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speee1dy
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did any body hear what these two said?? a bit surprised that jay-z would say racist remarks, know nothing about young jeezy. i think they are forgetting that barak is of mixed race. it was a very disrespectful thing for them to say especially young jeezy. actually i think 80% of black people have white blood in them. i was told about this rant last night. had not heard of it before. just wondering who else heard it and what you guys think

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Topic starter Posted : January 24, 2009 10:18 am
East Ender
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I think it was just one example of how the Left wishes to create a classless society. 😉

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Posted : January 24, 2009 3:31 pm
speee1dy
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not sure who you are refering about when you say the "left"

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Topic starter Posted : January 24, 2009 6:39 pm
jewelygirl
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I live in dc, have covered the inaguration coverage through and through, and have not heard any of what you are talking about.

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Posted : January 26, 2009 1:30 pm
speee1dy
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jewelygirl
my mom told me about it. they were at one of the balls and jeezy was saying how they got a n""""r in the house now i then checked online and found what was said. i think jeezy said more deragatory things than jay z you should be able to go to you tube and find it. i watch the news every day and never heard about it from those sources.

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Topic starter Posted : January 26, 2009 5:57 pm
MosquitoBaitt
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Why is the left soooo surprised when this crap happens?

Here is the link to "listen for yourself"

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/19/feel/

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Posted : January 26, 2009 8:07 pm
A Davis
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Those young men in the video speak for themselves and those who agree with them, but not for me. I am sure there are a lot of folks left, right and center who would say the same.

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Posted : January 27, 2009 12:01 am
jewelygirl
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Yeah - right wing patriarch Rush Limbaugh said he hopes the president fails. How's that for patriotism?

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Posted : January 27, 2009 1:41 pm
speee1dy
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did rush really say that. you should never hope for someones failure no matter who you are or who they are. by wishing for his failure does that mean he wishes for the usa's failure?

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Topic starter Posted : January 27, 2009 8:30 pm
MosquitoBaitt
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AGAIN, the left will always "switch" the subject, then take "another" thing out of context and throw it out...Rushs' statement was in reference to "Socialistic" programs that the Obama administration is trying to attempt to implement; universal health care, government bailouts and etc.

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Posted : January 27, 2009 9:04 pm
vicaptain
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At what point is this discussion considered off topic?

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Posted : January 27, 2009 9:18 pm
speee1dy
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mosquitobait
i had not even heard about any of that. it is good to know exactly what ws said.

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Topic starter Posted : January 28, 2009 11:03 am
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mosquitobait
i had not even heard about any of that. it is good to know exactly what ws said.

All Rush said was that he hopes that the socialistic programs fail, not Obama - he knows and says that we must hope that Obama is successful in his leadership role, but simply does not believe in the universal/socialistic policies. Of course, the media has edited his statement to make it sound exactly like "jewelrygirl" perceived...so, its not really her fault if she only heard a quick clip versus the actual statement. Now, let's forget about all this crap and move forward with "hope" and "change".

LOL!

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Posted : January 28, 2009 12:52 pm
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Mosquitobait: "AGAIN, the left will always "switch" the subject, then take "another" thing out of context and throw it out...Rushs' statement was in reference to "Socialistic" programs that the Obama administration is trying to attempt to implement; universal health care, government bailouts and etc."

Why do you feel that universal health care is such a terrible thing? With the current system unless you work for a company that offers health benefits, or can afford to pay for them yourself, you live your life knowing that at any moment you could be injured or get sick, and you will be in debt for the rest of your life. If you are able to get health insurance, great, or if you are living on welfare I think some help is provided, but what about the rest of us? Those of us who work hard to pay our bills, but there is simply not enough money left over at the end of the month to pay hundreds for health insurance. I have seen the suffering that this situation causes. How can you be so indifferent to the suffering of others?

As for government bailouts, wasn't that something that was started by Bush, and also became necessary because of the disaster that has been made of the economy?

No, I'm not some radical leftist/socialist. I was lucky to enjoy a comfortable upbringing, and knew nothing of these kind of problems until recent years. But that doesn't mean I don't care. Use your imagination. Wealth can be lost, jobs can be lost. Maybe one day you will be alone and sick, unable to see a Doctor because you have no way to pay. Or be injured and can't work, and now they are coming to repossess your house or car. These things are a reality in the USA.

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Posted : January 28, 2009 7:26 pm
MosquitoBaitt
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I do understand all you said, that doesn't mean the universal health care (universal being a code name for socialistic) is the answer. And what IS the answer? I have heard some good ideas, but not sure whats best all around, but using a system that does not work in any other country IS NOT THE ANSWER.

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Posted : January 28, 2009 9:34 pm
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From what I've heard Canada has a good health care system, and I believe France too. The NHS in the UK is still very good, even after Maggie Thatcher did a pretty good job at destroying it. She actually messed up quite a few things. The railways (formerly British Rail), were privatized with the idea that competition would be a good thing. She obviously didn't factor in greed and lack of cooperation. Now what once used to be one of the best railway systems in the world is a complete disaster.

I don't know why I'm talking politics because I was disillusioned with the subject long ago, I only really know how I feel about the Politicians individually. Obama seems to be sincere and intelligent. He is very popular in Europe with people from all backgrounds - I don't think I have ever known of such a popular Politician in my lifetime. I hope he can succeed in uniting people and bring some peace to the world. The economy is a serious problem, but living with the constant threat of terrorism would be even worse to me.

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Posted : January 28, 2009 10:38 pm
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Is popularity an important characteristic in a leader?

And when has there ever been "peace" in the world?

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Posted : January 29, 2009 12:10 am
Sabrina
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EE, I think popularity is important, because if someone is well-liked, the people are more likely to listen to him. If people of all classes/races/nationalities etc are interested in what he has to say, he has a much better chance of being an effective leader.

As for the "peace", I did say "some". Even I'm not that optimistic!

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Posted : January 29, 2009 12:32 am
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health care needs to be discussed. people are choosing between health care and food. there are so many people without health care. us for one. we looked into health insurance and it would cost us for two people about 700 a month. then you have the deductable. we both have pre existing conditions that health insurance would not cover. one of the new england states seems to have a great program where every one has to have health insurance. your premium is based on your income. dont remember which state or much about it. all of the countries that have socialized health care also offer the option of paying extra for insurance. i think thats what i heard. it is the working middle class that looses in this case. the rich can afford health care and the poor get health care.

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Topic starter Posted : January 29, 2009 10:58 am
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I think we need to reform the health care not have the govt provide universal health care. Do you know what kind of taxes people pay in countries like england and canada because of universal health care??? Most of the countries that have universal health care have major problems with their system as we have with ours. Like people not getting the surguries they need because the money's not there. If you think HMOs are strick just wait til the govt is running it. Right now people may not be able to afford it but if they go to the emergency room they will get treated. I've been without insurance I know how scarey it can be. But there is always a job out there that does provide it.

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Posted : January 29, 2009 12:26 pm
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So, the wealthy & those who have insurance from their jobs are OK.
Those that are poor receive free medical care (from the taxpayers).
And the rest of us are scre // ed?

Sounds like water the weeds, kill the vegetables, soon there will be only weeds & who is going to pay for those who are unable(or unwilling) to pay?

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Posted : January 29, 2009 1:00 pm
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Not the wealthy, it'll be the middle class that gets stuck with the bill. And I can ask the same question WHY do I have to pay for the poor? This is the one area where I agree with Bush, I think charity should come from the private sector, not the govt. We are already to much of a welfare nation. I've been poor, really poor. And I worked really hard to get an education and be able to get a decent job. Anyone can do it if they want it bad enough.

Anyone can get a job that provides insurance. Granted its tougher if you CHOOSE to live here but its still completely doable.

And before anyone calls me a Republican I'm not I'm Indepentant.

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Posted : January 29, 2009 1:14 pm
chefnoah
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I voted for Bobby and Whitney

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Posted : January 29, 2009 1:30 pm
speee1dy
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maybe anyone get a job that provides health care but if you work a minimum wage job can you really afford to pay the premiums. go bobby go whitney

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Topic starter Posted : January 29, 2009 4:05 pm
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Betty, I'm not sure if you are talking about income tax or VAT (the tax applied to goods that you buy). Income tax is the same as here, on a sliding scale based on income, the rate they deduct being roughly the same. National Insurance (Social Security) deductions include contributions towards your pension, unemployment, and government "sick pay". That means if you are off work sick and the company you work for doesn't pay sick time, the government will step in and pay you. VAT is very high. 17.5% although I think they were talking about lowering it to 15%. That is the tax included in the price of everything you buy - it is not added on after like in the USA. Things are definitely more expensive there.

The NHS is not as terrible as people seem to think - they have been spoiled so things seem bad now. If you have an emergency you will get hospital care (100% free). If you are ill and need to see a Doctor they will get you in quickly, based on the severity of your case, i.e. very ill - same day, an annoying but not dangerous allergy - next week. Doctor's visit is free, a small set fee is charged for prescriptions. I know people here who are paying fortunes for Health Insurance, and still have to wait two weeks to see a Doctor. The worst thing that I have heard about the NHS is that the quality of the care varies a bit, depending on the area you live in. No surprise good area = better care. I don't think there is a perfect system anywhere, but at least they don't have to live in fear.

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Posted : January 29, 2009 5:33 pm
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