When does the viole...
 

When does the violence stop?  

Page 1 / 7
 

gypsy77
(@gypsy77)
New Member
Joined: 4 years ago
Posts: 1
September 5, 2015 12:12 am  

http://viconsortium.com/featured/hundreds-of-shots-fired-during-gang-style-drive-by-shooting-in-red-brick/

Since it seems that even the police are scared to intervene correctly and people are too scared to even speak up then how do we make this stop? Do they bring in the Feds as a temporary fix? How about some public shaming Island style. I think it would be a pretty grand idea to start posting on all travel sites the horror that continues to happen here daily. Let's mess with the travel economic side of the island and maybe, then maybe, something will be done.

I know that the shaming could affect tourism but something needs to change! If that is one way to do it then I am all for it.

What realistic thing(s) can be done? Any ideas or other suggestions because I am ready to go on a posting spree!


Quote
Novanut
(@Novanut)
Trusted Member
Joined: 15 years ago
Posts: 899
September 5, 2015 12:19 am  

http://viconsortium.com/featured/hundreds-of-shots-fired-during-gang-style-drive-by-shooting-in-red-brick/

Since it seems that even the police are scared to intervene correctly and people are too scared to even speak up then how do we make this stop? Do they bring in the Feds as a temporary fix? How about some public shaming Island style. I think it would be a pretty grand idea to start posting on all travel sites the horror that continues to happen here daily. Let's mess with the travel economic side of the island and maybe, then maybe, something will be done.

I know that the shaming could affect tourism but something needs to change! If that is one way to do it then I am all for it.

What realistic thing(s) can be done? Any ideas or other suggestions because I am ready to go on a posting spree!

You must be new here. Don't know if you have done your homework but take some time and read other posts. Crime here is like crime there (stateside). Only difference is that there is water, lots of water around here rather than someplace like, oh, New York, California, Washington D.C. You get the idea. Suggestion: Come for a visit. Who knows? You might like it...


ReplyQuote
monogram
(@monogram)
Advanced Member
Joined: 5 years ago
Posts: 446
September 5, 2015 12:37 am  

http://viconsortium.com/featured/hundreds-of-shots-fired-during-gang-style-drive-by-shooting-in-red-brick/

Since it seems that even the police are scared to intervene correctly and people are too scared to even speak up then how do we make this stop? Do they bring in the Feds as a temporary fix? How about some public shaming Island style. I think it would be a pretty grand idea to start posting on all travel sites the horror that continues to happen here daily. Let's mess with the travel economic side of the island and maybe, then maybe, something will be done.

I know that the shaming could affect tourism but something needs to change! If that is one way to do it then I am all for it.

What realistic thing(s) can be done? Any ideas or other suggestions because I am ready to go on a posting spree!

You must be new here. Crime here is like crime there (stateside).

LOL! Aaaaand the apologists are out!!! Hi, apologist!

Our murder rate isn't "just like stateside." It's six times the national average.

[quote=OldTart]
I can rattle off the names of half a dozen people who were born and raised here, have excellent professional credentials and have tried unsuccessfully to come back and give back to the "their" community only to be shunned. If I as a mere "transplant" can come up with that number then I'm sure that number is infinitely greater.[/quote]


ReplyQuote
wanderer
(@wanderer)
Trusted Member
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 596
September 5, 2015 12:50 am  

Our murder rate isn't "just like stateside." It's six times the national average.

It's 8.3 times the national average, according to my calculations.
National average: 4.5 per 100,000
USVI: 37.4 per 100,000


ReplyQuote
monogram
(@monogram)
Advanced Member
Joined: 5 years ago
Posts: 446
September 5, 2015 12:58 am  

Our murder rate isn't "just like stateside." It's six times the national average.

It's 8.3 times the national average, according to my calculations.
National average: 4.5 per 100,000
USVI: 37.4 per 100,000

"Just like stateside," he says!

[quote=OldTart]
I can rattle off the names of half a dozen people who were born and raised here, have excellent professional credentials and have tried unsuccessfully to come back and give back to the "their" community only to be shunned. If I as a mere "transplant" can come up with that number then I'm sure that number is infinitely greater.[/quote]


ReplyQuote
Spartygrad95
(@Spartygrad95)
Trusted Member
Joined: 5 years ago
Posts: 1885
September 5, 2015 1:48 am  

14 Compton, CA
13 Baltimore, MD
12 St. Louis, MO
11 Harvey, IL
10 Newark, NJ
9 New Orleans, LA
8 Trenton, NJ
7 Detroit, MI
6 Flint, MI
5 Saginaw, MI
4 Chester, PA
3 Gary, IN
2 Camden, NJ
1 East St. Louis, IL

All have higher rates/100k people. I will not say it's just like "stateside" but there are many places stateside with higher rates. It is appalling that it is 4.5/100k and no one bats an eye that the "stateside" rate is way higher than advanced nations?


ReplyQuote
Matt T
(@Matt_T)
Advanced Member
Joined: 14 years ago
Posts: 261
September 5, 2015 1:49 am  

I'm sure many people will comment tomorrow either on this thread or maybe starting another one regarding the man shot at the daycare and the retaliation that occurred in "Red Brick."

I just want to say that I was in the Richmond area when the shootout occurred, luckily at a far enough distance to be safe. Let me tell you about the amount of gunshots- never heard anything like it. Have lived on STT and heard the Charlotte Amalie late night gunshots, have heard the late night gunshots in C'sted, have heard the gunshots on both islands on New Years Eve. This was NOTHING compared to that.

Imagine hearing multiple automatic weapons going off for 3-4 minutes. Serious, the amount of gunshots was insane. Just when I thought it was over they started popping off again. I actually thought it was a bunch of WAPA transformers blowing up at first. It wasn't until I read the VI Consortium article when my fears came true.

So sad. Had it been an hour later, I would have been driving through there with my wife and son on our way to dinner. I am sick to my stomach.


ReplyQuote
monogram
(@monogram)
Advanced Member
Joined: 5 years ago
Posts: 446
September 5, 2015 2:27 am  

14 Compton, CA
13 Baltimore, MD
12 St. Louis, MO
11 Harvey, IL
10 Newark, NJ
9 New Orleans, LA
8 Trenton, NJ
7 Detroit, MI
6 Flint, MI
5 Saginaw, MI
4 Chester, PA
3 Gary, IN
2 Camden, NJ
1 East St. Louis, IL

All have higher rates/100k people. I will not say it's just like "stateside" but there are many places stateside with higher rates. It is appalling that it is 4.5/100k and no one bats an eye that the "stateside" rate is way higher than advanced nations?

Why didn't you post the numbers per 100k or a source? All I see is a list. The reason you didn't post it is because it's false. The highest murder rate in the history of Chicago was 34 per 100k in 1993. That's typical for the VI, and we frequently make it to the 50s per 100k rate. See actual chart: &maxw=600&q=100&cb=20150904012710&cci_ts=20140804095701

Even if your numbers were correct, they would be misleading for several reasons. In large cities like Baltimore and Chicago, Detroit and Newark, many productive citizens live in relatively crime free areas of the city. The VIs small size makes crime "feel" much closer. There have been gunfights in our most popular areas (Coki Point, Magens Bay, C'sted Boardwalk, Tuta Park mall, Sunny Isle, etc). Folks in the Lakeshore East or Lincoln Park neighborhoods of Chicago live relatively crime free. In the VI, we shop at the same grocery stores and attend the same movie theaters as the murderers. Not so in Manhattan. I vividly remember seeing dead bodies in the Carnival village growing up. The violence is much, much closer to the vast majority of the population than it is in these cities.

[quote=OldTart]
I can rattle off the names of half a dozen people who were born and raised here, have excellent professional credentials and have tried unsuccessfully to come back and give back to the "their" community only to be shunned. If I as a mere "transplant" can come up with that number then I'm sure that number is infinitely greater.[/quote]


ReplyQuote
Spartygrad95
(@Spartygrad95)
Trusted Member
Joined: 5 years ago
Posts: 1885
September 5, 2015 10:23 am  

14 Compton, CA
13 Baltimore, MD
12 St. Louis, MO
11 Harvey, IL
10 Newark, NJ
9 New Orleans, LA
8 Trenton, NJ
7 Detroit, MI
6 Flint, MI
5 Saginaw, MI
4 Chester, PA
3 Gary, IN
2 Camden, NJ
1 East St. Louis, IL

All have higher rates/100k people. I will not say it's just like "stateside" but there are many places stateside with higher rates. It is appalling that it is 4.5/100k and no one bats an eye that the "stateside" rate is way higher than advanced nations?

Why didn't you post the numbers per 100k or a source? All I see is a list. The reason you didn't post it is because it's false. The highest murder rate in the history of Chicago was 34 per 100k in 1993. That's typical for the VI, and we frequently make it to the 50s per 100k rate. See actual chart: &maxw=600&q=100&cb=20150904012710&cci_ts=20140804095701

Even if your numbers were correct, they would be misleading for several reasons. In large cities like Baltimore and Chicago, Detroit and Newark, many productive citizens live in relatively crime free areas of the city. The VIs small size makes crime "feel" much closer. There have been gunfights in our most popular areas (Coki Point, Magens Bay, C'sted Boardwalk, Tuta Park mall, Sunny Isle, etc). Folks in the Lakeshore East or Lincoln Park neighborhoods of Chicago live relatively crime free. In the VI, we shop at the same grocery stores and attend the same movie theaters as the murderers. Not so in Manhattan. I vividly remember seeing dead bodies in the Carnival village growing up. The violence is much, much closer to the vast majority of the population than it is in these cities.

Sorry, thought I added source
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/top-lists/highest-murder-rate-cities/


ReplyQuote
SausageInTheCan
(@SausageInTheCan)
Advanced Member
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 396
September 5, 2015 10:43 am  

http://viconsortium.com/featured/hundreds-of-shots-fired-during-gang-style-drive-by-shooting-in-red-brick/

Since it seems that even the police are scared to intervene correctly and people are too scared to even speak up then how do we make this stop? Do they bring in the Feds as a temporary fix? How about some public shaming Island style. I think it would be a pretty grand idea to start posting on all travel sites the horror that continues to happen here daily. Let's mess with the travel economic side of the island and maybe, then maybe, something will be done.

I know that the shaming could affect tourism but something needs to change! If that is one way to do it then I am all for it.

What realistic thing(s) can be done? Any ideas or other suggestions because I am ready to go on a posting spree!

You must be new here. Don't know if you have done your homework but take some time and read other posts. Crime here is like crime there (stateside). Only difference is that there is water, lots of water around here rather than someplace like, oh, New York, California, Washington D.C. You get the idea. Suggestion: Come for a visit. Who knows? You might like it...

Crime is not the same as stateside. The police stateside do their jobs and don't run and hide like the pussies here. It seems all they're good at here is cell phone and seat belt tickets.


ReplyQuote
JahRustyFerrari
(@JahRustyFerrari)
Advanced Member
Joined: 9 years ago
Posts: 258
September 5, 2015 1:17 pm  

It will only get worse. If you do the necessary things, people will complain about civil rights violations. You'd have to take the guns away, for starters. How?

You'd have to declare martial law, lock down entire neighborhoods at a time, and have the National Guard do house-to-house searches.

This would be effective, but would result in massive complaining...


ReplyQuote
STXBob
(@STXBob)
Trusted Member
Joined: 13 years ago
Posts: 2138
September 5, 2015 1:35 pm  

You'd have to declare martial law, lock down entire neighborhoods at a time, and have the National Guard do house-to-house searches.

That's OK, I wasn't using my civil rights anyway.


ReplyQuote
Spartygrad95
(@Spartygrad95)
Trusted Member
Joined: 5 years ago
Posts: 1885
September 5, 2015 1:40 pm  

Declaring "martial law" and conceding your rights over safety is the easy answer since no one here or stateside is really willing to deal with the real underlying issues.


ReplyQuote
JahRustyFerrari
(@JahRustyFerrari)
Advanced Member
Joined: 9 years ago
Posts: 258
September 5, 2015 1:58 pm  

You'd have to declare martial law, lock down entire neighborhoods at a time, and have the National Guard do house-to-house searches.

That's OK, I wasn't using my civil rights anyway.

Well, then stop complaining about the violence. Humans have always been violent. You can't have it all.


ReplyQuote
JahRustyFerrari
(@JahRustyFerrari)
Advanced Member
Joined: 9 years ago
Posts: 258
September 5, 2015 2:00 pm  

Declaring "martial law" and conceding your rights over safety is the easy answer since no one here or stateside is really willing to deal with the real underlying issues.

The underlying issue is that humans are violent. You have conceded a lot of things over 'safety'...for example, you don't care when a remotely controlled weapon incinerates an entire wedding party thousands of miles away out of concern for your 'safety'...


ReplyQuote
Novanut
(@Novanut)
Trusted Member
Joined: 15 years ago
Posts: 899
September 5, 2015 2:02 pm  

I knew I would stand to be corrected. Just wanted to get the ball rolling for our OP.


ReplyQuote
Spartygrad95
(@Spartygrad95)
Trusted Member
Joined: 5 years ago
Posts: 1885
September 5, 2015 2:07 pm  

Declaring "martial law" and conceding your rights over safety is the easy answer since no one here or stateside is really willing to deal with the real underlying issues.

The underlying issue is that humans are violent. You have conceded a lot of things over 'safety'...for example, you don't care when a remotely controlled weapon incinerates an entire wedding party thousands of miles away out of concern for your 'safety'...

I have NEVER ONCE, not for one second, even on 9/12/01 worried about Jihadists. I actually do care that the U.S.'s number one export lately is bombs designed to kill brown people. I do; however, worry about violent people and police in my world.


ReplyQuote
watruw8ing4
(@watruw8ing4)
Trusted Member
Joined: 13 years ago
Posts: 850
September 5, 2015 2:17 pm  

http://viconsortium.com/featured/hundreds-of-shots-fired-during-gang-style-drive-by-shooting-in-red-brick/

Since it seems that even the police are scared to intervene correctly and people are too scared to even speak up then how do we make this stop? Do they bring in the Feds as a temporary fix? How about some public shaming Island style. I think it would be a pretty grand idea to start posting on all travel sites the horror that continues to happen here daily. Let's mess with the travel economic side of the island and maybe, then maybe, something will be done.

I know that the shaming could affect tourism but something needs to change! If that is one way to do it then I am all for it.

What realistic thing(s) can be done? Any ideas or other suggestions because I am ready to go on a posting spree!

Messing with the economics would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. If the economics were improved, the violence would decrease. At this point, I'm all for martial law. And I've lived in some pretty violent places.


ReplyQuote
JahRustyFerrari
(@JahRustyFerrari)
Advanced Member
Joined: 9 years ago
Posts: 258
September 5, 2015 2:38 pm  

Declaring "martial law" and conceding your rights over safety is the easy answer since no one here or stateside is really willing to deal with the real underlying issues.

The underlying issue is that humans are violent. You have conceded a lot of things over 'safety'...for example, you don't care when a remotely controlled weapon incinerates an entire wedding party thousands of miles away out of concern for your 'safety'...

I have NEVER ONCE, not for one second, even on 9/12/01 worried about Jihadists. I actually do care that the U.S.'s number one export lately is bombs designed to kill brown people. I do; however, worry about violent people and police in my world.

There are things happening right now, thousands of miles away, that will affect you more than things that are happening in your own neighborhood. Jihadists came about because of massive meddling in their countries and the stationing of US troops in the 'Holy Land'. In addition to exporting bombs, the U.S. is also exporting your job overseas and everything is now 'Made in China'. If you think that these things do not affect the crime rate and the violence, think again. St. Croix used to have watch factories, mattress factories, Transducer Technology making stuff for NASA, a big refinery, lots of restaurants and stores supported by those workers, all of the spaces at the William Roebuck Industrial Park filled with tenants employing locals, we had a jazz festival, the triathlon was a qualifier for the Ironman, etc etc...all evaporated, many due to corporate greed at a very high level. Everything is related, nothing happens in a vacuum.


ReplyQuote
speee1dy
(@speee1dy)
Expert
Joined: 11 years ago
Posts: 8750
September 5, 2015 4:32 pm  

Just wondering how you plan on taking away illegal weapons from criminals


ReplyQuote
meowruff
(@meowruff)
Advanced Member
Joined: 12 years ago
Posts: 347
September 5, 2015 5:45 pm  

The subject was "When does the violence stop?" I absolutely love my St Croix, but am very worried for everyone...

http://viconsortium.com/featured/red-honda-civic-riddled-with-bullets-near-central-high-school-victim-in-surgery/

ST. CROIX — The streets of this island have turned into a war zone since the death of Jermaine “Bird” Williams, who was gunned down while picking up his daughter at the George’s Christian Academy on Friday afternoon.

Today, another man sustained multiple gunshot wounds when the red, Honda Civic that he was driving was riddled with bullets from high-powered machine guns by assailants who drove past him near the stoplights at the intersection close to Central High School, and unleashed rapid fire from the victim’s right side, as he was traveling east, and to the front of the severely damaged car.

The victim, Dwayne “DMX” Woodrup, lived; and is currently undergoing surgery. His condition is critical. According to VIPD Public Information Officer Kevin Jackson, last he heard, Woodrup was “clinging to life.”

The road was cordoned off from the Superior Court on the west side, and at the Estate La Raine stoplights from the east. Investigators and detectives scanned and marked the area for evidence-gathering purposes, but the war was not over.

Without warning, sirens started blaring as officers boarded their police vehicles and headed south — to Harvey/Profit — as gunfire was reported in the area. The Consortium arrived on the scene, to the southwest portion of the housing community, but was turned away by officers, who were on guard with machine guns in hands.

“Not now, it’s too dangerous,” one officer said.

Because of the second incident, the stoplights located near the Diageo rum factory was blocked by officers. Reports later came in of gunfire in La Grande Princesse, but The Consortium was unable to gather further information about that incident at the time of publishing.

Government House held a press conference at 12:00 noon today to discuss the surge in gun crime here. According to Jackson, who was at the conference, all peace officers within the territory will begin operating as regular police officers under the purview of the police commissioner. The National Guard was not summoned. There will also be various checkpoints on the island as officers work to quell the violence and bring perpetrators to justice.

The Consortium will have a detailed report of today’s press conference later this afternoon.


ReplyQuote
speee1dy
(@speee1dy)
Expert
Joined: 11 years ago
Posts: 8750
September 5, 2015 6:23 pm  

Thank you foe the article


ReplyQuote
Spartygrad95
(@Spartygrad95)
Trusted Member
Joined: 5 years ago
Posts: 1885
September 5, 2015 6:27 pm  

Declaring "martial law" and conceding your rights over safety is the easy answer since no one here or stateside is really willing to deal with the real underlying issues.

The underlying issue is that humans are violent. You have conceded a lot of things over 'safety'...for example, you don't care when a remotely controlled weapon incinerates an entire wedding party thousands of miles away out of concern for your 'safety'...

I have NEVER ONCE, not for one second, even on 9/12/01 worried about Jihadists. I actually do care that the U.S.'s number one export lately is bombs designed to kill brown people. I do; however, worry about violent people and police in my world.

There are things happening right now, thousands of miles away, that will affect you more than things that are happening in your own neighborhood. Jihadists came about because of massive meddling in their countries and the stationing of US troops in the 'Holy Land'. In addition to exporting bombs, the U.S. is also exporting your job overseas and everything is now 'Made in China'. If you think that these things do not affect the crime rate and the violence, think again. St. Croix used to have watch factories, mattress factories, Transducer Technology making stuff for NASA, a big refinery, lots of restaurants and stores supported by those workers, all of the spaces at the William Roebuck Industrial Park filled with tenants employing locals, we had a jazz festival, the triathlon was a qualifier for the Ironman, etc etc...all evaporated, many due to corporate greed at a very high level. Everything is related, nothing happens in a vacuum.

Agreed nothing happens in a vacuum. Agreed the issues with violence correlate strongly to lack of economic opportunity. "Free trade" agreements have more to do with jobs being exported than stationing of troops in Islamic Holy Land.


ReplyQuote
East Ender
(@east-ender)
Expert
Joined: 15 years ago
Posts: 5337
September 5, 2015 6:36 pm  

Is (was) there more than one Jermaine Williams?


ReplyQuote
East Ender
(@east-ender)
Expert
Joined: 15 years ago
Posts: 5337
September 5, 2015 7:35 pm  

How about some public shaming Island style. I think it would be a pretty grand idea to start posting on all travel sites the horror that continues to happen here daily. Let's mess with the travel economic side of the island and maybe, then maybe, something will be done.

I know that the shaming could affect tourism but something needs to change! If that is one way to do it then I am all for it.

What realistic thing(s) can be done? Any ideas or other suggestions because I am ready to go on a posting spree!

I am not sure how this would help anyone. It would hurt the businesses that are holding on by a thread and would have a domino effect throughout the territory. I do not believe in pretending all is well, but yours is, quite honestly, a lousy idea.

Write to the governor, the legislature, the delegate. Write to the newspaper. If you see something, say something. I would love to see the Daily News write another series on gangs, on the relationships among the various bad guys being adjudicated in court. When someone is shot, describe their criminal record. Yes, I'm sorry for the family, but frequently, these executions have a cause, even if it doesn't make any sense.


ReplyQuote
Page 1 / 7
Settlers Handbook

Thinking about moving to the Virgin Islands?

The Settler's Handbook is a Indispensable Guide

The current 18th Edition, will help you explore your dream of island living. A solid reference book, it was first published in 1975. That's 40 years of helping people move to the Virgin Islands.

Order Today $17.95
Close Menu

Please Login or Register