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noOne
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July 21, 2014 6:49 pm  

For an inside look at crime on the islands, check out this thread: https://www.vimovingcenter.com/talk/read.php?7,224389


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July 21, 2014 7:00 pm  

i have only been away for a few hours and wow, native son, if the op had not asked a question, it would not have been answered. thats all. not trying to start a war with you, no need for ignorance. yeah, i must be a child for stating the truth-which i guess is not to your liking.

i do consider it to be downplayed when people like nativeson say its not that bad,

vicanuk, good for you, i can say the same. and i have never said i was afraid, i have always mentioned my husband as being more cautious. i am not one to be afraid of people.

when asked i tell my stories and those of people i know. the op ASKED about the crime.

and ot, if the murder rate is higher here than the mainland, than yes you are more likely to be a victim of crime here.

do you want people to be lied to and say oh, we never have crime. nativeson, you know how the crime threads go, so if you dont like the truth dont read them


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July 21, 2014 7:05 pm  

and for people to act like crime does not happen does nothing to fix the problems.


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July 21, 2014 7:09 pm  

and for people to act like crime does not happen does nothing to fix the problems.

EXACTLY.

All of the news articles I have clipped here I have experienced as crime on the criminal side. I have reformed. I have not been in trouble for almost 25 years, more than half my life, since I left the USVI.


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July 21, 2014 7:11 pm  

Is that an argument with a close friend or family member, or a complete stranger?

Whatever, my book of statistics says that if I don't get in an argument with anyone, I have a 100% chance of not dying because of an argument.

I already have a 100% chance of not dying getting ripped off during a drug buy.


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July 21, 2014 7:14 pm  

Whatever, my book of statistics says that if I don't get in an argument with anyone, I have a 100% chance of not dying because of an argument.

Funny, it seems to me you are in an argument with me right now...


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July 21, 2014 7:23 pm  

Whatever, my book of statistics says that if I don't get in an argument with anyone, I have a 100% chance of not dying because of an argument.

Funny, it seems to me you are in an argument with me right now...

bang!!!!bang!!!!bang!!!!


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July 21, 2014 8:11 pm  

cruzaniron, lol


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July 21, 2014 8:59 pm  

thank you noone


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July 21, 2014 9:27 pm  

...not many places in the world have more than one mass murder???? You're kidding. right?

Name one.


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July 21, 2014 9:36 pm  

...not many places in the world have more than one mass murder???? You're kidding. right?

Name one.

Good grief, surely you jest.


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July 21, 2014 11:03 pm  

I'm not talking about war or genocide or governments extermination of citizens; we're talking about mass murders along the lines of postal or school or business shooters, etc. with at most a few killers involved.

Under those guidelines, name one place that has had more than one mass murder.

I'll wait.


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July 22, 2014 12:33 pm  

Venezuela, Brazil, Uganda, Colombia, China, India, France, Spain, Philippines, Malaysia, South Korea, Afghanistan, Germany, Israel, South Africa, Thailand, Laos, Canada, and that is 7 seconds of searching Wikipedia.

It would be nice if we could have threads about things like this that don't turn into a complete *cough* trainwreck.


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July 22, 2014 1:10 pm  

Re-read my last message, and on top of it you're naming entire countries. I should have used rampage-killers instead of mass murderers.


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July 22, 2014 1:18 pm  

Oh, I did.

"we're talking about mass murders along the lines of postal or school or business shooters, etc. with at most a few killers involved."

I'll specify a little more:

There were school massacres in Germany in 2002, 2009, and 1964. China in 2006 and 2010. If you add workplace massacres and political, religious, or racial massacres you add basically the rest of my list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers


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July 22, 2014 1:56 pm  

Ok you're still naming whole countries - why stop there? Just consider the World one large community then.

Since you want to talk about school massacres and countries, since 2000 the US almost beats the entire civilized World out as a whole:

How school killings in the US stack up against 36 other countries put together

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The results are above. The number of such incidents in the US was only one less than in all the other 36 countries put together. In 13 of those countries there were no incidents at all, either actual or attempted.

Going back to 1983 on, there have been 61 mass shootings in the US. Here are two facts about mass murder in the US:

Twelve facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States

1. Shooting sprees are not rare in the United States.

Mother Jones has tracked and mapped every shooting spree in the last three decades. "Since 1982, there have been at least 61 mass murders carried out with firearms across the country, with the killings unfolding in 30 states from Massachusetts to Hawaii," they found. And in most cases, the killers had obtained their weapons legally

2. 15 of the 25 worst mass shootings in the last 50 years took place in the United States.

Time has the full list here. In second place is Finland, with two entries.

This is getting off track. The point is that the USVI is right there in the list with a mass shooting. I am only writing about it because Native Son keeps bringing up mass murders in the US as being something not found in the USVI.


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July 22, 2014 3:46 pm  

I agree with Native Son as well. Also If I take out the things here that don't effect me because of my social habits and how I live my life, I certainly feel at least as safe as where I lived in the states. But its certainly true, it happens here. I think that if you took areas of the states and drew a boundary around 110,000 people you could find areas with much more crime than here. When you take a place like Detroit or New Orleans and many others and average them in with an entire state or country of 300 million people it looks a lot different. If you average the crime statistics of the USVI in with the entire state of Florida it wouldn't change there numbers much.


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July 22, 2014 4:01 pm  

yup. stx really safe, everyone exaggerates the violence. let's see---lower love slaying + 3 injured monday afternoon 3.25 p.m----shooting at lorraine village sunday and the best yet----police responding to report of gunfire sunday came under heavy gunfire and had to flee the area on foot after the gunfire disabled their patrol car, NOBODY ARRESTED!!!!


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July 22, 2014 4:08 pm  

I think that if you took areas of the states and drew a boundary around 110,000 people you could find areas with much more crime than here.

That's the whole point here, if you do look at cities with the same population as the USVI, 110k approximately, the statistics are FAR lower.

When you take a place like Detroit or New Orleans and many others and average them in with an entire state or country of 300 million people it looks a lot different. If you average the crime statistics of the USVI in with the entire state of Florida it wouldn't change there numbers much.

OK, since you asked, according to wikipedia, Detroit in 2012 had 56.6 murders per 100,000 and they are not being averaged for the state. If they were averaged in, they would be far lower. Detroit is the absolute worst in the country... wait for it... except for the USVI, which has the size of a small city, and had 60.0 murders per 100,000 in 2010.


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July 22, 2014 4:34 pm  

NoOne, you're on another roll which best belongs on the Coconut Forum. Good grief, you were a child when you lived here and all the information you've gained since then is from newspaper reports and primarily disgruntled former residents.

I have absolutely no compunction saying I've been very much affected by violent crime in my 30 years here - twice in 30 years and I don't exactly live like a hermit nor cower behind barred doors and windows, fearful of setting foot outside after dark. Spreading ridiculously embellished negatives under the guise of "helpful information" serves no purpose and, with all due respect, you need to shut up or set up your soapbox elsewhere.


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July 22, 2014 5:13 pm  

Good grief, you were a child when you lived here and all the information you've gained since then is from newspaper reports and primarily disgruntled former residents.

Not true, i grew from a child to an adult there. I still visit regularly, and have MANY close friends still living on the islands and off, who regularly tell me the "news".

What here is not on topic about the USVI?

Spreading ridiculously embellished negatives under the guise of "helpful information" serves no purpose and, with all due respect, you need to shut up or set up your soapbox elsewhere.

I won't go away despite your fantasies, hun.

What here is embellished? I have quoted sources for everything i have written!


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July 22, 2014 5:19 pm  

Man, I'm not spending my island time worrying about all that nonsense.

I've never experienced anything even remotely serious enough to be concerned about in all the years I've been here.


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July 22, 2014 5:22 pm  

I have something to add. You, OldTart, are the callous one. You say you had a long time patron of your restaurant shot to death at your restaurant, and claim to suffer pain because of it, and yet you do not want any change to the islands, and want to see this continue.


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July 22, 2014 5:27 pm  

I have something to add. You, OldTart, are the callous one. You say you had a long time patron of your restaurant shot to death at your restaurant, and claim to suffer pain because of it, and yet you do not want any change to the islands, and want to see this continue.

Even for you, that's a totally unacceptable and repugnant, if not revolting ,retort.


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July 22, 2014 6:07 pm  

ops


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