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(@ByeByeTexas)
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Good day, VI Relocation Forum proper.. So I came across this today on CL. I take it this is an anomaly and NOT a common hiring practice? Relocating to STT soon and this field is an interest of mine..

"Beware applicants looking to work on a Catamaran, The Cat VI running out of the Marriott at Frenchman's Reef is a scam. They are using people for 2 weeks with no tips calling it "training" and then dismissing. It's a revolving door there with no respect for hard work l, you can see for yourself by how much they post for hire ads cling they can train anyone that's willing looks like:

VERY BUSY (we operate 365 days a year) catamaran seeking full-time crew.
Compensation is per charter and candidates need to be available to work days, evenings, weekends and holidays.

Experience in the marine industry is welcomed, but not necessary. Crew must participate in APCA drug consortium.

Will train applicants that want to learn and after training period trainees need to be able to perform required tasks in a timely fashion.

Our goal is to find people who enjoy showing guests a fun and safe experience.

To apply; email resume, including experience and a photo. Must currently live on St. Thomas, USVI.

We are looking to hire immediately so apply soon! Thank you."

 
Posted : May 26, 2016 5:52 pm
(@alana33)
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Hah!
Well, when you get here, you can check them out since they're only hiring people actually on island.

 
Posted : May 26, 2016 5:57 pm
(@ms411)
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I know a few people who work for The Cat, and they have been there for more than 2 weeks. They are smart, caring people. I think they left other positions to work on The Cat. I sometimes see one of them at our post office or on the road, so will ask what it's like to work there.

The day sails I wasn't particularly impressed with are ones where the crew doesn't engage with the guests. Those are the ones who don't last long.

 
Posted : May 26, 2016 6:15 pm
(@caribstx)
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I always thought the "no pay training period" was standard practice in the day sail business. Here on STX, it used to be quite common among the charter operators. I'm not defending it, just acknowledging that it did exist as several of my kid's friends experienced it.

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 11:29 am
(@ms411)
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The practice is pretty standard, but the disgruntled person expected to be hired after training but was not, based on my understanding.

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 12:11 pm
(@STTsailor)
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It is a screening process to be a deck hand. Customer service skills screening. Mandatory drug testing. Some are bound to fail.

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 1:19 pm
(@ByeByeTexas)
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A screening process is completely understood and expected. I figured the CL ad was from someone that just didn't make it though the initial process for whatever reason and not an umbrella statement.. Thanks for the clarity.

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 1:36 pm
(@speee1dy)
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is " no pay training" legal? i had never heard of that in other fields. other than interns which is different

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 1:46 pm
(@the-oldtart)
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is " no pay training" legal? i had never heard of that in other fields. other than interns which is different

This gives a comprehensive overview - second section on "pre-employment training" likely applies to this case:
http://www.askamanager.org/2015/01/do-we-have-to-pay-new-hires-for-training-time.html

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 1:50 pm
(@speee1dy)
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that was interesting, thanks

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 1:57 pm
(@ms411)
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That raises more issues. Training has to benefit employee not employer among other things. That type of law doesn't seem compatible with VI employment law. I may ask my friends with local Labor experience what local law is.

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 2:27 pm
(@the-oldtart)
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I may ask my friends with local Labor experience what local law is.

Better to ask a local attorney who specializes in labor laws and be sure to stress that this is applicable not to those already hired but is strictly volunteer pre-employment training.

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 2:57 pm
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That's exactly what I'm going to do.

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 3:10 pm
(@the-oldtart)
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Will look forward to the information being posted.

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 3:14 pm
(@ms411)
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I may not post it. If somebody needs to know, they should contact an attorney, though I will post if I find out anything from Labor. I've been wondering about it for a few years, so I guess it's time to get the facts just to satisfy my curiosity.

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 3:47 pm
(@the-oldtart)
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I may not post it. .

Oh, OK.

Here's the contact info if you or anyone else needs or wants it:
http://www.vidol.gov/contact_us.php

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 4:04 pm
(@ms411)
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I'll go down there and talk to someone in person.

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 4:08 pm
(@G_Dub_Ya)
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The CL ad says "no tips". I think we might be missing something here. I worked on a boat from 2005-2006 and the company had a probationary period (I think it was 30 days) where I did not collect tips during this training phase. I was still paid an hourly wage, however.

Very well could be that the CL poster was not the right fit for the position and was "dismissed."

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 5:43 pm
(@the-oldtart)
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It also says, "Experience in the marine industry is welcomed, but not necessary. Crew must participate in APCA drug consortium.

Will train applicants that want to learn and after training period trainees need to be able to perform required tasks in a timely fashion."

 
Posted : May 27, 2016 5:46 pm
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