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speee1dy
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December 18, 2013 9:58 pm  

divinggirl-i did not beat up anyone. good grief

oh, and i guess i was the only one to say anything


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December 18, 2013 10:15 pm  

divinggirl-i did not beat up anyone. good grief

oh, and i guess i was the only one to say anything

I don't see where I said that you did. I quoted you and remarked about "what they believe" but never said that you beat up on anyone. A little over sensitive?


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December 18, 2013 10:22 pm  

I get tired of seeing people beat up on this board instead of having their questions answered. It's no ones business if the OP wants to donate to a non-Santa charity. Leave them alone and just answer the question asked.

this is what you said and as i was the only name mentioned in your post yeah i thought you were referring to me and not the many others who also commented on the thread.


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December 19, 2013 1:31 am  

@ Speedy - that is what I said but in a separate statement from the one I quoted you in. That is why is was literally separated from the other statement.


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December 19, 2013 1:38 pm  

What about cash donations? Any local organizations that help teenagers like young life, or homeless? Taste of st croix donates to local charities, right?


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December 19, 2013 3:52 pm  

If you look in the beginning of the telephone book, there are pages dedicated to the listings of Non - Profit Organizations.
Choose which you like.

Don't forget all the animals that can use your support at the Humane Society (775-0599) or Lucky Paws Foundation (513-1854).


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December 19, 2013 6:45 pm  

This thread is overflowing with stupid.

My sister told my niece about Santa very very young, because she said she never wanted to lie to her and visa versa. The two of them had their little secret and they would laugh about it. If I had a kid, I would go down that road too, because I never want to lie to a child.


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December 19, 2013 7:44 pm  

The kids know about Santa years before you think they do.
They don't dare tell you that they know because they are
afraid that the presents will stop.

And yes, I am a father of multiple children, unlike many
who have posted here who obviously have never
raised any children.


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December 19, 2013 8:50 pm  

The tree at the Tutu mall now have children cards hanging. Today, I saw ages 2 and up.


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December 20, 2013 1:04 pm  

The kids know about Santa years before you think they do.
They don't dare tell you that they know because they are
afraid that the presents will stop.

And yes, I am a father of multiple children, unlike many
who have posted here who obviously have never
raised any children.

" If I had a kid, I would go down that road too, because I never want to lie to a child". This is like saying, I NEVER lie to my wife. Then you must not be married:)

To me, the Santa story helped get my child into bed on Christmas Eve and Santa's naughty list helped keep her from being naughty for a week or two before Xmas. Sometimes, parents need a little help where they can get it and a little white lie sometimes isn't a bad thing. How many of you would tell your child that the shot that they are going to get is going to hurt like hell or that operation that they are about to have is a bad thing and scary as hell. I used to dress up as Santa for a few years and give out presents that myself and several people donated and to see the look on those children's faces to get that one present that they wanted but knew their parents couldn't or wouldn't buy for them was worth every little white lie and to me, just for that one day, that one moment in time, there really was a Santa Claus and it was me.


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December 20, 2013 1:11 pm  

How can this be bad?


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December 20, 2013 2:01 pm  

Lie

: an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be untrue with intent to deceive

: an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker

: something that misleads or deceives

Fantasy

: something that is produced by the imagination : an idea about doing something that is far removed from normal reality

: the act of imagining something

: a book, movie, etc., that tells a story about things that happen in an imaginary world.

IMHO, Some people on this board get carried away... I enjoyed the fantasy in my childhood, including Santa... It is no different than movies, a story book, a novel, an electronic game, toys, etc... I don't for one minute think my parents lied to me... It was all a FANTASY and eventually you grow out of it... If you are going to read a child a bedtime story are you going to rock them to sleep reading to them from the Wall Street Journal? Seriously? After all, you will feel better not telling them about Snow White because it is a lie... Jeepers...

This is me, the real me: if I am going to give something to charity, I don't get hung up on how it is going to be presented to the receiver... I simply don't care as long as I do it... I even get a huge kick out of doing it in complete anonymity and then just sit back an imagine that maybe I put a smile on a human being's face.. brought some sunshine, hope, or saved a life...


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December 20, 2013 2:09 pm  

Thanks Rowdy.
Jeepers, indeed.


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December 20, 2013 7:40 pm  

at least others with common sense


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December 20, 2013 8:00 pm  

The difference between a fantasy and a lie is obvious in the definitions Rowdy posts above - a fantasy is a story, which a child knows to not be real in the telling. A lie is an untruth with an intent to deceive, which is how most parents convey Santa in our modern society.

I didn't say to abolish Santa. I think the concept of Santa serves a valuable place in society. However I believe that children should be told that it is a story, a myth, a fantasy - which is how the legend of Santa was originally told. Somewhere in the last fifty years or so Santa became something to be told as real, a real man who is watching all the time and a parent can report to for a child as bad or good - Santa even became threatening to children. This is not how the story of Santa was historically told or portrayed, and when portrayed as such, yes, it is a lie, and I even see it as cruel in some ways. Children deserve the respect of their intelligence and critical thinking, just like adults, and shouldn't be deceived just because they are kids and it's fun for adults.

But again, I see the legend of Santa as valuable. Just not told as an absolute truth.

I did tell the legend of Santa to my daughter, and I told her the truth when she asked if her father and I filled the role. The comment about my publicly seeking therapy is laughable. Like others have mentioned, I don't lie to my kid. It doesn't mean that I haven't provided her with the story about Santa and Santa's place in society as a source of Goodwill. It just means I prefer to respect her intelligence and ability to think critically, as well as preserving her trust in me as someone who won't lie to her.


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December 20, 2013 8:01 pm  

I get tired of seeing people beat up on this board instead of having their questions answered. It's no ones business if the OP wants to donate to a non-Santa charity. Leave them alone and just answer the question asked.

Ditto!


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December 20, 2013 8:08 pm  

Good Grief!


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December 20, 2013 8:28 pm  

My Brother's Workshop is a good non-profit that helps troubled youth.


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December 20, 2013 9:18 pm  

I get tired of seeing people beat up on this board instead of having their questions answered. It's no ones business if the OP wants to donate to a non-Santa charity. Leave them alone and just answer the question asked.

Ditto!

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Like I said, on this board some people get carried away... Hence, my comment on the "Innovative Employment" post...

This board is an excellent example of the term "thread hijacking".... I am guilty on my post above and guilty of being critical of the OP views of Santa... For that, I do humbly apologize...

I try really hard not top post on these boards lately... I bite my fingers really hard... It is difficult as I do follow the island happenings on these boards due to my recurring travels to STX...

P.S. My Dad is extremely level-headed and I try really hard to follow on his footsteps... and if I have nothing good to say, I do my best not to say a thing...


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December 20, 2013 9:56 pm  

Eh, thread creep happens on all boards, Rowdy. 🙂 It's not just you! (yes this is an off topic post, ha ha!) One thing this board is generally pretty good about is moving the off topic discussions under the coconut tree, which I appreciate. This one is kinda a mixed bag. Ideally whoever was critical about the OP not supporting Santa would have started a new thread and separate thread to discuss opinions of Santa under the coconut tree, but it didn't happen, nothing is perfect all the time though.


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December 20, 2013 10:48 pm  

julie kay, you mentioned you told your daughter the legend of santa, at what age did you tell her you filled the roll? just curious-not trying to beat up on any one


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December 20, 2013 11:16 pm  

julie kay, you mentioned you told your daughter the legend of santa, at what age did you tell her you filled the roll? just curious-not trying to beat up on any one

She asked me when she was about 5. I was surprised and then she told me had figured it out the year before, when she was 4!


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December 21, 2013 12:59 am  

Regardless of what you think about "santa" I ALWAYS suggest donating anything and everything to the Humane society "No Flea Botique". All the $ goes to help our island strays and I can't think of a better way to help abandoned furbabies. I have a car full of wet suits and stuff to take down tomorrow lol.


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December 21, 2013 1:45 am  

I know all you old timers on the board probably get tired of me saying I have 5 adult children and then adopted JJ who is 10. We raised all the children to believe in Santa, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, goblins, leprechauns, and every wonderful magical thing we could think of. They grew up and learned from their friends, tv, and others that those fantasies are not real life. I play pirates with my grandsons. They all think I am an aging ninja. We sword fight and pretend that we are vikings. When my brother and I were children in the forest in the Tennessee mountains we pretended we were tarzan and G I Joe. Some much fun. Such a magical time.

Everyone of my children thank me for that magical time. Everyone wants me to recreate that time with my grandchildren. Not one of them is angry thinking I lied to them. We play. We imagine. We have fun.

One day JJ asked me was Santa real. I told him no. We bought his presents. He told me he was going to believe in Santa anyway because it was so much fun. Then he told me that Nanu, (my mother), told him to never stop believing in magic because then the magic would go away.

I think we have all gotten too hard, too politically correct too everything.

We are only children once in life. We have a life time to be adults with adult responsiblities. We have wars, poverty, death, so many sad times in life. Sometimes the believe in magic or our childhood magic can get us through in life.

To each his own but this day I am going to embrace the magic and encourage the imagination of my son and grandchildren.


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December 21, 2013 10:44 am  

dougtami you said that wonderfully

JulieKay-she was pretty young when she learned the truth i think i was about 8.


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