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islandjoan
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OT I re-read your post and yes in this case you actually did not accuse others of not doing anything to better the world, however my quick reaction to your post was due to the fact that in the past, you have frequently made those accusations.

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Posted : December 11, 2015 9:33 pm
LiquidFluoride
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it's the millenials such as yourself who'll essentially "save" the islands .

isn't that just how the math works?

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Posted : December 12, 2015 12:02 am
Gator's Mom
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OT you don't know what any one of us does or does not do, to better the lot of others, so it's not nice to tell people to stop blustering and shouting. We might, each of us in our own way, do good deeds.

RIght. I don't respond to those "what have you done" posts because: (1) they're stupid, as anyone can lie on the internet; (2) they're completely ad hominem (latin, just for you, OldFart) and irrelevant to the merits of the issue at hand; and (3) they would lead many of us to "out" ourselves publicly. I'm not sure why people get so persnickety during intellectual exchanges.

This has been a very useful dialogue, though. It is interesting to see the perspective of those who see the West Indians as the ones in "power" due to their representation in government positions. I have always seen the yacht owners at Yacht Haven or the property owners in Shoys, etc as the real elite class. A political scientist might agree with the former perspective, while an economist might agree with the latter. Neither of these positions is absurd, although I suspect the property owner in Shoys would not trade in their house for a seat in the Senate, while I suspect that most Senators would trade in their seat for the elite property. In other words, as a young VI'er, my aspiration has always been to one day own a boat nice enough to win a boating competition or to teach my future kids to sail, etc. Not to be elected to the Zoo (Senate). WIth money, I'd be able to finance campaigns anyway (cue Randy Knight-the true VI power broker!). It's all a matter of perspective. Love the elevated level of discourse here.

-M

Nothing like examining House of Cards to understand the difference between power and money.

"Money is the Mc-mansion in Sarasota that starts falling apart after 10 years. Power is the old stone building that stands for centuries. I cannot respect someone who doesn't see the difference."

I do believe the West Indian elitists understand the nature of power.

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Posted : December 12, 2015 8:46 am
OldTart
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OT I re-read your post and yes in this case you actually did not accuse others of not doing anything to better the world, however my quick reaction to your post was due to the fact that in the past, you have frequently made those accusations.

That's not true either. What I have commented on (and not "accused") is that many people are quick to run onto a forum to complain about so much but do nothing practical to offer a solution to the problem(s).

PS: Up pops that smiley icon again which is typed as the closing bracket! D

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Posted : December 12, 2015 8:53 am
OldTart
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it's the millenials such as yourself who'll essentially "save" the islands .

isn't that just how the math works?

Take something out of context and look what happens ...

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Posted : December 12, 2015 8:58 am
islandjoan
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OT that is basically saying the same thing. How do you know whether any of the complaining posters have done anything to fix the situations that they complain about?

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Posted : December 12, 2015 10:19 am
OldTart
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OT that is basically saying the same thing. How do you know whether any of the complaining posters have done anything to fix the situations that they complain about?

Maybe a faulty presumption but nonetheless a viable one. If they do or have done something constructive to address the issue or have a suggestion on how to fix it then it doesn't seem so far-fetched to assume that they would share their thoughts. Seems pretty logical to me.

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Posted : December 12, 2015 10:35 am
monogram
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OT you don't know what any one of us does or does not do, to better the lot of others, so it's not nice to tell people to stop blustering and shouting. We might, each of us in our own way, do good deeds.

RIght. I don't respond to those "what have you done" posts because: (1) they're stupid, as anyone can lie on the internet; (2) they're completely ad hominem (latin, just for you, OldFart) and irrelevant to the merits of the issue at hand; and (3) they would lead many of us to "out" ourselves publicly. I'm not sure why people get so persnickety during intellectual exchanges.

This has been a very useful dialogue, though. It is interesting to see the perspective of those who see the West Indians as the ones in "power" due to their representation in government positions. I have always seen the yacht owners at Yacht Haven or the property owners in Shoys, etc as the real elite class. A political scientist might agree with the former perspective, while an economist might agree with the latter. Neither of these positions is absurd, although I suspect the property owner in Shoys would not trade in their house for a seat in the Senate, while I suspect that most Senators would trade in their seat for the elite property. In other words, as a young VI'er, my aspiration has always been to one day own a boat nice enough to win a boating competition or to teach my future kids to sail, etc. Not to be elected to the Zoo (Senate). WIth money, I'd be able to finance campaigns anyway (cue Randy Knight-the true VI power broker!). It's all a matter of perspective. Love the elevated level of discourse here.

-M

Nothing like examining House of Cards to understand the difference between power and money.

"Money is the Mc-mansion in Sarasota that starts falling apart after 10 years. Power is the old stone building that stands for centuries. I cannot respect someone who doesn't see the difference."

I do believe the West Indian elitists understand the nature of power.

Haha! Love Ole Frank, but I must disagree with him. In the 21st century, money = freedom. It allows you a high quality of living and the ability to provide the best opportunities for one's children. Political power (outside perhaps the very high offices like POTUS) is fleeting, and increasingly not worth the personal and professional sacrifice. Marco Rubio is financially enslaved (debt), and Scott Walker has borrowed over 100k to send his kids to college. Martin O'Malley owes over $340,000 in PLUS loans for his kids' educations. I wish Remy Danton was given to to opportunity to retort. LOL.

An aside: Perhaps these Senators should have considered using their popularity and "talent" to start businesses to employ the youth. Maybe then, they wouldn't have to use their Gov positions to hire all their cousins, etc. Since Mapp is so "brilliant," perhaps he should have created a private company to employ his family members and provide him the Admiral's Club memberships, luxury sheets, etc. he desires. We now have public sector officials with private sector dreams--a true catalyst for corruption.

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Posted : December 12, 2015 5:10 pm
Gator's Mom
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OT you don't know what any one of us does or does not do, to better the lot of others, so it's not nice to tell people to stop blustering and shouting. We might, each of us in our own way, do good deeds.

RIght. I don't respond to those "what have you done" posts because: (1) they're stupid, as anyone can lie on the internet; (2) they're completely ad hominem (latin, just for you, OldFart) and irrelevant to the merits of the issue at hand; and (3) they would lead many of us to "out" ourselves publicly. I'm not sure why people get so persnickety during intellectual exchanges.

This has been a very useful dialogue, though. It is interesting to see the perspective of those who see the West Indians as the ones in "power" due to their representation in government positions. I have always seen the yacht owners at Yacht Haven or the property owners in Shoys, etc as the real elite class. A political scientist might agree with the former perspective, while an economist might agree with the latter. Neither of these positions is absurd, although I suspect the property owner in Shoys would not trade in their house for a seat in the Senate, while I suspect that most Senators would trade in their seat for the elite property. In other words, as a young VI'er, my aspiration has always been to one day own a boat nice enough to win a boating competition or to teach my future kids to sail, etc. Not to be elected to the Zoo (Senate). WIth money, I'd be able to finance campaigns anyway (cue Randy Knight-the true VI power broker!). It's all a matter of perspective. Love the elevated level of discourse here.

-M

Nothing like examining House of Cards to understand the difference between power and money.

"Money is the Mc-mansion in Sarasota that starts falling apart after 10 years. Power is the old stone building that stands for centuries. I cannot respect someone who doesn't see the difference."

I do believe the West Indian elitists understand the nature of power.

Haha! Love Ole Frank, but I must disagree with him. In the 21st century, money = freedom. It allows you a high quality of living and the ability to provide the best opportunities for one's children. Political power (outside perhaps the very high offices like POTUS) is fleeting, and increasingly not worth the personal and professional sacrifice. Marco Rubio is financially enslaved (debt), and Scott Walker has borrowed over 100k to send his kids to college. Martin O'Malley owes over $340,000 in PLUS loans for his kids' educations. I wish Remy Danton was given to to opportunity to retort. LOL.

An aside: Perhaps these Senators should have considered using their popularity and "talent" to start businesses to employ the youth. Maybe then, they wouldn't have to use their Gov positions to hire all their cousins, etc. Since Mapp is so "brilliant," perhaps he should have created a private company to employ his family members and provide him the Admiral's Club memberships, luxury sheets, etc. he desires. We now have public sector officials with private sector dreams--a true catalyst for corruption.

Those sums owed by those you listed above are really very little in the scope of things. And certainly very little compared to the opportunities their political aspirations will bring them - talking about Rubio and Walker in particular. Is it worth a few hundred thousand in debt to pursue enough power and reputation to command several hundred thousand for one speaking gig in the future? You bet.

Rubio and Walker got time on stage before a national audience, not matter how little chance either has/had to be elected POTUS. Both also now can rightfully contribute to the national dialogue based upon this experience, not their credentials. They can now rub shoulders with the Koch boys who successfully wield both money and power without bounds.

Money is fleeting - comes and goes - but power can change the dialogue for a person and his/her family for many generations.

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Posted : December 12, 2015 6:04 pm
rotorhead
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Full Definition of RACISM

1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2: racial prejudice or discrimination

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

The definition of racism has nothing to do with wealth or money.
If you believe it does then you need to show us where you get your definition.

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Posted : December 12, 2015 7:43 pm
rotorhead
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OT I re-read your post and yes in this case you actually did not accuse others of not doing anything to better the world, however my quick reaction to your post was due to the fact that in the past, you have frequently made those accusations.

That's not true either. What I have commented on (and not "accused") is that many people are quick to run onto a forum to complain about so much but do nothing practical to offer a solution to the problem(s).

PS: Up pops that smiley icon again which is typed as the closing bracket! D

Kind of like progressives wanting to spend other peoples money to correct social injustice but not their own. Show us by example instead of lecturing us.

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Posted : December 12, 2015 11:34 pm
TommySTX
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This is my thoughts on this entire conversation along with every other internet argument. It's pointless to have these discussions when both sides only dig in deeper to their original positions without actually listening or using empathy as a tool in conversing with someone that has a differing view.

Dumber

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Posted : December 13, 2015 12:59 pm
Spartygrad95
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No video of Dinesh D'Souza pleading guilty to one felony count of making illegal contributions in the names of others?

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Posted : December 13, 2015 1:00 pm
watruw8ing4
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This is my thoughts on this entire conversation along with every other internet argument. It's pointless to have these discussions when both sides only dig in deeper to their original positions without actually listening or using empathy as a tool in conversing with someone that has a differing view.

Dumber

(tu)(tu)(tu)

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Posted : December 13, 2015 1:53 pm
khan flo mah
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EXACTLY!!!!! Ask trayvon martin!!!

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Posted : January 18, 2016 8:01 pm
Alana33
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Why don't we ask ourselves why, in the USVI, that many people, black or white, tourist or local, don't feel safe everywhere on our islands after dark in certain areas

Y'all prefer not having gun control.
There are consequences.
Right or wrong, lives are irreparably lost and damaged.

Here, gangs and guns are responsible for the majority of lost lives.
Don't bring Treyvon Martin into the mix because it's complicated and comparing apples to breadfruit.

It's obvious that racism is endemic in all cultures.

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Posted : January 18, 2016 11:33 pm
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