberty and pursuit of happiness from Declaration of Independence. Because someone isn't Fortunate enough to be a pawn in the for profit insurance scam should not preclude them from living.

So many logical fallacies...

I have to go find a safe space, this college rhetoric (I'm pretty sure that's where they teach this nonsensical thinking) is triggering me.

Maybe they teach it in college? I was MIA except midterms and finals. 3.66 GPA too. Tells you all about "higher learning". It does not take away from the fact, that based on precedence interpreting the "general welfare" clause, that if the cowardly congress, that is bought by special interests like insurance co., would pass universal healthcare, it would be ruled constitutional.

Legal precedence for the USA starts with the Constitution. When the Declaration of Independence was written, we weren't even a country. Just a handful of states who came together to get out from under England. Put it this way - when was the last time SCOTUS ruled on something using the Declaration as argument? They've never used the Articles of Confederation as precedent either.

Maybe you should have attended class more often. This is basic high school stuff, so that might not have helped, though.

Snark fail

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watruw8ing4
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The general,welfare clause is the constitution. I think I went enough since I remember Article 1 Section 8.

I was responding to your earlier post that referenced the Declaration of Independence as justification, before you switched your argument over to the Preamble, which I missed. In using the Declaration argument at all, my snark holds up just fine.

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Spartygrad95
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There are multiple justifications for health care as a right, just because it isn't specifically spelled out. The Declaration of Independence is the very basis of WHY we exist. Even if it holds no legal value, it's purpose and words have meaning and are what shaped our constitution,

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There are multiple justifications for health care as a right, just because it isn't specifically spelled out. The Declaration of Independence is the very basis of WHY we exist. Even if it holds no legal value, it's purpose and words have meaning and are what shaped our constitution,

You never, EVER have a "right" to other peoples labor.

so unless healthcare is laying on the ground; I don't agree with your assertion... that fact alone undercuts any historical reference, we got rid of slavery, we won't be bringing it back (unless it's clothing manufacturing... we seem to be ok with that now).

does it need to be fixed? Yeah, certainly... but the "fixing" is less regulation, not more.

I perform "vet" duties with my wife on this island, as much as we can with resources that AREN'T prohibited from us (yeah, I cannot order my own tetanus shots because... why??) I'd do more if I could, but my hands are tied due to regulations... I'd do the same for humans too if I could, I can put in IV's, stitch, most basic issues that are non-serious trauma related (Thanks US army..)... Think there wouldn't be humans helping humans... something like what we do with horses? (lots of precedence for this... its definitely a rhetorical question).

less federal government in health care will help health care... just like any issue where the federal government is overly involved that is NOT related to keeping the population safe from persons, groups, corporations or foreign influence that would harm us.

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(tu)(tu)(tu)

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