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dougtamjj
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I don't see any economic recovery going on here in southeastern US. Very dismal here even though we have 5 huge military bases. People who have some cash are buying up houses so that is having some impact. The stock market is up a bit but they are the ones who got us into this mess so who trusts that.

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Posted : July 25, 2009 12:51 am
Paula
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I'm feeling kinda sorry for Stephaniev. I'm seeing a Don't Stop the Carnival experience in their future....;)

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Posted : July 25, 2009 1:03 am
Uttica
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TRW: um uttica it doesn' t work that way trust me,nobody benefits from the danes except caravelle,rumrunners and bombay on mon night,they have a deal with these places,they are here on a package tour

So, since you are doing poorly in this economy no one else should be able to make a buck on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc.. Not the owners/employees of Caravelle, Rum Runners or Bombay.

I guess those owners/employees who make a buck off the Danes don't spend the money they make here, huh?

I can guarantee you, STX would be in a much better economic state had they not lost the direct flight to Denmark that they had three (or was it four?) years ago.

The Danes may have bought "packages", but the hotels and restaurants (that were smart enough to look to the future), along with the black sock factories, made money off the "packages" that trickled down to YOU as you were busing tables.

Did YOU buy gas, groceries, eat at restaurants, pay tips, when the Danes were in town?

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Posted : July 25, 2009 2:14 am
Michaelds9
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trw you are correct to defend you rights?
Do you have a right to impose upon other people's rights?
Lot of people work (or did) at the Caravelle.
Don't they have rights?
Doesn't Chris have a right to make money in his establishment AND pay the folks who need the jobs he provides?
Does a new buiz - PC - have the right to come in and destroy the buiz that been around and contributing for decades?

How selfish can you be?

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Posted : July 25, 2009 2:39 am
trw
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you all are still missing the point,2 nights a week till 4am fri and sat nights,thats it.compromise

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Posted : July 25, 2009 8:11 am
trw
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and will you people get off my back,the danes do nothing for me,oh maybe indirectly for the economy,but nothing for me personnally,and back to the convo at hand,we still need a nice decent4am place on wkends,with music

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Posted : July 25, 2009 8:19 am
Ric
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The problem is not really the music or bars being open until 4 pm. Even in Louisville KY, bars are open late on weekends. The problem, IMO is that these venues are open-air.

The very loud music that Parrot's Cove featured was a significant departure from previous uses. Of course it would have impacted the Caravelle. And I don't think the noise issues were the reason it closed, poor food and service certainly contributed.

TRW suggested a compromise, but I don't think this location is a good spot for loud music late at night, period.

I often wonder if anyone does any type of market research before entering into ventures like Parrots Cove. When considering music, especially the type and at the volume they featured, did they not look around and say, hey, maybe the neighboring hotel should be a factor in our plans?

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Posted : July 25, 2009 9:28 am
trw
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of course they didn't,we all know that,jack was seeing dollarsigns,and it backfired,old timerstell me there was a great music scene back here in the 70's downtown,i still say we need a late night place on weekends downtown on the water other than 54 with live music,other than that i'm kinda bitter with this board and i'm not going to post for awhile,you know i asked for help with my homeless guys and only rotorhead and his lovely wife helped me out,no one else other than my "regular" customers at work could be bothered.

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Posted : July 25, 2009 9:40 am
Irijah
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greetings and good morning

hope ur having a good morning betty....in an above post you said..."Lets face it, its not like we got a ton of great musicians here."

i do not mean to be presumptuous, but, i beg to differ...

you have from or originating from the USVI...JUST in the reggae venue...(and MOST still live on the islands).

Abadan
Abja
Ancient King
Ankh Watep
Army
Bashan
Batch
Bambu Station
Binghi Ghost
Black Culture
Bobo Ites
Cripleton
Danny I
De Apostle
Demac
Dezarie
Donny Dread
Eno
Fire King
Ganjahle
Iba
Ibednego
Ikahba
Inner Visions
Issachar
Jahcob Seed
Jahman
Junior P
Katalyss
Mada Nile
Mash
Massiah
Masta Chang
Midnite
Mystical Youth
Natty Empress
NiyoRah
Nyingro
Positively Nelsons
Pressure
Rafijah
Ras Bumpa
Ras Attitude
Reggae Bubblers
Revalation
Ronnie Benjamin
Sabbattical Ahdah
Sekhu
Shepard
Sistah Joyce
Star Lion Family
The Great Abu
Umojah
Vaughn Benjamin
Volcano
Willmore Daniel
Willow
XKaliba
Yahadanai
Yah Shiloh I

and the above are bands that have recorded.

then you have all the pan bands, ska bands, latino bands, soca bands, the philharmonic band, jazz bands, people that play for tourist bands....there is a plethora of musical talent that would make any owner happy to have them play at a club...and would draw a crowd.

just my humble opinion.

bless

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Posted : July 25, 2009 10:41 am
terry
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Maybe Betty meant band that people would go sit and listen to.
While many of these bands may be good, IYHO, if they were marketable, the bars would have them so crowds would come.

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Posted : July 25, 2009 1:16 pm
Irijah
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oh, and TRW....
your friend is right...in the 70's there was a huge music scene on the island...bands played all the time...and there were different kinds of clubs...there were even dancehall vibes...but for the life of me i cannot remember the name...i just went and skanked all night long...another thing...it is the caribbean...why would people on vacation or out for a good time want to hear nothing but a piano player or a bar singer? i would want to experience things that were not a constant at home...and downtown c'sted was poppin in the 70's and early 80's for sure...from what i read now to what i lived then is a big difference fi true...
i have all the pants and some shirts gathered trw...but i cannot afford to send them until september...did not want you to think i told a tale.
and even though we do not always agree....you are one dayam funny guy.

bless

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Posted : July 25, 2009 1:22 pm
Betty
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What I meant Irjah is that we have extremely few bands that live here and play regularly. We were talking about a problem about noise I don't know why you thought I was talking about the history of the islands and every band that had ever played here. But reggae bands do not play on the boardwalk. They always want to start at 12am so its kinda a hard thing to book. It was one of the things that closed down the old cane bay bar (about 3 or 4 years ago) because they always started at 12 and finished around 4am and the residents just weren't having it.

This brings us back to what trw feels is a comprise. I'm truly not trying to jump down your throat trw. But I think what everyone is saying is that 4am is simply not a compromise at all unless you're a vampire. If our downtown was more like Charlotte Amalie and mainly commerical on king and company it might work. But you have hotels and residentals on those streets as well. I KNOW most of those people don't want music till 4 am EVEN if it's JUST on Friday and Saturday. 🙂 If I had to listen to loud music till 4am two nights a week I would without a doubt end up in jail because I would kill someone.

As far as the other stuff about no one helping with your homeless guy, well I think you were just having a bad night. Its kinda like saying people are chartible because the didn't help with your charity.

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Posted : July 25, 2009 2:58 pm
islandtyme
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TRW.....I agree with you on the Danes tight wallets!!! They are cheap cheap cheap. They will beat you down on the price of something and still walk. The hotels and tours are getting some of their money.....restaurants too, but the server will run his/her legs off for a lame tip....the shop keepers will get bartered down almost to the point of paying them to take the souvenir! Don't get me wrong, they do help out the economy.....but not enough to totally support all the retailers, restaurants, hotels & attractions.

Now if the club or bar was sound proof (ha ha) I could see it being open late......

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Posted : July 25, 2009 4:55 pm
Betty
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I think most of you know this, but I think some don't. In Europe waiters don't get tips usually. They are paid a wage or salary and everything's included. Here the customers tip. Its one of those things that most Europeans and Americans don't know when they go on vacation. So places like Rumrunners allow their waiters to include tip in the bill. They may also be cheap but this is a problem I know I encountered when I waited tables with Europeans.

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Posted : July 25, 2009 5:07 pm
Linda from Michigan
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Aren't we expected to "when in Rome do as the Romans" when we travel to another country? Aren't we expected to be aware as not to make a cultural faux pas? I don't accept that as a valid excuse.

As for the loud music till 4 am - aren't there still a warehouse or two across from the seaplane? Couldn't someone renovate one of those and soundproof? I know it's not the same as being on the waterfront and chillin on the boardwalk, but it's a thought.

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Posted : July 25, 2009 6:26 pm
Betty
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Please...how well do you research other countries customs before you go? How likely are you to uncover all the little details. The are so many minor differences between, Americans, Europeons and Australians. Americans make plenty of mistakes when we travel abroad. I think we need to make allowances for them, since they're bringing us money!!!

The Danes bring in a lot of good money. And not just to downtown c'sted they stay in hotels all over the island. They plan to send more tourists, they filmed several documentarys of the islands this year, its our responsiblity as a tourist spot to cater TO THEM. Restaurants could easy just add the tip on to any bill, it would be very simple. They would just need to example tip is added in to their bill for the ones that do know to tip.

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Posted : July 25, 2009 7:16 pm
Linda from Michigan
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I'm spending a month next year in Santorini. I've studied extensively already. Learning what to and what not to do. Where to go, when to go , what to wear so as not to offend, the best/safest way to get around, where to stay, their customs, what terms and words to avoid. I'm even learning Italian to make my trip easier. Maybe I am different from most travelers, but I think not.

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Posted : July 25, 2009 8:03 pm
Irijah
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betty said:

"...We were talking about a problem about noise I don't know why you thought I was talking about the history of the islands and every band that had ever played here."

that's not what i said betty...i said that those bands i listed for the MOST part all live on the islands...most of them on st. croix. and they ARE marketable as they have all recorded AND have a HUGE following...and that utilizing local bands would provide a variety...i said nothing about the noise...nor was i giving a history of music on the island thank you.

talk about ones on here getting snotty...i know i can OCCASIONALLY be a snot...but it is not a constant in my personality.

you seem to always be negative about everything betty...no one can make an innocent remark or conversation that you do not add negativity too...just the way i see it...and when one of us makes a comment that you do not agree with you belittle the person...this board is kinda sorta with many on here, a clique, and if ones are not on the clique list...too bad for them.

some of you would scare someone away with the nastiness that is spewed...again, i am not blameless either at TIMES.

everyone on here is not white, privileged or rich...and other people have intelligence, wit, opinions...and others have lived on the islands for great lengths of time...they have knowledge and information about those times as well..and the island was NOT like it is now...it was BETTER...and your supercilious attitude cannot change that.

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Posted : July 25, 2009 8:35 pm
Juanita
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Linda, That sounds like a great trip. It's good that you have the time, resources and interest to research so well. I'm sure the locals will appreciate your efforts. I am more than equally sure that they will welcome your dollars, even if you speak in English. I also agree with Betty. Most people don't do that much research. Just think of it, before we all had access to 24 hour Internet, we had to rely on a few books, travel magazines (which are usually outdated), etc., but we were welcome (for the most part) in foreign countries when we didn't even know the exchange rate.

This got kicked around a few months back. I still say that as the host, it is our responsibility to be gracious to our guests, and if they don't know our customs, help them to understand. It's easy enough to include a gratuity on a check. They are used to it. A shopkeeper can just say no once the haggling gets to their bottom line. It's probably some of their research that has given them the idea to haggle in the first place. The shops could carry a small line of inexpensive items just for those that can't, or won't, pay for the quality items.

Money from tourists isn't free money by any means. A lot of people work very hard to accommodate, and provide for, visitors. It is, however, money from outside our community coming into our community. That is a good thing!

But back to stephaniev's post...I think if you want to do a 4 am bar with live music, it should be more contained than and open-air venue, which will disturb the neighbors. Also, stephanie, you have mentioned cruise ship passengers several times. The ships usually leave port around 5:00 PM. Sure you know that, but it hasn't been mentioned. I just overheard a bit of conversation today about a restaurant that is for sale. Lots of problems with permits, even though it has already been in business. The current owner has grandfathered privileges that don't convey. Another thought is to hook up with an existing business on a partnership basis. I wouldn't go partners with my best friend, but it works for some. I'm betting there are several businesses that would welcome the boost that a partner's money and talents would bring. Just a thought, and one that would need careful consideration, but a thought. Good luck.

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Posted : July 25, 2009 9:21 pm
Betty
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Irjah said:
"everyone on here is not white, privileged or rich"

Don't really think I feel like arguing with a racist. But just to get your facts straight dear, I'm not white or rich but I was graced with more intelligence then some others.

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Posted : July 25, 2009 9:34 pm
Lizard
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Sbagliando S'impara!

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Posted : July 25, 2009 10:20 pm
Linda from Michigan
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molto allineare

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Posted : July 26, 2009 1:30 am
Lizard
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Se Scrivo in itilian I cant accusato di essere uno bing prepotente! Non vogliamo pensare a chivnque di gettare sabbia im nella sabbia.

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Posted : July 26, 2009 2:08 am
Linda from Michigan
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Only those that know Italian could accuse you of that. I don't see you fitting in any box - let alone a sand box!

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Posted : July 26, 2009 3:27 am
Lizard
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Oh, ma uno studioso costituzionale e in inglese!

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