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Bombi
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I just hope they don't screw up the deal, the petroleum economy is suspect at best but having the export tax eliminated in the budget deal adds another level of interest. The refinery just needs a cost effective energy source to be viable.

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Posted : December 18, 2015 10:43 pm
singlefin
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Thank you once again Carl!
There are several regular posters here who undoubtedly have their own personal agendas on various issues, but political discussions usually brings out the worst of them. Sifting through the various threads of intrest on this site, and finding enlightened, unbiased responses, are truly a breath of freash air. Posters like yourself, as well as a few others, are the only reason I continue to return to this sight.

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Posted : December 19, 2015 3:34 am
Dante
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That's depressing!

It is - but I think the point is that the situation in the USVI isn't unusual. I think a lot of those who move here are really never much involved in local politics stateside but in such a small community here it's pretty much "in your face" and unavoidable. A lot of misinformation gets disseminated on this forum and much of it is, I think, based on an assumption that the shenanigans that go on here are unique to the territory when of course they're not - by a long stretch.

(tu)

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Posted : December 19, 2015 12:48 pm
Beeski
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I almost never express an opinion--and certainly not on politics.....This is one of those posts I know I should avoid....but here goes....

In addition to the VI, I've lived in New York (Rochester and New York City), DC, New Mexico and Boston. NM and Mass. were ok. But the legislatures in New York and DC were (and I believe still are) FAR, FAR, FAR worse than the VI. Pick any scale....stupid comments, cluelessness, criminality, self-interest, number of officials in jail, amount of damage done....ANY scale. You would not believe the number of NYS legislators that went to jail this year -- even the ex-speaker was convicted. And I'm told it is much worse in Chicago, Louisiana, Florida and now Wisconsin -- don't know for sure.

The problem here is that you are actually paying attention to what happens in politics and what people say. You actually pay attention here. Politicians are worse here??? Geez....watch the DC local news sometime....it makes the VI legislature look like Harvard.

I'll pile on.
In my in-laws West Texas county, the local govt has borrowed to the hilt to build a rodeo / convention center which is used one week a year, and a $12million high school football stadium for a losing program.
My Mom lives in a Central NJ town which borrowed $40mil to build a Taj Mahal High School, property taxes are now 10 times the tax rate in the VI.
It happens everywhere.

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Posted : December 19, 2015 12:59 pm
CruzanIron
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I almost never express an opinion--and certainly not on politics.....This is one of those posts I know I should avoid....but here goes....

In addition to the VI, I've lived in New York (Rochester and New York City), DC, New Mexico and Boston. NM and Mass. were ok. But the legislatures in New York and DC were (and I believe still are) FAR, FAR, FAR worse than the VI. Pick any scale....stupid comments, cluelessness, criminality, self-interest, number of officials in jail, amount of damage done....ANY scale. You would not believe the number of NYS legislators that went to jail this year -- even the ex-speaker was convicted. And I'm told it is much worse in Chicago, Louisiana, Florida and now Wisconsin -- don't know for sure.

The problem here is that you are actually paying attention to what happens in politics and what people say. You actually pay attention here. Politicians are worse here??? Geez....watch the DC local news sometime....it makes the VI legislature look like Harvard.

I'll pile on.
In my in-laws West Texas county, the local govt has borrowed to the hilt to build a rodeo / convention center which is used one week a year, and a $12million high school football stadium for a losing program.
My Mom lives in a Central NJ town which borrowed $40mil to build a Taj Mahal High School, property taxes are now 10 times the tax rate in the VI.
It happens everywhere.

$15,000.00 a year in property taxes? Which county is this in?

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Posted : December 19, 2015 5:47 pm
singlefin
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15k a year is probably about average today on much of Long Island NY.
It's insane.

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Posted : December 19, 2015 7:15 pm
DanielB_STX
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singlefin is correct...........

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Posted : December 19, 2015 8:10 pm
Beeski
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$15,000.00 a year in property taxes? Which county is this in?

Somerset and Mercer.
Common property tax rates in NJ, NY and CT

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Posted : December 19, 2015 11:14 pm
singlefin
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Anyone hear any news on the Legislatures STX meeting today? Any date set for the vote?

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Posted : December 22, 2015 1:27 am
Alana33
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Daily News has an article today about how long the hearing on STX lasted (into early morning hours) but can't access it as yet. Will post link when it becomes available.

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Posted : December 22, 2015 8:54 am
Beeski
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Here is a link to Legislature TV.
http://livestream.com/accounts/5860719/events/3733657

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Posted : December 22, 2015 9:13 am
ms411
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The story is in both Daily News and Avis. I didn't get a chance to read it all, but the first several paragraphs quoted those opposed to the deal, with Adelbert Bryan's opposition cited.

Hopefully the senators will mostly vote yes, regardless of public opinion.

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Topic starter Posted : December 22, 2015 11:46 am
islandjoan
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I watched a couple of hours of it last night, it was on channel 5 legit (Innovative carries it)

It will probably be rerun for a couple of days, not sure exactly when.

Towards the end I believe Neville James stated that they would vote today.

This is history in the making. Wish we all had a crystal ball to see what impact it will have on the future of STX, the VI, and all who live here.

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Posted : December 22, 2015 12:17 pm
Alana33
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Daily News link still not available but here's VI Consortium's article:
http://viconsortium.com/business/vialet-on-arclightgvi-hovensa-deal-a-bird-in-hand-is-better-than-two-in-the-bush/

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Posted : December 22, 2015 12:31 pm
janeinstx
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hearing

All 10 hours of it....

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Posted : December 22, 2015 1:24 pm
singlefin
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"Indicators, however, point towards the landmark deal’s approval."

The Consortium article sounds positive.
Let's all hope for a real Christmas miricle!

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Posted : December 22, 2015 2:25 pm
islandjoan
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So I guess I heard it wrong in the hearing. I thought I heard Neville James say they would vote today.

But according to the Avis it looks like they might not vote today.

I only watched until midnight and the Avis story says the meeting adjourned at 1:53 am

Senate President Neville James said the Legislature will take action on the proposed operating agreement during legislative session, which is currently in recess. He said the date on which it will commence will be announced. "Senators will vote their conscience at the appropriate time" he said.

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Posted : December 22, 2015 2:27 pm
Alana33
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janeinstx
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:S. I'm a glutton for punishment. I watched all the way thru the first time and then watched again a select 4 or 5 hours....

Here's the Daily News article:
http://virginislandsdailynews.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/iphone/homepage.aspx#_article1feda601-d8cc-4e64-bd13-f386ad2866e8/waarticle1feda601-d8cc-4e64-bd13-f386ad2866e8/1feda601-d8cc-4e64-bd13-f386ad2866e8/0/true

I can't watch 10 hours of a legislative hearing.

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Posted : December 22, 2015 4:31 pm
islandjoan
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I watched about 3 hours of it....

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Posted : December 22, 2015 4:32 pm
singlefin
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Bryan wants 100% "bonifide VI residents" only working there. What exactly is that?
And, under what rock did these "intrested parties" crawl out from under?
Joshua Simcoe
VI Refining
Freedom NY
The Daily News photo of the "people in attendance" last night, looked like very few showed on behalf of STX.
This is all political grandstanding!

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Posted : December 22, 2015 4:45 pm
OldTart
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Bryan wants 100% "bonifide VI residents" only working there. What exactly is that?!

It's a LONG story spanning several decades, part of his schtick. Google his name and you'll find a bunch of information about him.

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Posted : December 22, 2015 4:53 pm
Alana33
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I'm not exactly thrilled with ALL of the 100% exemptions listed.
It adds up over a 25 yr. period.
90 - 95% (or less) I can see but the 100% makes me shake my head.
Then divide the money were getting over that same period.

Wonder how much Mapp made.
You can bet he got something.
Nature of the beast.

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Posted : December 22, 2015 6:10 pm
IslandHops
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I watched/listened to it all. No idea how they selected the 6 individuals from the general public who were allowed to testify. Not sure how you allow only 6, yet Malone can call it "democratic due process". There were very few moments of clarity. One in particular is that day 1 we will likely be losing jobs, not gaining them.

Last year I thought ABR was a 70/30 probability - I was wrong.

This year I'd say Limetree has better odds - but....

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Posted : December 22, 2015 6:25 pm
monogram
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I watched/listened to it all. No idea how they selected the 6 individuals from the general public who were allowed to testify. Not sure how you allow only 6, yet Malone can call it "democratic due process".

Agreed. They didn't articulate their arguments well. 🙁 Sen. O'Reilly excoriated one of them for not having read the agreements. Funny.

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Posted : December 22, 2015 6:40 pm
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