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nforbes
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sand bar is a GREAT place...just gotta know how to work it. they want like $375K for it though...not worth it, in my opinion. link below. people WILL come to Fsted if there's something happening - just need that special something 🙂

http://caribbean.craigslist.org/bfs/1281336390.html

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Posted : July 24, 2009 6:38 pm
stephaniev
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and thus a nother idea is born! exactly our sentiments-the fix is,a free ride to and from the bar via bus/van just set up sign up sheets and phone number to call to reserve a spot! I saw STIXX up for sale too,wow what a find that place is in the perfect spot! and--the free ride there for cruise passengers!!

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Topic starter Posted : July 24, 2009 6:46 pm
trw
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stixx IS a great place,but right now it needs work,back in the 70's it was a hot spot and now it's just a zoo, they have bars everywhere so it's like going to the zoo and watching the drunks,hahahahaha,you want to feed them,but with the upstairs you could do shows and stuff

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Posted : July 24, 2009 6:53 pm
trw
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the thing you need to worry about though is noise after 11pm, the hotel caravelle owners are the biggest whiners downtown about noise after 11,and face it the night really gets started here after 11they are the ones that complained all the time about parrots cove wah wah wah

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Posted : July 24, 2009 6:59 pm
stephaniev
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yeah,we've seen it needs some deep cleaning and "Dennis touch" he's OCD about everything! we've had the po po at our door more than once so we'll try to behave-promises though!

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Topic starter Posted : July 24, 2009 7:02 pm
Betty
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Its not like stt, we don't get many cruise ships at all. Right now its just once every two weeks. We just got them back this year and there's not much of a guarantee they will keep coming here yet. To be a success as a bar or restaurant here you MUST cater to the locals first. We don't have enough tourism to keep you afloat otherwise.

Opening in f'sted is very risky. People have less income to waste out there so you have to be priced right. People that live center and east will rarely drive all the way west. I know they may sound silly to someone who doesn't live here but its the way it is.

Running on generators will not save you anything and the noise would drive most away. To run a generator like that gas and repairs would usually equal or exceed wapa.

There are so many headaches running a bar down here like trw said, owners wait for the tourist with a dream. Stateside experience will help but its just not the same. Manage a restaurant or wait or bartend here for a year and get a feel for the headaches then risk your money. I promise you you will not regret that. If nothing else you can network and build up a clientele for when you do open.

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Posted : July 24, 2009 7:02 pm
Betty
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Frankly I thought parrots cove was WAY too loud. I don't know how any of those hotels downtown keep any customers. Do the restaurants have more rights to keep their customer then the hotels? I heard that some people were mad about that but it made no sense to me.

Actually I thought it was pretty funny that now Mahi (former parrots owners) turn it down way early then before now that they are in a hotel....

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Posted : July 24, 2009 7:05 pm
stephaniev
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I do haveliving knowledge of STX , I have NO intention of relying on tourism it's practicly dead,but w/the ships still coming to F'sted a free van ride to and from could conjure some interest when they go back home and talk about our place and how it was a free ride and everything,plus they get to see the other part of the island with out paying a taxi. I understand the risks,we're just crazy like this! take the plunge and see what happens,at least we can say in (20yrs) that we did it! it's all about the adventure,isn't that the island motto of island living?

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Topic starter Posted : July 24, 2009 7:08 pm
stephaniev
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LOVE the sand bar-too $$$$ any one know the owner and have #?

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Topic starter Posted : July 24, 2009 7:09 pm
trw
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yes the cove was way too loud at times,but there needs to be a give and take,at least on weekends,4am on weekends is not unreasonable at all shut down by 11 sun-thurs and 4am on fri and sat,those danes don't spend that much money anywhere outside of caravelle and rumrunners so there fore they don't count all that much

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Posted : July 24, 2009 7:14 pm
DixieChick
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chicken charlies is for sale i think. at least it was. good bar but not in town. depends on what kind of crowd you want. remember most leave town before 9 at night so maybe being out would be better.

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Posted : July 24, 2009 7:24 pm
stephaniev
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I can't even concieve the thought of 4am! but that's why i'll be on the day shift! well,we'll see what happens! gotta wait to present it to the partners! cross your fingers!!!

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Topic starter Posted : July 24, 2009 7:25 pm
stephaniev
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gotta sign off for awhile,charge my laptop! please talk amongst yourselves,inside voices please!! ttyl

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Topic starter Posted : July 24, 2009 7:27 pm
Juanita
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trw, Where is your usual good common sense? 4:00 AM is OK because the Danes don't spend money outside the Caravelle/RR and they don't count??? Wrong on several levels, but since we are talking about loud music.... Loud music outside anyone's bedroom at 4:00 AM is not acceptable.

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Posted : July 24, 2009 7:29 pm
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i still say you need to be downtown,not too far east or too far west,and when i was drinking downtown was empty at 9 because the night had not started yet,oh therestaurants had people but the bars did not fill till 11 or later which is why 54 does not open till around 10 pm

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Posted : July 24, 2009 7:29 pm
Betty
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4am??? Ok I've worked in hotels as long almost as long as you've worked in restaurants and I gotta say 4 am is way way too late even on the weekends. What time do they stop now at Chenay? 12am on fri and sat. People come here to party but when you're paying money for a room, most (not all) want it quiet in their room. Luckily I got out of hotel business in CA but I can tell you there is NO way 4am would fly.
You would have guests crawling up your a$$ to complain, making your life a nightmare....seriously....lol

I would say at 12 the bar should just turn it down a bit. Make it so you don't have to shout to talk. Lets face it, its not like we got a ton of great musicians here. We've got Kurt and Mercy, both really good but Kurt hardly works and Mercy's one dude and he plays a little everywhere.

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Posted : July 24, 2009 7:31 pm
Betty
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Chicken charlies second incarnation seems to have made themselves a retirees/winter resident bar and now that summers here and the winter residents are gone it seems like they are really really hurting. Few times I've gone in there this spring summer it always seems really really dead. Never a good idea to cater to just one group on such a small island.

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Posted : July 24, 2009 7:37 pm
trw
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jeez you 2 read my lastpost i said fri and sat night,during the week 11,4am on fri and sat is not unreasonable, there needs to be a common ground

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Posted : July 24, 2009 7:41 pm
trw
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and why do i feel embattled, the danes that come here stay at caravelle, get deals at rumrunners and bombay,they really do nothing as a group for the rest of thje island they're on a package tour i'd rather have the hess turn around guys,at least they spend money,the danes don't put cash in my pocket unless i autograt them

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Posted : July 24, 2009 7:52 pm
nforbes
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Kendricks is for sale...awesome restaurant, gorgeous courtyard, indoor area as well...
http://caribbean.craigslist.org/bfs/1283346734.html

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Posted : July 24, 2009 8:56 pm
Betty
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trw, I don't understand what's the common ground? 11pm to 4 am is so far apart. Last time I spoke to Elsie over at Caravelle she said they have lost several of the large danish groups, they are really hurting. The also lost the feds because of parrots cove. Elsie is such a sweet lady, that one restaurant has really hurt them. I know you're part of the restaurant crowd that seems to hate them but try seeing the other side. They did not put parrots cove out of business. Drugs and lack of money did that, while parrots cove signicficantly hurt Caravelle.

While the danes may not be big tippers they bring a lot of money to the hotels and tour operators which keep a lot of people employed. I'm kinda of shocked at your attitude.

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Posted : July 24, 2009 9:14 pm
Michaelds9
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I was in the Caravelle the night cove opened-on the far side.
I went straight to the desk and said that place would put them outa buiz really quick.
The right to swing your arms about madly stops at the end of my nose ....
and the right to make obscene amounts of noise should follow the same logic.

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Posted : July 24, 2009 11:21 pm
trw
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all i'm saying is downtown bars need to be open late night on wkends,not during the week,there needs to be a compromise.11pm during the week and quiet and 4 am fri and sat

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Posted : July 24, 2009 11:47 pm
Uttica
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With the economy finally making a recovery, it's (hopefully) a good sign for the VI. St. Croix's only reliable vacationers in recent months/years has been the Danes. To see a poster say about the Danes, "they really do nothing as a group for the rest of thje island" (silent j) and later says, "the danes don't put cash in my pocket unless i autograt them" has to be one of the dumbest statements I have ever read on this message board.

Just because YOU may not be making a buck in these trying times doesn't mean that the owners and employees of Caravelle, Rum Runners and Bombay should suffer. They worked hard to get a niche as a Danish vacation site and should be applauded for bringing vacationers to the Territory. More hotels/restaurants should look to them as leaders.

YOU may not be getting "cash in your pocket" directly, but the hard working employees, who depend on the Danes, spend their cash in your restaurants, paying your salaries and tips.

Next time you see a Dane, walk up and say "Goddag".

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Posted : July 25, 2009 12:18 am
trw
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um uttica it doesn' t work that way trust me,nobody benefits from the danes except caravelle,rumrunners and bombay on mon night,they have a deal with these places,they are here on a package tour

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Posted : July 25, 2009 12:27 am
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