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dntw8up
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Troy,

I'm sorry what I said in that thread hurt your feelings. I did not remember the exchange, so I looked it up; is this December 2007 discussion the one that bothers you?

https://www.vimovingcenter.com/talk/read.php?4,74406,74406#msg-74406

trw: "who and what are the "frenchies" on STT, i heard yesterday that they are white locals and can be quite obstinate, i'm assuming they were here before the Danes and the plantation system, i don't think we have any on STX"

dntw8up: "Frenchies trace their genealogy to French speaking Caribbean islands, like St. Barts. Many are white, just as many on St. Barts are white. Generalizing character traits like "obstinate" to a group of people like Frenchies makes about as much sense as claiming people who use the screen name trw tend to be quite dim."

I don't think it's fair to interpret my response to your query as "jumping all over you" and calling you "stupid and offensive". I answered your question -- who and what frenchies are -- and objected to the rumor you heard and repeated on the forum, that they're "obstinate." I said that rumor was silly, as silly as saying people with your screen name are dim. I had hoped that what you would take away from my remark was that it is wrong to stereotype frenchies as obstinate, just as it is wrong to stereotype you as dim. I didn't intend my words to hurt, only to make you aware of the mean spiritedness of stereotypes. And if you read the entire thread from December '07, you will see that Onika is the one who suggested that using the term "frenchies" is "offensive," and there is a bit of intelligent discussion about that.

Stereotypes dismiss and oppress people, and though I am not of French descent, I got defensive, much as I did when Dan Gilbride was attacked on this forum. In that thread posters were decrying the idea of a homosexual male counseling local youth, implying gays are predisposed to pedophilia and other nonsense. I'm sure you can find that thread if it interests you. It was through that thread that Sam and I began exchanging email.

Again, I did not know I upset you, and if I had I would have tried to resolve the issue immediately. I wish this hadn't bothered you for so long, but I hope you will forgive my failure to express myself clearly in that post.

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Posted : July 7, 2009 11:29 pm
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http://www.globalgayz.com/country/Iran/view/IRN/gay-iran

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Topic starter Posted : July 8, 2009 1:30 am
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oh,dntw8tp, shut up dude you carry on too much sometimes, i like the fact that you are the history guy and i really want to know the origins of names down here like i siad a few months ago the "pickering family owned lavallee but now it's all williams but the pickering dudes first name was william so i want to know if there's a connection

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Topic starter Posted : July 8, 2009 2:00 am
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ok then, but I'm more of a dudette 😉

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Posted : July 8, 2009 2:28 am
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ewwwwww

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Topic starter Posted : July 8, 2009 4:24 am
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The Huffington Post
Tuesday, February 24, 2009

A Letter to Our President

By Harvey Fierstein

Dear President Obama,

While fighting for the abolition of slavery, one politician qualified his stance, "I have never been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people."

That politician was Abraham Lincoln. Obviously time and experience brought Mr. Lincoln to what would have been called the extremist view; that freedom cannot be compromised just to appease the majority.

And so he made a grander gesture reminding us of "...a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal". Passing a law would change the course of slavery, but those words changed the course of the history.

Mr Obama, I have heard you speak eloquently in favor of inclusion for gays and lesbians. But then you sternly state your opposition to marriage rights. It leaves me wondering if you are straining to be politic or, if like Lincoln, your views still need maturing.

Days after your historic election an aide of yours told me that you plan to do away with the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell." I applaud the gesture. But don't kid yourself. Redefining that policy will do little to end discrimination against us.

With or without the Pentagon's permission gays and lesbians have been serving in the military since the birth of this nation.

We may have served in silence.

We may have fought in secret.

But a complete ban of gays did not stop us from fighting and dying for our country.

Abolishing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" won't bring us into the military or end discrimination against us.

Legalizing gay adoption won't end discrimination against our children in the playground.

Even legalizing gay marriage won't bring about the whole cloth change our nation needs.

When you, leader of the free world, accept, tolerate and even invite bigots into your fold changing a policy is not enough.

In any case, we don't need you to fight our small battles for us.

We will eventually win these on our own. Property matters, adoption rights, and even gay marriage will be won in courts of law as they are now being won in courts of public opinion.

Given time, our constitution, and the American values of fair play and justice, will prevail. We will win equal rights.

But what only you can give us is the grand gesture.

Mr. President, we need you to be more than another reasonable voice.

We need you to raise yourself up out of the mire of majority opinion.

We need you to rise above the daily politics of compromise.

We need you to mount that bully pulpit our blood, sweat and tears have erected, and speak to the greater ideal.

America needs to hear you say, "We will no longer tolerate the oppression of our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, mothers and fathers, aunts and uncles. They are our family. They are we and we are they."

The nation needs to hear you say, "We must prove ourselves worthy of the title Americans; protectors of the weak, standard bearers of freedom, and guarantors of equal rights for all."

Mr President, history will record the day you say, "From this day forward no amendment, statute or law that seeks to deny full rights of citizenship on the basis of sexual preference will be tolerated. Hatred and bigotry are here forth banished to the dark recesses of small minds.

Let the Pledge of Allegiance light our way to tomorrow as "...one nation, indivisible, with freedom and justice for all.'"

That, dear son of Lincoln, is the grand gesture we need from you.

We need a hero, and you have been elected.

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Topic starter Posted : July 8, 2009 2:37 pm
dntw8up
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"ewwwwww"

HA! Last time a male made that remark about my gender I was in third grade and he thought I might give him cooties! 😀

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Posted : July 8, 2009 9:11 pm
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LOL! Some little boys never grow up! 🙂

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Posted : July 8, 2009 11:11 pm
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hahahahahahaha i really need to wear my glasses,all this time i thought you were a guy,all i see in the pic of you is a yellow tank top which when i squint real hard is a blouse,LOLOLOLOL

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Topic starter Posted : July 9, 2009 9:34 am
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the only reason i figured out that Trade was female was because in one of her posts she talked about Chico's over on stt so i figured she was a female or a drag queen with good taste and we all know there's no such thing as a tasteful drag queen so she had to be a real female

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Topic starter Posted : July 9, 2009 7:44 pm
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I spent much of my teens in the Castro (SF), and I have seen some very attractive drag queens, but I suppose taste isn't the same thing as attractiveness. 😉

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Posted : July 9, 2009 9:34 pm
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lol i left north dakota when i was 20 and moved to denver,my closest friend there was a black drag queen hooker by the name of chocolate, she was so sweet but had no taste, physically she was flawless but she just did'nt get it as far as clothing, then i went back to ND and then years later down to mpls and i worked at a drag bar with showgirls and lol these women were so garish, funny and bitchy as hell but garish,lol and here's me no desire at all to put on a dress,lusting after all the jeans and tshirt straight boys that lusted after the drag queens,god it was hilariuos

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Topic starter Posted : July 9, 2009 9:41 pm
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EWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted : July 10, 2009 11:47 am
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Human Rights Prof. Opposes Gay Rights
By Julie Bolcer
Human Rights Prof. Opposes Gay Rights

A visiting human rights professor scheduled to teach at NYU School of Law this fall vigorously opposes LGBT rights, according to Inside Higher Ed . Thio Li-ann (pictured) of the National University of Singapore will teach a course on "Human Rights in Asia," but her dedication to minority rights apparently does not extend to LGBT people.

As a nominated member of parliament in Singapore, the distinguished academic fought the repeal of a law that punished adults who had consensual gay sex with up to two years in prison. During the debate over the law, she compared anal sex to "shoving a straw up your nose to drink" in a speech documented here.

The group for NYU gay and lesbian law students, NYU Outlaw, issued a statement on Thursday calling on the top-ranked law school to condemn the antigay statements of Thio. However, NYU Outlaw pledged to engage the visiting professor in a dialogue in the fall rather than call for her removal. "The board thinks it best to fight Dr. Thio's offensive views not by silencing her but by engaging in a respectful and productive dialogue about the boundaries of human rights,” said NYU Outlaw.

In an e-mail interview with Inside Higher Ed, Thio questioned the idea of a "human right to sodomy” and rejected the “imperialism” of the international LGBT rights framework.

"I think certain Americans have to realize the fact that there are a diversity of views on the subject and it is not a settled matter; there is no universal norm and it is nothing short of moral imperialism to suggest there is,” Thio wrote. “Correct me if I am wrong, but there is no consensus on this even within the U.S. Supreme Court and American society at large, even post Lawrence v. Texas."

In the 2003 ruling, Supreme Court justices voted 6-3 to strike down antisodomy laws.

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Topic starter Posted : July 11, 2009 4:24 am
dntw8up
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But she's from Singapore. In Singapore it is illegal to chew gum or sing "offensive sporting team songs", and both of these serious crimes involve prison time! Given the overwhelming lack of freedom in Singapore, I wouldn't expect her to have any kind of reasonable perspective on homosexuality. I don't share her attitude, but I understand why she is narrow minded. And I think it's good for students at NYU, and perhaps eventually beneficial for students in Singapore, for her to come to NYC and participate in an exchange of ideas.

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Posted : July 11, 2009 4:46 am
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dnt inow that,i just thought it was an interesting article, i waited on the coolest black dyke today,trust me on this she identifies as a black dyke not a lesbian,just like me and thefag thing,and she goes to the pennsylvania brach of seton hall,she graduated from country day,lol one of the new gradutes is a friend of hers and a few years back she asked her mother if it was alright to have a sleepover with this woman,and how no one at country day likes her cause she a dyke,and the mother says are you planning to sleep with her and if you're not then this converstaion is moot because being gay is just fine. i asked her if the school had a rainbow society and she just laughed and said dude they're fu##ed up catholics,andi said well that explains it then,lol nothing worse than a repressed catholic

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Topic starter Posted : July 13, 2009 3:01 am
dntw8up
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"the pennsylvania brach of seton hall"

Do you mean Seton Hill, the catholic school that was a women's college until it went coed in 2002? If so, I lived nearby for nearly eight years and couldn't leave fast enough. Not only was the n word liberally bandied about, but the KKK was pretty active. Greensburg (where the school is located) is several hours drive from last week's country club pool racism incident, but PA has been riddled with racial problems for many years. I hope this isn't where your new acquaintance is enrolled, because I imagine the place would really suck the life out of her.

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Posted : July 13, 2009 3:31 am
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yup same place,dnt, now as our local historian i want to learn about slave names and where they came from

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Topic starter Posted : July 13, 2009 3:33 am
dntw8up
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I wish I could help you trw, but I'm not a local historian. The person who can answer all of your questions about slave names and their histories is Ronnie. He qualifies as a steward of local history, and I'm think he'd be happy to participate if you'd start a new thread about the subject. If you are interested in photos of old VI postcards, Ronnie has over 100 of them in albums on his facebook page here:

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Posted : July 13, 2009 3:46 am
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lol ronnie's a guy,oh now i'm truly dissallusioned,i gotta go to bed i worked 35 hours in 2 days and did nothing on sunday and i'm wiped out

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Topic starter Posted : July 13, 2009 3:49 am
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trw, you need to plan a trip to Connecticut they will fix you.

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Posted : July 13, 2009 4:02 pm
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yeah i saw that broad on tv carrying on, i really can't blame her for anything other than the fact that she should have sent that 16 year old kid to the nearest GLBT youth outreach center instead of making a fool of him,her and her church on global tv,once again religion has f**ked someone up

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Topic starter Posted : July 13, 2009 7:40 pm
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http://www.globalgayz.com/country/Jamaica/JAM

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Topic starter Posted : July 18, 2009 7:53 pm
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http://www.globalgayz.com/Continent/Caribbean

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Topic starter Posted : July 18, 2009 8:03 pm
dntw8up
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Jamaica is not the only Caribbean. It is not even the worst Caribbean offender.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory

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Posted : July 18, 2009 8:34 pm
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