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STXjill
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It's a sad time with Hovensa closing, and hard to know what to expect. I'm very curious, who is staying and who's leaving? We're gonna stay for as long as we can, we love living here ... What about you?

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rmb2830
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"have seen much worse..." not recently, I would think. Perhaps in the aftermath of the fountain valley incident...but I can't recall or think of any time since, when the economic situation on stx was as difficult as it may become in the next months/year. Not even so much the immediate impact of thet jobs lost, but the cumulative and trickle-down effect...we're hoping it won't be as bad as we are thinking; we'd be happy to be proven wrong.

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"have seen much worse..." not recently, I would think. Perhaps in the aftermath of the fountain valley incident...but I can't recall or think of any time since, when the economic situation on stx was as difficult as it may become in the next months/year. Not even so much the immediate impact of thet jobs lost, but the cumulative and trickle-down effect...we're hoping it won't be as bad as we are thinking; we'd be happy to be proven wrong.

I certainly wouldn't discount the consequences of and recovery from Hugo and Marilyn.

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Neil
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On behalf of the 40,000 or so Crucians who call this place home and have seen much worse:

WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

To those of you who are leaving:

Happy trails. Find a place to make your stand and take it easy.

Jah, I appreciate your spunk.
But I also had to wince at the double meaning of "We are not going anywhere".

I feel sorry for many of my Crucian friends and acquaintances who feel they are "not going anywhere" on island and need to move.

Some of you are already making plans to join family and friends who live in the states. This is not by choice. This is because your govt failed you, because of the times, and because you cannot find work in your profession without moving off island.

At UVI I met many young Crucians who planned on moving to the states after they graduated. This was before the Hovensa closing. It's a brain drain for sure and I expect the current situation will only accelerate that.

One native Crucian friend of mine moved to the states a few years ago, and most of his family has since joined him, including his aged mother who needs dialysis and his younger sister who is an RN and didn't like working at JFL in her specialty. He travels back to the island to check on their shuttered family home and visit relatives. He hopes one day to retire back there. He works in IT and is a UVI grad and couldn't find work on the island after graduation --years ago. He married a statesider and she can't stand the island. Says she feels like an outsider there and "likes air-conditioning." His brother did two years at UVI, still lives on island, and puts tires on cars for a living.

I wonder if there are any current STATS somewhere about emigration from the island.
I wonder if there will be any stats showing how many good paying jobs have been or will be lost.

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OldTart
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Some of you are already making plans to join family and friends who live in the states. This is not by choice. This is because your govt failed you, because of the times, and because you cannot find work in your profession without moving off island.

At UVI I met many young Crucians who planned on moving to the states after they graduated. This was before the Hovensa closing. It's a brain drain for sure and I expect the current situation will only accelerate that.

Unfortunately it's been thus for many, many years and is nothing new.

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JahRustyFerrari
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On behalf of the 40,000 or so Crucians who call this place home and have seen much worse:

WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

To those of you who are leaving:

Happy trails. Find a place to make your stand and take it easy.

Jah, I appreciate your spunk.
But I also had to wince at the double meaning of "We are not going anywhere".

I feel sorry for many of my Crucian friends and acquaintances who feel they are "not going anywhere" on island and need to move.

Some of you are already making plans to join family and friends who live in the states. This is not by choice. This is because your govt failed you, because of the times, and because you cannot find work in your profession without moving off island.

At UVI I met many young Crucians who planned on moving to the states after they graduated. This was before the Hovensa closing. It's a brain drain for sure and I expect the current situation will only accelerate that.

One native Crucian friend of mine moved to the states a few years ago, and most of his family has since joined him, including his aged mother who needs dialysis and his younger sister who is an RN and didn't like working at JFL in her specialty. He travels back to the island to check on their shuttered family home and visit relatives. He hopes one day to retire back there. He works in IT and is a UVI grad and couldn't find work on the island after graduation --years ago. He married a statesider and she can't stand the island. Says she feels like an outsider there and "likes air-conditioning." His brother did two years at UVI, still lives on island, and puts tires on cars for a living.

I wonder if there are any current STATS somewhere about emigration from the island.
I wonder if there will be any stats showing how many good paying jobs have been or will be lost.

Thanks, you make some excellent points.

We're not going anywhere, physically. Mentally is a different story. We see abundant opportunities for a revitalized St. Croix that is not dependent on one monolithic entity. We thank HESS/HOVENSA for all they've done, but we have moved on...it is a different time and place. We will not desert St. Croix, like so many lovers who used her and ran.

The unemployment rate for African-Americans is twice the national average. There are jobs to be had, sure, but there are also thousands of college-educated people on the US mainland who are working as tire-changers and WalMart greeters.

It is rough everywhere, thanks to the relocation of many American enterprises to China and India (does Made In China ring a bell?)
If you shop at WalMart you should not complain about the economy...sorry if that sounds harsh. The economic situation we are facing is a direct result of trade policies which benefit the elite 1%, and those of us who can only complain about such creature comforts as "air conditioning" are aiding and abetting our own destruction.

Two years at UVI will not get you anywhere in IT...you need industry certification from Cisco and Microsoft, for starters. There are jobs in software development for people with the proper credentials. If your friend wants to get into software development he needs a four-year degree and experience in Microsoft technologies such as .NET, and also Java, HTML5, SQL, JavaScript(for starters). If he doesn't want to do software, he needs to get a four-year degree AND industry certification from Cisco and Microsoft. Otherwise, he qualifies for tire-changing in this economy. He has to compete with thousands of well-qualified graduates from top-notch IT schools in India. It is a global economy. HOVENSA is closing because, for one thing, the Chinese are doing it better, cheaper, faster.

Like I said, find a place to make your stand and take it easy...we're in for a rough ride, and this is where I belong.

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