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ms411
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Wondering if I should sign. DPNR denied their permit for Christmas Cove but allows them to operate at Vessup. Needless to say they're not making money at Vessup.

https://www.change.org/p/pizza-pi-vi-keep-pizza-pi-in-christmas-cove

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Topic starter Posted : September 7, 2016 12:29 pm
Alana33
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I signed
It's very popular with local boaters, charter boats and an excellent product.
They've received great reviews. They spent a lot of $$ and time developing their boat to be a pizza boat and obviously contribute to the economy with their taxes and local purchasing of goods.

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Posted : September 7, 2016 12:39 pm
ms411
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Why did DPNR not renew the permit, that's what I wonder. People love those floating businesses, but they always seem to draw controversy.

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Topic starter Posted : September 7, 2016 12:43 pm
OldTart
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I've tried to get to the site a couple of times but get an "oops" that the server is having difficulties. No idea whether or not I'd sign but am interested in the permitting background.

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Posted : September 7, 2016 12:59 pm
CruzanIron
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Why did DPNR not renew the permit, that's what I wonder.

Yes, I would like to know also.

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Posted : September 7, 2016 12:59 pm
ms411
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I'll ask when I go by their offices tomorrow since I can't find any info online. Will post result of my inquiry.

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Topic starter Posted : September 7, 2016 1:14 pm
ms411
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There's a post on this Facebook page that may give a clue as to why DPNR may have denied the permit. It seems there have been problems for years with mooring in Christmas Cove.

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Topic starter Posted : September 7, 2016 1:22 pm
sunshinefun
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Why would they need to moor...just come up along side and get your pizza.

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Posted : September 7, 2016 2:32 pm
OldTart
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Why would they need to moor...just come up along side and get your pizza.

Not familiar with boating much, eh? 😀

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Posted : September 7, 2016 2:36 pm
ms411
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Why would they need to moor...just come up along side and get your pizza.

Not familiar with boating much, eh? 😀

Lol! This is funny to those of us who live here, but maybe people who don't think that all boats have their own piers or slips.

Nobody wants to destroy natural beauty by having marinas everywhere, so in order to lessen damage to the sea floor mooring balls are often used but they are also limited in number.

DPNR has a very difficult task balancing environment and economy.

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Topic starter Posted : September 7, 2016 2:47 pm
Exit Zero
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There are no private mooring permits issued by DPNR for Christmas Cove - it may set a precedent they don't want to deal with.
It is also a designated Area of Particular Concern and has STEER , St Thomas East End Reserve, oversight.
Long but informative:

http://www.horsleywitten.com/STEERwatersheds/pdf/managementPlans/STEERManagementPlan/STEER_Management_Plan_Final_low.pdf

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Posted : September 7, 2016 2:58 pm
ms411
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Thank you, Exit! I knew someone on this forum could provide more info.

There is are private concessions at Vessup, but few people go there during the day. Maybe they can market that beach as a destination to attract more biz.

It's kind of an adventure getting there if you walk from the road.

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Topic starter Posted : September 7, 2016 3:11 pm
Alana33
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DPNR seems to have no issues with Jeffery Epstein when it comes to his flagrant disregard for DPNR regulations.

Pizza Pi has already operated there for 2 years.
They need support to continue.
As long as they're not destroying the marine environment, I see no issues with them continuing. It could be a benefit to have someone there full time to keep an eye on things for DPNR and STEER.

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Posted : September 7, 2016 4:42 pm
OldTart
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My understanding is that the pizza boat's permit was issued for Vessup, not Christmas Cove.

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Posted : September 7, 2016 4:52 pm
Alana33
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Their link works quite well btw:
http://www.pizza-pi.com

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Posted : September 7, 2016 5:17 pm
ms411
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Pizza Pi had a permit for Christmas Cove. When that permit was not renewed ( administration change?) they were given permit for Vessup.

Who is Jeffrey Epstein? He has a permit for where?

I think there may be other DPNR violations. Somebody must have complained about this one and Pizza must have decided to fight.

Petitions on local issues should only be signed by locals, imo. If tourists have a say in local issues they would probably favor their interests which may not be compatible with local interests.

I can't understand why people are choosing to sacrifice a day in BVI or USVI for a pizza stop at Christmas Cove. I haven't had a pizza that was as good as ones I had as child years ago so hard for me to get excited about pizza.

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Topic starter Posted : September 7, 2016 5:21 pm
stxsailor
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Maybe for the novelty of having pizza from a boat.

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Posted : September 7, 2016 5:42 pm
OldTart
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Pizza Pi had a permit for Christmas Cove. When that permit was not renewed ( administration change?) they were given permit for Vessup.

Their original permit was for Vessup and that expired but DPNR is allowing them back at Vessup without renewing that permit, according to a couple of blogs.

Who is Jeffrey Epstein? He has a permit for where?

Epstein owns Little St James and is allegedly one of the parties who recently purchased Great St James. DPNR is investigating unpermitted land clearance.

I can't understand why people are choosing to sacrifice a day in BVI or USVI for a pizza stop at Christmas Cove. I haven't had a pizza that was as good as ones I had as child years ago so hard for me to get excited about pizza.

Where is there any mention of people "sacrificing" a day in the BVI or USVI for a pizza stop at Christmas Cove? It's a popular spot to enjoy for many locals who own boats and hop across from the Yacht Club/East end to spend the day there relaxing, swimming and snorkeling. Many have told me and many have written that their pizza is excellent - when setting up the business they took a pizza course at a well known NY eatery and apparently learned very well.

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Posted : September 7, 2016 6:10 pm
CruzanIron
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Petitions on local issues should only be signed by locals, imo.

Now I want to know what your definition of a local is.

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Posted : September 7, 2016 6:20 pm
Alana33
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If it's a business and benefits both locals and tourist charter guests and the VI Government with permitting, boat registration fees and taxes, etc., then why not have non locals sign? Christmas Cove is very popular destination for tourists and locals.

As long as they're not creating pollution or harming the underwater environment, I don't see what the issue is.

Epstein is the one that creates damage but he's got deep pockets.

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Posted : September 7, 2016 6:41 pm
OldTart
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If it's a business and benefits both locals and tourist charter guests and the VI Government with permitting, boat registration fees and taxes, etc., then why not have non locals sign?

The suggestion to push locals to sign over visitors was allegedly from DPNR. It makes more sense as it's a local jurisdictional matter and local voices are more effective than visitors' where local matters are concerned.

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Posted : September 7, 2016 6:54 pm
Spartygrad95
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Supposedly S.T.E.E.R prohibits commercial activity in their area but I'm pretty sure day edcursions from cruise ships go there.. Seems pretty and arbitrary. Which isn't surprising. I was lucky enough to have pizza from there.. it is all about the uniqueness of the operation as the pizza was C+ at best.

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Posted : September 7, 2016 7:00 pm
ms411
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If they were serving fresh caught fish from their boat I would get it, but PIZZA? I just don't get. Especially since u have to buy them whole. A slice and I'm done.

If their pizza has fennel seeds in the sauce and or the Italian sausage, I would buy. I know people rave about their pizza, but without detailed ingredients, I can't get excited about pizza.

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Topic starter Posted : September 7, 2016 7:39 pm
OldTart
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What has this thread got to do with one's personal taste in pizza?

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Posted : September 7, 2016 7:44 pm
ms411
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Somebody used to sell pizza from a boat at Water Island. Many of the day sails serve food on their boat (New Horizon for one). Why is there a need for pizza at Christmas Cove?

I love the food on New Horizon, btw. You can't get their bean salad anywhere else. I took their day sail to St John just for the food and drinks.

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Topic starter Posted : September 7, 2016 7:50 pm
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