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October 15, 2018 11:34 am  

I'm really just looking for somewhere that is reasonably warm in the winter but not susceptible to hurricanes, tornadoes or frequent natural disasters..

A tall order, I know.


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October 15, 2018 2:29 pm  

Let us know when you find it!

I'm really just looking for somewhere that is reasonably warm in the winter but not susceptible to hurricanes, tornadoes or frequent natural disasters..

A tall order, I know.


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October 15, 2018 4:12 pm  

Innovate, don’t Incinerate! Environmental Justice Groups Call on Int’l finance Institutions to Support Zero Waste Solutions.

http://www.no-burn.org/ifi/

We fought hard against the WTE plant they planned to build on STX.


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October 16, 2018 3:53 pm  

Weather cycles change every 25-30 years some more often, some less frequent. Do humans have something to do with it, probably, but it's a lot less then nature. Whether humans are here or not, the whether would still have changing cycles. Will it get worse YES, will it get worse more often YES, because that is the cycle that we are in until the next Ice age comes, and it will come. That weather analogy you can take to the bank. There's nothing anyone can do about it, Makes you feel helpless doesn't it? So all the climate change promoters will have to accept this at least for the next few thousands of years, which is what it would take for any minimal change.


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October 16, 2018 4:55 pm  

What you described is climate change so I guess you are one of those climate change promoters you reference.

Weather cycles change every 25-30 years some more often, some less frequent. Do humans have something to do with it, probably, but it's a lot less then nature. Whether humans are here or not, the whether would still have changing cycles. Will it get worse YES, will it get worse more often YES, because that is the cycle that we are in until the next Ice age comes, and it will come. That weather analogy you can take to the bank. There's nothing anyone can do about it, Makes you feel helpless doesn't it? So all the climate change promoters will have to accept this at least for the next few thousands of years, which is what it would take for any minimal change.


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October 17, 2018 12:01 pm  

It really is quite arrogant of any of us to believe we can halt climate change. The planet has been heating and cooling for billiins of years, well before a single human footprint ever existed. As the old adage goes, “The only constant in this world, is change.”
Banning plastic bags and straws might make some people feel better, but the bottom line is that one volcanic eruption will produce more pollutants and greenhouse gasses than all the bags and straws ever produced in all of human history!
Have you read about the sole House left standing in Mexico Beach in Florida after the last hurricane hit. It was the only one built like most of the newer houses here, out of reinforced cement. The article was in The NY Times, so I know the liberal leaning posters here must have seen it. The moral of the story is that we need to properly prepare for inevitable climate change. It’s happening, no matter what our species bans, produces, or uses. The best we can do is follow the advice of the Boy Scouts and... be prepared!


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October 17, 2018 2:42 pm  

What you described is climate change so I guess you are one of those climate change promoters you reference.

Weather cycles change every 25-30 years some more often, some less frequent. Do humans have something to do with it, probably, but it's a lot less then nature. Whether humans are here or not, the whether would still have changing cycles. Will it get worse YES, will it get worse more often YES, because that is the cycle that we are in until the next Ice age comes, and it will come. That weather analogy you can take to the bank. There's nothing anyone can do about it, Makes you feel helpless doesn't it? So all the climate change promoters will have to accept this at least for the next few thousands of years, which is what it would take for any minimal change.

Yes Gator, I'm a firm believer in climate change, but not global warming or man made climate change like liberals want everyone to believe.

I'm WAY more concerned with what is going to happen when the oil dries up. Wind, solar nor batteries will take the place of it, no matter what people think. It might make you sleep better at night though.


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October 17, 2018 3:30 pm  

So if you fear the depletion of accessible oil reserves - wouldn't the same green strategies touted as slowing global warming and reducing trash be effective at conserving these reserves?

Such as
smaller or electric cars use less carbon fuel
Fewer plastic products mean less petroleum is directed toward their manufacture
Wind, solar and other renewable energy sources reduce dependence on carbon energy

Hydrogen combined with solar power are the future for homes and cars. Check out FSU research. Back when I worked for the big power company this had the engineers' attention. That and nuclear, of course.

What you described is climate change so I guess you are one of those climate change promoters you reference.

Weather cycles change every 25-30 years some more often, some less frequent. Do humans have something to do with it, probably, but it's a lot less then nature. Whether humans are here or not, the whether would still have changing cycles. Will it get worse YES, will it get worse more often YES, because that is the cycle that we are in until the next Ice age comes, and it will come. That weather analogy you can take to the bank. There's nothing anyone can do about it, Makes you feel helpless doesn't it? So all the climate change promoters will have to accept this at least for the next few thousands of years, which is what it would take for any minimal change.

Yes Gator, I'm a firm believer in climate change, but not global warming or man made climate change like liberals want everyone to believe.

I'm WAY more concerned with what is going to happen when the oil dries up. Wind, solar nor batteries will take the place of it, no matter what people think. It might make you sleep better at night though.


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October 18, 2018 1:57 am  

It really is quite arrogant of any of us to believe we can halt climate change.

Halt it no. But if humans are responsible for accelerating it seems to reason that humans should be able to reduce the acceleration. Doesn't mean reducing the impact can't coexist with some preparation. Bags and straws are more of an impact to sea life than climate change.


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October 18, 2018 3:11 am  

and oxygen. That’s prettty important for humans.

They’ve seen plankton eating microplastic. Plankton and algae accounts for over 70% of the planets oxygen. Keep killing it off and we’re all done for. People who don’t think it’s bad just aren’t educated enough.

Those who don’t believe in anthropogenic climate change need to research ocean acidification. This has never happened in tens of millions of years. We’re not taking about the cyclical seasons here lol. Too many people hear climate change and say sure, it’s always changing. That is TRUE however it isn’t the RATE which is the problem and we are the variable. I don’t think people realize how in trouble our oceans are and how heavily we rely on them. I was reading something from NASA on how anthropogenic climate change is effecting earths axis. It seems pretty incredible but if that happens the jet streams will shift and we will see some REAL crazy stuff go down. Need more info on it but it’s intense.

The earth can handle natural events and it’s “fall out”. Add a 7 billion humans and the planet and it’s rebound system is overwhelmed. How people can look around and see these super storms, heat, drought, flooding and NOT think we have a problem, is beyond me. Some scientists say earth has a tipping pint at 9-10 billion.

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October 18, 2018 9:57 am  

Very well put, AandA. Can't imagine anyone could argue against that logic and truth, but I'm sure someone will. If people took the same energy that they put into arguing against climate change, into actually doing something to help the situation in whatever small way they can, our environment would be in better shape.


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October 18, 2018 3:35 pm  

It really is quite arrogant of any of us to believe we can halt climate change.

Halt it no. But if humans are responsible for accelerating it seems to reason that humans should be able to reduce the acceleration. Doesn't mean reducing the impact can't coexist with some preparation. Bags and straws are more of an impact to sea life than climate change.

Like I said, if throwing spit balls at the walls helps you sleep at night by all means do it. But you have to be very arrogant to thing that anything you do would have much if any effects.


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October 18, 2018 3:51 pm  

So if you fear the depletion of accessible oil reserves - wouldn't the same green strategies touted as slowing global warming and reducing trash be effective at conserving these reserves?

Such as
smaller or electric cars use less carbon fuel
Fewer plastic products mean less petroleum is directed toward their manufacture
Wind, solar and other renewable energy sources reduce dependence on carbon energy

Hydrogen combined with solar power are the future for homes and cars. Check out FSU research. Back when I worked for the big power company this had the engineers' attention. That and nuclear, of course.

What you described is climate change so I guess you are one of those climate change promoters you reference.

Weather cycles change every 25-30 years some more often, some less frequent. Do humans have something to do with it, probably, but it's a lot less then nature. Whether humans are here or not, the whether would still have changing cycles. Will it get worse YES, will it get worse more often YES, because that is the cycle that we are in until the next Ice age comes, and it will come. That weather analogy you can take to the bank. There's nothing anyone can do about it, Makes you feel helpless doesn't it? So all the climate change promoters will have to accept this at least for the next few thousands of years, which is what it would take for any minimal change.

Yes Gator, I'm a firm believer in climate change, but not global warming or man made climate change like liberals want everyone to believe.

I'm WAY more concerned with what is going to happen when the oil dries up. Wind, solar nor batteries will take the place of it, no matter what people think. It might make you sleep better at night though.

I think anything that can be done to make the world a better place might be worth a look see, but not to be used to raise taxes, and force regulations where no indication of either would either help or hinder. That is what this is all about, money and power and I don't mean the kind that runs your lights.

You mention electric cars, how well do you think an electric car would take the mountain roads on St. Thomas, doubtful. Now if they could make an electric car that could power a vehicle for 500 miles between charges, with a rapid charge ability like 5-15minute charge ability then sign me up, I would be one of the first to try one out. But 150 miles and an 8-12 hour charge cycle won't do it.

I have a question, how many of you climate change/global warming folk who stayed on the Islands during and after the hurricanes went without power the whole time that they were out of power, WITHOUT tuning in to a generator for those comforts that only electricity can provide? I you did like some of my family, I applaud you, if you didn't then shame on you, you missed the best opportunity to practice what you preach. I could just imagine all those toxic fumes being pumped into the OZone from all those generators.


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October 18, 2018 4:11 pm  

What one person does won't have much if any effects, but now if thousands or millions do, then that would have an effect.

Like I said, if throwing spit balls at the walls helps you sleep at night by all means do it. But you have to be very arrogant to thing that anything you do would have much if any effects.


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October 18, 2018 4:23 pm  

FWIW I have several friends with zero emissions cars here. They do just fine, live on northside and take the roads fine.

Also I DO think we could see a turn around IF we stopped right now using fossil fuels. It’s the ONLY thing I believe will “fix” the problem BUT it will never happen at least I don’t believe there will be a huge push until it too late.

I have no fairy tail notions that I don’t have a carbon footprint, im a realist. I have reduced it SIGNIFICANTLY over the move here that’s for damn sure but I still use WAPA, and a car. I had a generator after storms and I guess luckily for the environment it was broken most of the time lol.

There’s no way what needs to happen for the earth will happen. Doesn’t mean we can’t wish it so. I agree it won’t change. We will continue to see the effects until humans are culled... or if ocean acidification continues - humans extinguished. The planet needs a reset from us anyway. Maybe that’s morbid to some but I believe it’s just realistic.

I just want to hone in on your basic reasoning for not believing in anthropogenic climate change is because you believe it’s made up to create taxes and regulations? Did I misread that? Do you agree that the planet is “out of whack”? Do you honestly believe that all the crazy weather events we are having are “normal”? I’m always so interested to hear deniers reasoning in the face of science.

Can I also ask, Mike are you religious? This answer for deniers I also find most intriguing.

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October 18, 2018 8:12 pm  

Mike,

Electric cars are actually great for these conditions. Tons of torque, great for hills, and the range is far better at low speeds and with hills (regenerative braking systems reclaim some of the energy lost going uphill) than at 85mph, where wind resistance becomes a far bigger player. I'm looking forward to the future choices of small AWD electric trucks with some ground clearance.

Some people did stay on island with zero generator use, I was one of them. I guess that makes me a "global warming folk", ha... since I planned for resiliency and self-reliance. Is it weird that the eco-liberals with their battery cars and solar panels, and the prepper conservatives, with their off-grid, chicken raising, no-government bent are kind of doing the same thing?
Small solar array, small battery bank, and there was only one morning where my voltage was too low to use my system. Had pumped water, ice, fans, and power tool charging from the day after Irma until thanksgiving restoration.

Sorry A&A, I do have two offspring, though. In the big picture, I feel raising two who are fully aware of the environment, our impact on it, and have the potential to do something about it - just replacement humans for when we die, no more - is better than throwing in the towel.


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October 18, 2018 9:16 pm  

You must consider that this is THE ONLY PLANET we have to live on.
IF EVERYONE does a little something to help OUR Planet's environment, then it's a good ting.

Don't be self denying or obtuse.
Cat 5 now the norm, massive wildfires and flooding, droughts, and pollution of our fresh waters, land, air and oceans, extinction of wildlife, forests all over.

Just do 1 little thing.
It could change the world.


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October 19, 2018 12:50 am  

Electric cars are actually great for these conditions. Tons of torque, great for hills, and the range is far better at low speeds and with hills (regenerative braking systems reclaim some of the energy lost going uphill) than at 85mph, where wind resistance becomes a far bigger player. I'm looking forward to the future choices of small AWD electric trucks with some ground clearance.

Exactly!


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October 20, 2018 12:50 pm  

I drive a fuel efficient 4cyl.

You drive an electric car.

Both are built of toxic materials, both use carbon based fuel (mine from an onboard fuel tank, yours from a storage tank next to a power plant). Yours has far more battery acid dripping into ground water, mine pumps more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
They have the same rubber tires, plastic interiors, metals for wiring, framework and other components.

Electric cars are just another environmental “feel good” product that pollutes in a different way.


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October 21, 2018 12:00 pm  

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I drive a fuel efficient 4cyl.

You drive an electric car.

Both are built of toxic materials, both use carbon based fuel (mine from an onboard fuel tank, yours from a storage tank next to a power plant). Yours has far more battery acid dripping into ground water, mine pumps more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
They have the same rubber tires, plastic interiors, metals for wiring, framework and other components.

Electric cars are just another environmental “feel good” product that pollutes in a different way.


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October 21, 2018 1:05 pm  

You can purchase solar charging kits for electric cars - work well in the VI. You have to remember to plug in when you get home though.

My electric car's main battery does not drip any type of battery acid - sorry. The start battery is the same as gas cars. The main battery in my car is warrantied for 100,000 miles and its nearly 100% recyclable once it's expended.

The purchase price of small used electric cars in FL is unbelievably low. My 2015 Nissan Leaf cost $10.5K with 17,000 miles on the odometer a year ago. These cars come out of lease programs after dealerships take the tax incentives and then they essentially throw out the cars.

The range is 100 miles which can be an issue in FL but not the VI. Low to no maintenance. CHEAP to operate.

(tu)

I drive a fuel efficient 4cyl.

You drive an electric car.

Both are built of toxic materials, both use carbon based fuel (mine from an onboard fuel tank, yours from a storage tank next to a power plant). Yours has far more battery acid dripping into ground water, mine pumps more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
They have the same rubber tires, plastic interiors, metals for wiring, framework and other components.

Electric cars are just another environmental “feel good” product that pollutes in a different way.


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October 21, 2018 3:46 pm  

I have a niece who used to drive a Prius. After it was struck, in a hit and run accident in a parking lot, the lead acid battery pack was cracked and it discharged acid. So much so, that the parking lot had to be repaved in the area of the accident.

So, sorry... they can, and do leak.


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October 21, 2018 4:07 pm  

My car has a lithium ion battery.

I have a niece who used to drive a Prius. After it was struck, in a hit and run accident in a parking lot, the lead acid battery pack was cracked and it discharged acid. So much so, that the parking lot had to be repaved in the area of the accident.

So, sorry... they can, and do leak.


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