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rotorhead
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November 17, 2012 7:33 pm  

Our government has been aiding our enemy to the tune of almost $1T.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/16/liberated-iraq-calls-on-arab-states-to-use-oil-as-weapon-against-us/

Let's raise taxes so we can send more money overseas to our enemies!


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noOne
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November 17, 2012 8:00 pm  

Granted, the Iraqis do not like us. You have to admit that the vast bulk of money they have received from the USA was due to Bush.


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November 17, 2012 8:13 pm  

Granted, the Iraqis do not like us. You have to admit that the vast bulk of money they have received from the USA was due to Bush.

I never mentioned who sent it. Actually, the president AND congress are responsible for spending decisions. We need to do a little nation building at home before we start sending billions/trillions overseas. But then again I guess we are cash flush and can afford it, right?


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November 17, 2012 8:24 pm  

I'd rather have nothing to do with the region. Let them fight it out, we don't need to be in the middle of it.


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November 18, 2012 1:48 pm  

Let's aggressively start attacking our energy consumption, mostly through education about energy waste as well as increasing our sustainable fuel sources and remove ourselves from that region.

If we can get ourselves off the oil and gas, religion will be the only thing for us to fight about over there.

Realistically, Israel will be the reason we will never have peace in our birth place. Not just because of what they do, but just because they are there.


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November 18, 2012 1:55 pm  

I'd rather have nothing to do with the region. Let them fight it out, we don't need to be in the middle of it.

Nice sentiment, but unrealistic. You have no choice in the matter. It is part of the "Great Game" . The objective is control of the oil and other natural resources in that region.

In a nutshell, whatever country controls the region's resources will be able to control the development of competing nations (like China, for example).


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November 18, 2012 2:13 pm  

I know that we get most of our oil from Canada. I also know that there is more potential fuel in American soil, than all of the ME.


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November 18, 2012 2:38 pm  

We do get most of our oil from Canada, and Mexico is #2: http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm

Shale oil technology is being developed: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/american-oil-find-holds-oil-opec/story?id=17536852


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November 18, 2012 4:25 pm  

Fracking is the worst of all possible outcomes IMO.

The "food for oil" debate was based on misinformation. This would be water for oil.


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November 18, 2012 5:20 pm  

I know that we get most of our oil from Canada. I also know that there is more potential fuel in American soil, than all of the ME.

IMHO, all of that oil needs to remain in the earth, where Mother Nature put it...probably for a darn good reason too.

At some point in time, humans will collectively go 😮 as Mother Nature makes a major correction and eliminates the pesky, carbon-based smartasses who keep trying to kill their planet.

Humans are probably descendants of the Biblical demons who were cast out and sent to Earth. Occassionally, an angel arises from amongst us...but, for the most part, life on this planet is evil.


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November 18, 2012 6:50 pm  

...but, for the most part, life on this planet is evil.

Depends on how you define evil.


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November 18, 2012 10:37 pm  

All life on this planet will eventually return to the sea.


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November 18, 2012 10:48 pm  

All life on this planet will eventually return to the sea.

I hope we make it into space too!


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November 19, 2012 9:54 am  

...but, for the most part, life on this planet is evil.

Depends on how you define evil.

Anyting that detracts from a common good is evil.

We all live in a degenerate capitalistic system that is inherently evil. Eveything we do that supports that system is evil by association.
Humans could never have devised a system that would work for the common good because humans are inherently evil beings who lack a collective consciousness.

Feel free to prove me wrong.


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November 19, 2012 12:49 pm  

I agree Ferrari. Humans are locusts.


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November 21, 2012 3:08 pm  

must be awful for you to think humans are evil and have no conscious


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JahRustyFerrari
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November 21, 2012 3:36 pm  

must be awful for you to think humans are evil and have no conscious

Oh, humans are conscious...and some of us even have a conscience.

What we lack is a collective sense of the common good.

Anything that detracts from a common good is evil. We currently live under a system that rewards those who climb to the top over the carcasses of those that they have conquered.


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Isle Tell Ya
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November 21, 2012 4:23 pm  

Such negativity - what an awful way to go through life.

And it's not at all pompous to characterize an entire species of being. Hey JahRusty - what % of the human population do you think you have actually met to make such wide-ranging assumptions with such confidence that you dare folks to "prove you wrong."

Statements like "Everything we do . . ." makes a generalization that isn't bound in reality in the past, present or future.


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November 21, 2012 5:04 pm  

Such negativity - what an awful way to go through life.

And it's not at all pompous to characterize an entire species of being. Hey JahRusty - what % of the human population do you think you have actually met to make such wide-ranging assumptions with such confidence that you dare folks to "prove you wrong."

Statements like "Everything we do . . ." makes a generalization that isn't bound in reality in the past, present or future.

...so you're not living in a degenerate, blood-sucking, capitalistic system that encourages the seven deadly sins?

People make wide-ranging assumptions based on sample data every day...it's called polling.


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November 21, 2012 5:55 pm  

What we lack is a collective sense of the common good.

Anything that detracts from a common good is evil. We currently live under a system that rewards those who climb to the top over the carcasses of those that they have conquered.

I think part of the problem is that we all might not share the same view of what "common good" means.

How do you define "common good"? Does it refer to the well being of individuals of our species or the human race as a whole? Does it include the health of the planet and other animal species?

Many species on planet Earth have become extinct over the years. Does the common good refer to the well being of individuals or the preservation of our species? Are humans the most important thing about planet Earth or should they be allowed to become extinct?

Someday maybe humans will evolve to the point where everyone is aware of their impact on the planet and their responsibility to civilization. Should humans continue to be able to reproduce uncontrollably? 10,000 years ago there were about 1 million humans on the whole planet. By 1800 we had reached 1 billion. This year we reached 7 billion. How long can this go own. In the past we expanded to uninhabited regions of the planet. Now we must go into space or into the oceans. Should our population be controlled? How do you do that in a world with no central authority?

We have no common goal. Where are we going? The truth is most of us are just aimlessly wandering through our lives. Our goals, if any, are just short term in the big scheme of things.


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November 21, 2012 6:00 pm  

thanks for the spelling lesson-i guess you just proved your point on the evil thing. but that would depend on if you were pointing out my error as a nice thing or to be a mean and spitfull person.


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JahRustyFerrari
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November 22, 2012 12:49 am  

thanks for the spelling lesson-i guess you just proved your point on the evil thing. but that would depend on if you were pointing out my error as a nice thing or to be a mean and spitfull person.

Einstein was a horrible speller...and I don't mean to be spiteful, I just like to play with English 😀

I apologize if I have offended you.


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Isle Tell Ya
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November 22, 2012 2:01 am  

I think a few of you need to adopt a puppy.


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speee1dy
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November 22, 2012 10:50 am  

i find if offensive when others point out spelling and grammar errors to anyone, not just myself. i see it often in all forums. i understand why it is done. i guess it is no worse that when i silently correct how people pronounce words.
oh well, lol i will try to spell better


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JahRustyFerrari
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November 22, 2012 12:14 pm  

I think a few of you need to adopt a puppy.

😛 I'm a regular supporter of the animal shelter... I am the proud adopter of a poodle, a Rottweiler, a Labrador mix, and a German Shepherd (died recently)...also three cats.

Pets are wonderful...hate to see animals mistreated. When I adopted the Shepherd he was as flat as a pancake.


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