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I moved to the first time ti St Thomas a year or so before Hurricane Louis. Shortly after I went to NY to wait out hurricane season. Devastating Louis hit a few days after I arrived in NY. The World Trade Centers were hit while I was there.

I had a good job offer while in NY, but chose to return to VI with no job prospects because I felt VI was not a valuable target like major U.S. cities.

My Jamaican friend was surprised that the legislature grounds on St Thomas are open to public. Not so in Jamaica according to her.

I chose to return to VI without job prospects because here I don't feel like a suspect, and mass shootings are not likely. I got so tired of emptying pockets, etc when entering buildings and signing in.

The VI has many issues, but terrorism violence is probably not an issue.

 
Posted : December 3, 2015 9:30 pm
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I have never once in my life worried about terrorism, not even on 9/12/2001, but to say terrorism is probably not an issue is a bit naive. Radical Islamists are recruiting across the Caribbean. That is a known fact. Terrorist organizations have a penchant for spectacular attacks. They have targeted tourist destination across North Africa in past. I'm still not worried but it is still a threat.

http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2015/03/us-military-concerned-isis-fighters-returning-caribbean-could-reach-Border/107421/

 
Posted : December 3, 2015 9:47 pm
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Don't give them any ideas.

 
Posted : December 4, 2015 12:38 am
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I had a good job offer while in NY, but chose to return to VI with no job prospects

Just brilliant.

 
Posted : December 4, 2015 1:13 am
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-terrorism-statistics-every-american-needs-to-hear/5382818

your chances are greater of being shot while living in the vi .

 
Posted : December 4, 2015 10:55 am
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and mass shootings same thing

 
Posted : December 4, 2015 10:56 am
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-terrorism-statistics-every-american-needs-to-hear/5382818

your chances are greater of being shot while living in the vi .

How does the article you linked support this hypothesis? Do you have a link to any study which supports it?

 
Posted : December 4, 2015 11:23 am
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Number of American civilians who died worldwide in terrorist attacks last year: 8 — Minimum number who died after being struck by lightning: 29. out of how many millions?

this was in the link. 2011 stats.

what was the murder rate that year for the islands? 48 people for a population of less than 150,000

that does kind of prove it

 
Posted : December 4, 2015 11:52 am
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I'd only be worried about terrorism if a "terrorism drill" was going on.

9/11: terror drill for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

The Madrid bombings: Terrorist drill happened the same day of the event

7/7 bombings: terror drill for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

Sandy Hook Elementary: terror drill (called "active shooter") for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

Boston Bombings: terror drill for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

Paris attacks: Terrorist drill happening same day as the event

San Bernardino: Terror drill happened days before (possibly was the same day as the event also... still too new)

So yeah, I'd say as long as there are no "terrorist drills" going on, you're pretty damn safe.

 
Posted : December 4, 2015 12:48 pm
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How about general knowledge? Why does it have to be published?

Oh wait. I'm being negative again and this doesn't happen either.

 
Posted : December 4, 2015 2:59 pm
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I'd only be worried about terrorism if a "terrorism drill" was going on.

9/11: terror drill for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

The Madrid bombings: Terrorist drill happened the same day of the event

7/7 bombings: terror drill for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

Sandy Hook Elementary: terror drill (called "active shooter") for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

Boston Bombings: terror drill for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

Paris attacks: Terrorist drill happening same day as the event

San Bernardino: Terror drill happened days before (possibly was the same day as the event also... still too new)

So yeah, I'd say as long as there are no "terrorist drills" going on, you're pretty damn safe.

The makers of "false flags" must be rolling in the dough..

 
Posted : December 4, 2015 3:38 pm
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I'd only be worried about terrorism if a "terrorism drill" was going on.

9/11: terror drill for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

The Madrid bombings: Terrorist drill happened the same day of the event

7/7 bombings: terror drill for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

Sandy Hook Elementary: terror drill (called "active shooter") for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

Boston Bombings: terror drill for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

Paris attacks: Terrorist drill happening same day as the event

San Bernardino: Terror drill happened days before (possibly was the same day as the event also... still too new)

So yeah, I'd say as long as there are no "terrorist drills" going on, you're pretty damn safe.

😉 https://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/08/12/terror-attacks-and-drills/

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 2:20 am
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😉 https://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/08/12/terror-attacks-and-drills/

That's the article I pulled those from 😉

the numbers don't lie, no matter what is written about them.

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 12:17 pm
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LF:

I don't follow your logic.

"I'd only be worried about terrorism if a "terrorism drill" was going on." LiquidFluoride

You use quotes around terrorism drill as if to suggest that there is something sinister in the coincidence of terrorism drills and terrorist attacks. However, Mr. Rothschild's article is aimed specifically at debunking such a conclusion:

"We also have to realize that for the few times drills and terror attacks coincided with each other, there have been countless other times that drills were conducted without incident or anything unusual happening. You just don’t hear about them because there’s no reason to. “Nothing happened” doesn’t make for much of a conspiracy, after all."

Personally, I'm grateful for all the efforts to increase preparedness. That there were times that drills and attacks overlapped, or occurred within days, hours, or close proximity of each other can only have been of benefit to those being attacked don't you think? The more civilians that know what to do the better. The more practiced our first responders the better.

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 1:20 pm
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LF:

I don't follow your logic.

All major terror attacks on western countries have happened at the same time as a drill, often times the drill was for the exact same scenario that actually happened.

Thus, if a terrorism drill is happening, is a good idea to be extra vigilant; It's just basic trend study.

That there were times that drills and attacks overlapped, or occurred within days, hours, or close proximity of each other can only have been of benefit to those being attacked don't you think? The more civilians that know what to do the better. The more practiced our first responders the better.

I'm a first responder, I go through many exercises every year, we do need the practice; but that has nothing to do with the above observed trend.

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 2:05 pm
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LF:

First, thank you for your service.

I don't know that "trend" is the correct word when a handful of attacks occur at or around the same time that a drill is going on - particularly when it is in another town, or across the country. It gives the impression that there is a tendency for the two to coincide. You gave seven examples of attacks that have occurred over the last +/-14 years. Compare those to the countless preparedness drills performed by armed forces, hospitals, schools, businesses, and government offices around the world and there is no trend. It would be a shame for people to alter there lives for unfounded fear of preparedness drills. If that happens the terrorists have won.

Conversely, I'd venture to say that with a data base of all terrorist attacks and preparedness drills around the world the random collisions of the two would make a conspiracy theorist's head explode. 😮

"Why is Santa an anagram for Satan? I mean, besides the fact that both have the same amounts of letters. Just consider the many other similarities between the two figures: both of them are red, both of them like to laugh, both of them give presents to children and both of them are kings of an ungodly underworld of unspeakable horror and suffering. Coincidence? I THINK NOT." - Sam Logan

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 3:32 pm
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Conversely, I'd venture to say that with a data base of all terrorist attacks and preparedness drills around the world the random collisions of the two would make a conspiracy theorist's head explode.

I would completely agree with you if you would acknowledge that not only did these drills happen the same day in the same local area as the events, but the drill scenarios were exactly the same as the events that happened.

I can expand the list past 7 as well, those are just more commonly known events.

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 4:04 pm
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"...not only did these drills happen the same day in the same local area as the events, but the drill scenarios were exactly the same as the events that happened."

That's a bit of a stretch, and not supported by Rothschild's article. Many of the drills included multiple scenarios, one or more of which had similarities to actual attacks. Some were the same day, some a day or more before and some scheduled for days after. As Rothschild says:

"When confronted with a series of incidents like this, it’s important to remember that coincidence is not conspiracy, and that much of the “information” regarding these incidents comes from sources that want to see something that isn’t there. Numerous training exercises take place in major cities, and it’s not surprising that some were running in some of the biggest cities in the world at the same time they were attacked. This doesn’t prove anything other than two similar things happened at the same time near each other. We all know correlation doesn’t equal causation – so why would it in this case? The Madrid bombing is a perfect example. None of the other cities involved in the exercise were bombed."

My issue with what you wrote initially is that you appeared to be trying to point out some correlation between preparedness drilling and points of attack that should make people wary. The fact is there are all kinds of drills going on all the time, so "matching up" these or other attacks with drilling going on somewhere within hours, days, miles or internationally is misleading.

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 5:04 pm
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Anyone know where the best place to purchase tinfoil hats is? 😉

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 6:44 pm
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Anyone know where the best place to purchase tinfoil hats is? 😉

(tu)

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 7:24 pm
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Anyone know where the best place to purchase tinfoil hats is? 😉

I'll make one for you. $50 (after island discount). Will deliver in time for Christmas.

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 7:26 pm
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I'll make one for you. $50 (after island discount). Will deliver in time for Christmas.

Are they suitably decorated for the holiday season or is that extra?

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 7:57 pm
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I'll make one for you. $50 (after island discount). Will deliver in time for Christmas.

Are they suitably decorated for the holiday season or is that extra?

$50 is a deal if you can give me reindeer antlers so I can pick up InfoWars straight to my brain

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 10:28 pm
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I'll make one for you. $50 (after island discount). Will deliver in time for Christmas.

Are they suitably decorated for the holiday season or is that extra?

$50 is a deal if you can give me reindeer antlers so I can pick up InfoWars straight to my brain

For Christmas, I offer the Ecumenical Red (Starbucks) and Secular White (Lots and lots of Snowflakes) models at no extra charge. Never did one with an antler receiver, but no extra charge for that since it'll be a prototype.

For an extra $5, I wind a string of blinking mini-lites around it that picks up the Breitbart newsfeed.

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 11:05 pm
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I'd like a tinfoil body suit please.....If it's on the interwebs it's the truth!

 
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