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Spartygrad95
(@Spartygrad95)
Noble Member

File this under the category.. No fucking shit?

http://www.bdtonline.com/cnhi_network/honey-is-just-as-bad-as-high-fructose-corn-sweetener/article_6d2d9a85-e3f1-5fd7-9bd3-75caafea8671.html?mode=jqm

This is the problem with the natural fallacy. Nature hates you. It wasn't a you dead and yet a certain segment of the world wants to hug it and squeeze it and love it. Honey makes cookies taste like a nightmare and comes with the added risk of botulism. No thanks. Sorry science deniers and Luddites, sugar is fucking sugar.

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Posted : September 18, 2015 10:31 am
speee1dy
(@speee1dy)
Islander

i heard just recently that honey was as bad. and your right-sugar is sugar.

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Posted : September 18, 2015 5:54 pm
Spartygrad95
(@Spartygrad95)
Noble Member

i heard just recently that honey was as bad. and your right-sugar is sugar.

(tu)

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Posted : September 18, 2015 6:26 pm
Alana33
(@Alana33)
Islander
Spartygrad95
(@Spartygrad95)
Noble Member

Absolutely refuted by the USDA study. Nice try. Enjoy your bee poop and possible botulism with the same net sugar effect on your body. Oh and an article with zero citations. I can make stuff up too. Doesn't make it true

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Posted : September 19, 2015 2:40 pm
Alana33
(@Alana33)
Islander

Enjoy your day, sparty.

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Posted : September 19, 2015 4:26 pm
Spartygrad95
(@Spartygrad95)
Noble Member

I always do. I'm going to have some biscuits and honey.. Because biscuits and corn syrup sounds gross. 🙂

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Posted : September 19, 2015 4:42 pm
LiquidFluoride
(@LiquidFluoride)
Noble Member

I've personally had fantastic results with honey, especially when used topically (local, fresh honey) for wound care.

not bad to eat either...

I'm ok with bee poop and the possibility of something happening that PROBABLY will not.

Enjoy living in fear!

BTW, I LOVE how you used the title "natural fallacy" and then post an article and build an argument ENTIRELY based on the logical fallacy "appeal to authority"

well done sir, irony is a rare find these days (though that barely constitutes as irony).

There was a [URL="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/abinazir/2011/06/15/what-are-chances-you-would-be-born/"]1: 400,000,000,000,000[/URL] chance of you being born: what have you done with your miraculous life today?

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Posted : September 20, 2015 4:34 pm
Spartygrad95
(@Spartygrad95)
Noble Member

Multiple studies are an appeal to authority huh? Then again you deny efficacy of vaccines and are a truther. I wish I was as "awake"

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Posted : September 20, 2015 10:10 pm
Spartygrad95
(@Spartygrad95)
Noble Member

Oh btw, I enjoyed your anecdote about wound care, the plural of anecdote still isn't evidence. I'm not fearful of honey. I enjoy honey. The point is, and was, honey is still sugar. It still effects your blood glucose level in the same way as corn syrup, cane sugar etc. Honet tastes delicious but do not delude yourself into believing it is "healthy".

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Posted : September 20, 2015 10:15 pm
speee1dy
(@speee1dy)
Islander

i thought honey was bad/dangerous for children

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Posted : September 21, 2015 4:31 pm
LiquidFluoride
(@LiquidFluoride)
Noble Member

Honey is definitely an insulin response inducer, no disagreement there.

The fallacy is stating a fact is true because it's from the USDA (appeal to authority) instead of stating its true due to some portion of the study (that neither you, nor I read).

We naturally communicate in fallacy, it's how we were taught in school and by tv/news examples.

There was a [URL="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/abinazir/2011/06/15/what-are-chances-you-would-be-born/"]1: 400,000,000,000,000[/URL] chance of you being born: what have you done with your miraculous life today?

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Posted : September 21, 2015 6:56 pm
islandnewbie
(@islandnewbie)
Trusted Member

If you are going to eat honey, make sure it is from a local source. Recent studies of processed honey (the kind in the cute little bears) shows that most of it is processed in China, then shipped back to the US through places like India, Pakistan, and other Asian countries so it doesn't say "Made in China". Honey from those countries, like apple juice, often bears a US label, but is usually diluted with water and other substances you really don't want to introduce into your body. Local honey also has the advantage of combating allergies and helping the local farming community.

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Posted : January 5, 2016 1:19 pm
LiquidFluoride
(@LiquidFluoride)
Noble Member

If you are going to eat honey, make sure it is from a local source. .

I certainly agree; the anecdotal cases of allergy relief and the higher o2 content of "local" (non-processed) honey are the best way to go.

Yes its sugar, but there's more to bee poop than just that.

Moderation in everything (especially sugars)!

There was a [URL="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/abinazir/2011/06/15/what-are-chances-you-would-be-born/"]1: 400,000,000,000,000[/URL] chance of you being born: what have you done with your miraculous life today?

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Posted : January 5, 2016 1:37 pm
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