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islandjoan
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Sparty I am saying it is a shame that repeat offenders are costing taxpayers a lot here especially when the hospital is strapped for money. Furthermore I hope that a law abiding citizen is not waiting for an air ambulance because another one is transporting a criminal. How about that?

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Posted : September 6, 2015 11:46 pm
Spartygrad95
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Whether someone is "law abiding" or not should not matter on priority of care. The most critical should be treated first. The apathy and callousness people show towards "criminals" mirrors the same attitudes shown by criminals to law abiding citizens

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Posted : September 6, 2015 11:56 pm
Alana33
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If it were you or I being transported for a medical emergency, we'd be hounded to the grave for payment and our credit destroyed if we didn't or couldn't pay as law abiding citizens.

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Posted : September 7, 2015 12:00 am
Spartygrad95
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I have insurance/Masa. I am lucky. I will not begrudge anyone without my privilege those services

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Posted : September 7, 2015 12:02 am
OldTart
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And this is unique to the USVI?

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Posted : September 7, 2015 12:04 am
monogram
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I agree with Joan and Alana. This isn't a petty drug pusher. He's a violent felon who has cost us enough hundreds of thousands of dollars already (healthcare, reduced economic activity due to fear of going out, etc). He was nursed back to life last time just to go on a rampage again and terrorize our community.

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Posted : September 7, 2015 12:38 am
Spartygrad95
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So the answer to criminals who treat law abiding citizens horribly is to treat them horribly. Gotcha. We shall soon be an eyeless society.

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Posted : September 7, 2015 12:43 am
islandjoan
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Nobody said to treat the criminal horribly. Monogram and Alana get it but you miss the point.

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Posted : September 7, 2015 1:30 am
Spartygrad95
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"Furthermore I hope that a law abiding citizen is not waiting for an air ambulance because another one is transporting a criminal. How about that?"
Seems like others are more important to you.
I get it just fine. I'm not pro criminal. I'm pro human.

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Posted : September 7, 2015 1:39 am
Alana33
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Say that when it's a choice between one of your law abiding family members or a career criminal, if push came to shove.

You'd be singing a different tune.

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Posted : September 7, 2015 1:51 am
Spartygrad95
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I'll worry about that very unlikely hypothetical when it never happens. Thanks though.

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Posted : September 7, 2015 2:00 am
Alana33
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I really hope so for yours and your family's sake, sparty
It doesn't hurt to be aware that the level of lawlessness is at an all time high.

Look at that 15 year old girl on vacation, caught in a crossfire.
Not something she nor her family anticipated.
Granted, you can't be expected to live your life, looking over your shoulder.

So here's what's been happening in STX according to STX Source:

http://stcroixsource.com/story/News,Police

A bit much dontcha think?

Not saying STT gets off Scott Free as here's the latest after the young man was gunned down by UVI.

http://stthomassource.com/content/news/police/2015/09/06/two-men-shot-hospital-ground

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Posted : September 7, 2015 2:15 am
Spartygrad95
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Violence has its ebbs and flows. It is not good now. My wife frequents Brewer's. I have told her I don't feel comfortable with her going there alone right now. We do not live in fear though. We were at Coki today, not a care in the world. I just do not think more prisons are the answer. It is much deeper than putting people in cells.

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Posted : September 7, 2015 2:34 am
wanderer
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I agree with Spartygrad95. Denying the quality health care to a criminal would be a primitive, tribal-like form of revenge and retaliation, which is what much of the crime in USVI is about.

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Posted : September 7, 2015 2:39 am
islandjoan
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That very unlikely hypothetical situation may not happen to you but it very well may have happened to someone this weekend. There are a limited number of beds in the hospital. A few years ago the mother of a local friend of mine waited 3 days in the hallway of the ER before a bed opened up. It would have been a real shame if the bed she needed was occupied by a murderer.

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Posted : September 7, 2015 2:46 am
Alana33
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That's a moot point as it's obviously not done.
(Was referencing wanders and Sparty' s posts.)

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Posted : September 7, 2015 2:51 am
wanderer
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That very unlikely hypothetical situation may not happen to you but it very well may have happened to someone this weekend. There are a limited number of beds in the hospital. A few years ago the mother of a local friend of mine waited 3 days in the hallway of the ER before a bed opened up. It would have been a real shame if the bed she needed was occupied by a murderer.

Well, since we are talking about hypothetical scenarios, let's consider a more interesting one. Suppose the mother of a local friend of yours wants to check in. There are no beds left, and Wayne Woodrup is not there. There is, however, a pot dealer, a petty thief, a corrupted politician, and a VI voter who voted for the corrupted politician. Who do you think should be kicked out of the hospital to yield the bed?

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Posted : September 7, 2015 2:58 am
Spartygrad95
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Yes, we should run background checks on all incoming patients. Who would get a bed first a guy with a DUI or one with a 615 credit score? Damn Hippocratic Oath

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Posted : September 7, 2015 2:58 am
Alana33
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Miss the point much?

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Posted : September 7, 2015 3:02 am
Spartygrad95
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You are missing the point. Doctors do not get to choose who gets a bed based on their history. Seems like someone is advocating just that. You want to down that slippery slope I can assure you they'd put a "murderer" with a 790 credit score in a bed over a "law abiding citizen" with a 620 score.

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Posted : September 7, 2015 3:11 am
islandjoan
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Sparty totally misses the point. I am NOT saying a choice should be made but merely decrying the situation.

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Posted : September 7, 2015 12:53 pm
Spartygrad95
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People have suggested a "choice" with my loved one. No one I've heard of was denied care so this blight on society could receive care. If I'm mistaken, please post links. If not your hypotheticals are meaningless and mean spirited

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Posted : September 7, 2015 12:58 pm
OldTart
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Sparty totally misses the point. I am NOT saying a choice should be made but merely decrying the situation.

It's really a discussion for the coconut or some other forum as it's nothing unique to the territory.

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Posted : September 7, 2015 12:58 pm
wanderer
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Sparty totally misses the point. I am NOT saying a choice should be made but merely decrying the situation.

No, you are totally missing the point. The way the society treats its criminals is a reflection upon how it treats its lawful citizens. There is nothing to decry here. The countries with the most nightmarish prisons in the world are also the countries which brutalize their lawful citizens: Syria, Venezuela, North Korea, Rwanda, Egypt.

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Posted : September 7, 2015 1:34 pm
Alana33
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Here's an article from NY post:

http://nypost.com/2015/09/07/deadly-mayhem-before-annual-parade-in-brooklyn/

Sound familiar?

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Posted : September 7, 2015 10:39 pm
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