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Jamison
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We call it Obamacare, but his plan was a little different. It was almost the exact plan Mitt used when in Mass. It bankrupted his state .

Ummm, no, it has not bankrupted Massachusetts. It seems like perhaps your facts are the ones getting lost??

Bankrupt may be a little dramatic. How's the thing during his time there that created major economic problems for the states budget?

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Posted : July 3, 2012 6:30 pm
stxem
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"Bankrupt" is a little more than "dramatic". Words mean things. Why not use them correctly and also cite sources for your information?

"The charge that the 2006 law has been a "budget-buster" in Massachusetts has also been challenged.

A recent study by the business-backed Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation found that during the five full fiscal years since it was implemented, the law has cost the state an additional $91 million a year after federal reimbursements -- well within initial projections."
Source: The Boston Globe. http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/07/03/mass_health_law_may_bode_well_for_federal_law/

Health care reform has not created massive economic problems in MA. The state is actually doing pretty well:
http://blog.aimnet.org/AIM-IssueConnect/bid/73605/Massachusetts-Economy-Prospers-But-Where-are-the-Jobs
http://www.boston.com/businessupdates/2012/06/21/massachusetts-economy-faring-well-world-economic-hazards-umass-journal-reports/VAAqond7LUSNyDotK6V43M/story.html

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Posted : July 3, 2012 7:13 pm
lily1025
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For the USVI residents, here's where we stand on the ObamaCare:

The individual mandate of the Affordable Care Act is not a requirement for the territories, but government may request it thru local legislation. Two things are being considered by our local VI government - the Exchange option or expanded Medicaid coverage. However, funding for the Medicaid expansion for territories is still on the table and access to it will depend on compliance of certain provisions.
For the VI, the likely funding for Medicaid expansion is close to $300M phased out thru 2019. If we choose healthcare exchange, the funding to establish it is $30M. My understanding is we can't have both - that it's one or the other, but I am not sure on this one.
As for the other stipulations of the Act, like coverage of dependents under family plan till age 26, or coverage of children with pre-existing conditions, I was told by good authority we are covered.

the article in todays source totally supports eeva1122,except i think the figure for both options is $30million. since i will be without health care insurance as of oct. 2013,i have 2 major concerns..1/ will the choice be to use the $30mil.for medicaid,since i would assume they make of a greater majority of the voting population??? 2/ i question the ability of our"leaders" to run and regulate an insurance health care pool in the territory unless it was highly federally regulated. i am praying for the healthcare exchange for obvious personal reasons and i'm wondering if others who feel like i do could somehow turn this into an election issue. i had a conversation with donna christiansen who told me she had been working on "options" [whatever that means} with united healthcare, and spoke with positive nelson this past sunday at mango mele and he looked at me as if he didn't know what i was talking about. i am VERY CURIOUS as to how others feel about this issue as it pertains to stx specifically.

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Posted : July 3, 2012 8:35 pm
watruw8ing4
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For the USVI residents, here's where we stand on the ObamaCare:

The individual mandate of the Affordable Care Act is not a requirement for the territories, but government may request it thru local legislation. Two things are being considered by our local VI government - the Exchange option or expanded Medicaid coverage. However, funding for the Medicaid expansion for territories is still on the table and access to it will depend on compliance of certain provisions.
For the VI, the likely funding for Medicaid expansion is close to $300M phased out thru 2019. If we choose healthcare exchange, the funding to establish it is $30M. My understanding is we can't have both - that it's one or the other, but I am not sure on this one.
As for the other stipulations of the Act, like coverage of dependents under family plan till age 26, or coverage of children with pre-existing conditions, I was told by good authority we are covered.

the article in todays source totally supports eeva1122,except i think the figure for both options is $30million. since i will be without health care insurance as of oct. 2013,i have 2 major concerns..1/ will the choice be to use the $30mil.for medicaid,since i would assume they make of a greater majority of the voting population??? 2/ i question the ability of our"leaders" to run and regulate an insurance health care pool in the territory unless it was highly federally regulated. i am praying for the healthcare exchange for obvious personal reasons and i'm wondering if others who feel like i do could somehow turn this into an election issue. i had a conversation with donna christiansen who told me she had been working on "options" [whatever that means} with united healthcare, and spoke with positive nelson this past sunday at mango mele and he looked at me as if he didn't know what i was talking about. i am VERY CURIOUS as to how others feel about this issue as it pertains to stx specifically.

Yes, my previous question to eeva1122 was answered by this article. lily1025, here is our predicament: When I researched moving to STX 6 years ago, health insurance availability was not ignored. Pickings were slim. But it was available, So we bought the house, with a plan to be here permanently by spring of 2012. We are stuck now. Must maintain residency in PA to keep our insurance (and technically, live there over 1/2 the year). Can't sell the STX house now without taking a major hit, and don't want to leave the island anyway. Hubby has a small - 2 partner - company, but we are not eligible for group insurance without paying a fortune, because other partner is in another state and has serious pre-existing condition issues. And good luck to me getting back in the job market here with a company that offers insurance. My neighbors here: he got laid off and lost his insurance, and she works where health insurance is not offered. So that's two more families who can afford to pay, all of us are low health care utilization - not great insurance risks. And I can't even vote for anyone here who actually might give a rip about getting someone in here to insure me, and others in our situation, because, to do so, I'd have to give up my PA insurance. Catch 22.

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Posted : July 4, 2012 11:58 am
lily1025
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dear wateuw8ing4, you and i are in exactly the same predicament unfortunately! we have lived here over 9 years,bought a home,don't want tosell {especially in this market,and also don't want to leave. when we moved here you are absolutely correct,policies were available and we realized we would have to pay very high rates but put $ aside. kingshill school closed where my husband taught partime,and like you i would like to get a job,but there are none available that would provide health care. we have a little over 1 year to figure this out. might have to consider renting in puerto rico for 6mths out of the year to get coverage there,but we have 2 dogs,it would be a big hassle and an extremely EXPENSIVE thing to do on our part. that's why i am wondering if this could become a political issue telling the newly elected senators this nov. to opt for providing an insurance pool for the territory. i have a feeling i'm being alittle naive and foolish to even consider the gov't might do the right thing. we all need to keep communicating with each other and keeping the delemma in the forfront!!!!

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Posted : July 4, 2012 5:31 pm
watruw8ing4
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I know that in the state I used to live, if a health insurer wanted to offer group coverage to businesses, they were required to offer direct bill as well. Wonder if that's possible.

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Posted : July 4, 2012 8:17 pm
sallyf
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In PR, dogs +rental = no big deal usually
Rents are cheaper in general - love living in PR - cheaper all round - incl. auto insurance

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Posted : July 4, 2012 10:23 pm
blu4u
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I agree with SallyF. My experience is that the C.O.L. is cheeper in P.R. then the VI (STT). Money just seems to go farther.

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Posted : July 5, 2012 12:33 am
BeachcomberStt
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I agree with SallyF. My experience is that the C.O.L. is cheeper in P.R. then the VI (STT). Money just seems to go farther.

Then why are they leaving their island in droves??? And coming here or the mainland???

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Posted : July 6, 2012 12:21 am
blu4u
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http://newamericamedia.org/2012/01/puerto-rican-migration-continues-at-record-pace.php

same reason why young people leave the vi....

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Posted : July 6, 2012 12:54 am
STXBob
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I thought this was interesting: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/05/most-18-29-year-olds-supreme-court-health-care-ruling_n_1652915.html

"Most 18-29 Year Olds Unaware Of What Supreme Court Ruled On Health Care Law: Pew Research Survey"

"Young adults were completely uniformed about what the U.S. Supreme Court decided in the landmark ruling health care reform.

Two out of three people age 18 to 29 thought the Supreme Court had either struck down the Affordable Care Act or simply didn't know they made a ruling, according to a survey by Pew Research Center. 43 percent said they didn't know what the ruling was, 20 percent thought most of the health care law had been rejected. Only 37 knew the high court upheld it.

Many Americans in the survey indicated they thought the most of the law was struck down (15 percent) or simply didn't know what they ruled (30 percent). But people under 30 were the most uninformed of all age groups."

STXBob writes: The chart accompanying the article shows how uninformed each demographic was. This country needs to care more!

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Posted : July 8, 2012 1:57 pm
blu4u
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This country needs to care more!

Also interesting are stats divided by educational attainment.
College Grad v. High School Grad.

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Posted : July 8, 2012 2:42 pm
SydSol
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What are single, self-employed US citizens supposed to do for health insurance if they don't quality for Medicare here? I heard there is no private health insurance for single self-employed persons at all. I only now saw this thread on this after I posted so sorry for duplicate. But still important. Thanks. I'm single, two kids, self-employed as one. still unsure of answer. Any news?

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Posted : August 1, 2012 10:07 pm
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