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noOne
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So what do people here think about American citizens being killed abroad by our government?

I am of course talking about drone strikes, but the means does not matter.

Eugene Robinson: Drone strikes on U.S. citizens should have judicial oversight

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Topic starter Posted : February 8, 2013 8:53 am
JahRustyFerrari
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So what do people here think about American citizens being killed abroad by our government?

I am of course talking about drone strikes, but the means does not matter.

Eugene Robinson: Drone strikes on U.S. citizens should have judicial oversight

"Our" government will rapidly progress to killing Americans by drones in America itself if they are not stopped. Maybe that's what it will take to wake people up.

Right now, the Pentagon thinks that its drone program is invincible because they have not gone up against an advanced country with a decent Air Force...drones won't do much good against a wanted American who decides to hide out in China, Russia, or North Korea...or Iran, for that matter.

The generals have been lucky so far because the wanted Americans choose to hide out in backward, third world countries with no air force.
Pakistan has an air force, but the Pakistani government is in full cooperation with the US.

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Posted : February 8, 2013 12:31 pm
noOne
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The generals have been lucky so far because the wanted Americans choose to hide out in backward, third world countries with no air force.
Pakistan has an air force, but the Pakistani government is in full cooperation with the US.

So have many other countries like Yemen, though they may not have an air force.

Obama is just as bad as H. W. Bush, IMO.

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Topic starter Posted : February 8, 2013 2:54 pm
Lucy
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I'm really not sure how this president can sleep at night?

I get it about an American that is plotting with the enemy. But what about Awlaki's 16-year-old son being killed .... not at the same time as Awlaki, but one week later. Here is a key piece of the "conditions for engagement":

"The white paper specifies the conditions that must be met before a citizen is targeted for obliteration. Among them is that he or she must be planning an "imminent" terrorist attack."

So I guess they must be able to predict that the16-year was at some point going to "fill is father's shoes" and that imminent could mean many years from now. Plus as we all know, "birds of a feather flock together". Get em while you can ???

Here is an article and video of Robert Gibbs (.... ex-WH spokesman and very close adviser to the President) justifying the act. Also have a look at the kid's photo ..... you can just tell he will be up to no good !!!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/top-obama-adviser-awlakis-16-year-old-son-should-have-had-a-more-responsible-father-if-he-wanted-us-not-to-kill-him/5309698

Bottom line is that if George Bush did this .... he would be up for impeachment !!!

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Posted : February 8, 2013 6:03 pm
rotorhead
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The government of the United States of America is an embarrassment to its citizens. They are out of control. Every four years we are presented with two unacceptable candidates for president and told to vote for one of them. We have been involved in a useless war which wastes the lives of our military service people and our resources for all of my life.

The government does not need to raise our taxes, they need to limit their involvement to things which are VITAL to our national interests. If you read Michael Crichton's "State of Fear" he postulates that the government maintains a State of Fear in its citizens to better control them. When people are afraid they are easier to control. When the cold war ended the government quickly turned to the environment as the source of fear. When 9/11 occurred a whole new opportunity opened up.

Don't worry, just sit over there and be quiet, we will protect you! BS!

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Posted : February 8, 2013 8:02 pm
noOne
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9/11 was allowed to happen, I have no doubt of that in my mind. Keep in mind the PATRIOT Act was put in place a mere 45 days after 9/11 - it was ready to go for an event like 9/11.

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Topic starter Posted : February 8, 2013 8:52 pm
JahRustyFerrari
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I'm really not sure how this president can sleep at night?

I get it about an American that is plotting with the enemy. But what about Awlaki's 16-year-old son being killed .... not at the same time as Awlaki, but one week later. Here is a key piece of the "conditions for engagement":

"The white paper specifies the conditions that must be met before a citizen is targeted for obliteration. Among them is that he or she must be planning an "imminent" terrorist attack."

So I guess they must be able to predict that the16-year was at some point going to "fill is father's shoes" and that imminent could mean many years from now. Plus as we all know, "birds of a feather flock together". Get em while you can ???

Here is an article and video of Robert Gibbs (.... ex-WH spokesman and very close adviser to the President) justifying the act. Also have a look at the kid's photo ..... you can just tell he will be up to no good !!!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/top-obama-adviser-awlakis-16-year-old-son-should-have-had-a-more-responsible-father-if-he-wanted-us-not-to-kill-him/5309698

Bottom line is that if George Bush did this .... he would be up for impeachment !!!

"The enemy" is anyone who has resources that the US wants to control. When those people resist having their resources controlled by foreign entities, they become labelled as "enemies".

Pre-emptive attack does nor only belong to the US...the "enemy" can use your logic to justify destroying two skyscrapers in Manhattan, or to kill drone operators and their families in the US.

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Posted : February 9, 2013 8:11 pm
JahRustyFerrari
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9/11 was allowed to happen, I have no doubt of that in my mind. Keep in mind the PATRIOT Act was put in place a mere 45 days after 9/11 - it was ready to go for an event like 9/11.

Many people are unaware that three skyscrapers came down that day...Building 7, the smoking gun, is never mentioned...not even the official investigation was able to explain why a 47-storey, over-engineered building that was not hit by an airplane, managed to neatly collapse into its own footprint at around 5:30 pm...with no significant fires, etc visible.
You can watch lots of videos of the neat collapse of Building 7 on YouTube.
If you question the official story, you are labelled as a nutcase, conspiracy theorist, looney tunes, etc.

A lot of people think that "oh, the government could never keep anything so big secret".

I think we would all be amazed at the number of things currently being kept secret.

Remember, there was no general knowledge of the Manhattan Project, which resulted in the development of the atomic weapons used against Japan...and lots of people were involved in that project.

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Posted : February 10, 2013 11:45 am
loucypher
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Google the DVD titled In Plane Sight. Get a copy and be perpared to be really pissed off.

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Posted : February 10, 2013 4:01 pm
noOne
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The Drones Controversy Shows Why Leaks Are Vital to Democracy

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Topic starter Posted : February 11, 2013 3:20 pm
Novanut
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The Drudge report had an article recently citing by 2020 the US will have something like 30,000 drones flying overhead watching everyone. I wonder how many folks DC will need to keep that going???

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Posted : February 20, 2013 12:50 am
LiquidFluoride
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9/11 was allowed to happen, I have no doubt of that in my mind. Keep in mind the PATRIOT Act was put in place a mere 45 days after 9/11 - it was ready to go for an event like 9/11.

the patriot act was tried many other times before finnaly passing after 9/11...

the FIRST WTC trade center bombing saw the patriot act introduced, the OKC federal building bombing saw another attempt, and finally it passed (very shortly) after 9/11; all of these incidents were NOT at ALL what we have been lead to believe, once people start to question the events that predicate historic global changes "we the people" will finally get back some sanity and sovereignty.

a simple review of the major wars of the 1900's would suffice.

WWI was started due to the sinking of the Lucitania (a cruise liner the US was using to ship arms illegally to the UK, it was sunk by german Uboats)..

WWII was started due to Pearl Harbor bering attacked by Japan, something we not only knew would happen, we provoked through outrageous sanctions and insults to japan as well as ignored radar signatures.

vietnam? The Gulf of Tonkin incident, three tiny boats attack a naval destroyer (JOKE!) and then a second incident that did not even happen, yet caused the "Tonkin resolution" to be passed, and into the war we went.

Korea, Panama, Iraq-Iran and even the "war on drugs" all have serious alterior motives.

Iraq only invaded Kuwait because we (basically) gave them the idea that we would look the other way.

Iraq war? WMD's ... yeah right....

Afganistan invasion... after Osama Bin Ladin right? (the same Osama that was on dialisis in 2000, how do you live in caves on dialisis again? yeah he very likely died in DEC of 2001 based on the intel I have seen & the farse in Pakistan was just more propiganda to justifiy the immense expendatures in the Middle East since 2001)

this pattern is old and tired, feel free to investigate for your self, everything up untill about 20 years ago is mostly de-classified (aka admited to) so feel free to look into it for your self.

I've been deployed to several countries and have yet to find the situation I land in anything similar to the propiganda I am blasted with back home.

My new motto is this:

Quesation EVERYTHING, Always! (even this post!)

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Posted : February 22, 2013 3:28 am
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