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johnydolittle
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In doing some research about the VI's I found these crime stats that make me what to think about a different place to move. I mean seriously there has been 7 murders so far this year which will break last years record. I know there is a post going back and forth about race and stringing people up. Regardless, these numbers are frickin scary. The island is 73% black and only 10% white and the truth of the matter is the white folks are not originally from there. They, just like me have dreams of tiki bars and beaches. However, most locals (not all) have little education and no money and what better way to get some than rob and kill the folks that do? I mean 10 times the USA's national average of killings is nutso if you add in the fact that there are not that many people there and if most of the killings are black on white and whites are only 10% of the population, you have a VERY REAL chance of getting killed if you are white.

So?
Last year there was 68 murders
80% of the murders were on St Thomas which equals 54 murders
Percentage of white victims 71% so 39 white murders
St Thomas Population is 51,000
Population of white 10% or 5100 which means 1 out of every 130 white people get murdered
THAT'S FRICKIN NUTS!

I'm just stating the facts, so please no hate replies.

Homicide statistics for the U.S. Virgin Islands updated regularly in the St. Thomas Source show there were 68 killings across the territory in 2010 -- a 33% increase from this time in 2009. The homicide total for the territory in 2009, in turn, was up sharply from the year before.

According to the crime data, there were a record 56 homicides in the U.S. Virgin Islands in 2009, up from 40 killings in 2008 and 44 in 2007.

With a population of about 110,000, the U.S. Virgin Islands had a homicide rate in 2009 that was about 10 times the USA's national average of five killings per 100,000 people, and the territory now is on track for a record homicide rate in 2010 approaching 13 times the national average.

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Topic starter Posted : January 27, 2011 6:17 am
A Davis
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In doing some research about the VI's I found these crime stats that make me what to think about a different place to move. I mean seriously there has been 7 murders so far this year which will break last years record. I know there is a post going back and forth about race and stringing people up. Regardless, these numbers are frickin scary. The island is 73% black and only 10% white and the truth of the matter is the white folks are not originally from there. They, just like me have dreams of tiki bars and beaches. However, most locals (not all) have little education and no money and what better way to get some than rob and kill the folks that do? I mean 10 times the USA's national average of killings is nutso if you add in the fact that there are not that many people there and if most of the killings are black on white and whites are only 10% of the population, you have a VERY REAL chance of getting killed if you are white.

So?
Last year there was 68 murders
80% of the murders were on St Thomas which equals 54 murders
Percentage of white victims 71% so 39 white murders
St Thomas Population is 51,000
Population of white 10% or 5100 which means 1 out of every 130 white people get murdered
THAT'S FRICKIN NUTS!

I'm just stating the facts, so please no hate replies.

Homicide statistics for the U.S. Virgin Islands updated regularly in the St. Thomas Source show there were 68 killings across the territory in 2010 -- a 33% increase from this time in 2009. The homicide total for the territory in 2009, in turn, was up sharply from the year before.

According to the crime data, there were a record 56 homicides in the U.S. Virgin Islands in 2009, up from 40 killings in 2008 and 44 in 2007.

With a population of about 110,000, the U.S. Virgin Islands had a homicide rate in 2009 that was about 10 times the USA's national average of five killings per 100,000 people, and the territory now is on track for a record homicide rate in 2010 approaching 13 times the national average.

stats being what they are, i love where i live and i am here by choice and not by chance.
there are many white people who have lived here a lot longer than i have, and raised children here too.
only you can make this decision.

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Posted : January 27, 2011 11:06 am
GoodToGo
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Are you sure about the white murder count? I don't watch the news here most nights (unless I need a laugh at the journalistic standard) or the paper for the same reason but it seems almost everytime I see a picture of murder victim in the territory they are black. Of course I live on STX and probably mostly pay attention to local murders so if almost all the white murders happen in St. Thomas that could skew my perspective. Just asking where did you get the white murder count from?

Thanks.

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Posted : January 27, 2011 11:18 am
glynnswife
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All murders are tragic so to seperate them into black and white is missing the point of the ridulously high murder rate. If you are black or white or yellow or whatever color if you lose a son or a daughter or a friend it is horrible. Yes, the murder rate is terrible and something needs to be done about it now.

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Posted : January 27, 2011 11:26 am
Hiya!
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The total number of murders seems right but I don't trust the other numbers. 71% on STT? 39% white???? Where'd you get these stats?

If there were 26 (30%) white, black, asian, or blue transplants/tourists killed last year the federal govt would have stepped in. I don't believe these percentages at all.

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Posted : January 27, 2011 1:13 pm
GoodToGo
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Read again. The original post claimed 71% of the murder victims are white. Again I ask where did this data come from?

The total number of murders seems right but I don't trust the other numbers. 71% on STT? 39% white???? Where'd you get these stats?

If there were 26 (30%) white, black, asian, or blue transplants/tourists killed last year the federal govt would have stepped in. I don't believe these percentages at all.

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Posted : January 27, 2011 1:47 pm
Hiya!
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That is absolutely wrong. Oh well, just another inflammatory post.

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Posted : January 27, 2011 2:15 pm
stiphy
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Those stats are way off. While a life is a life, if 70+% of victims were white while making up only 10% of the population, and most of the perpetraters were black, that would probably be indicative of some sort of race war going on which would be cause for concern. Fortunately this is not the case, your information is just dead wrong. Unfortunately the crime is way out of hand here but this has been discussed ad-nauseum.

Sean

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Posted : January 27, 2011 2:31 pm
STXBob
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Yearasta
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most locals (not all) have little education and no money

Really??????????

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Posted : January 27, 2011 5:42 pm
Alexandra
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When you consider that the original poster has a whopping total of TWO posts on this message board, you might want to step back and not give the TROLL the satisfaction of even commenting or trying to correct his clearly made-up numbers.

The only CRAZY element in play here is the TROLL.

Yes, it is sad when anyone loses their life for any reason other than old age and natural processes. Yes, there is crime in the USVI and at times it doesn't seem the powers that be are doing all they can/should to throttle it back. Posting false statistics in an attempt to inflame and provoke negative thoughts and responses is not a step in the right direction towards solving anything.

I personally find the fact that any murders occur anywhere disturbing. I find it even more disturbing that we have such sick personalities in society that they try to turn anything into a question of racism. I would postulate that our TROLL is the most racist individual to read or participate in this thread. Maybe it would be best if he/she just toddled on off to his cave and let the rest of us get back to living our lives enjoying this beautiful place and the many wonderful people we know who live here with us.

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Posted : January 27, 2011 6:04 pm
Yearasta
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It's the idiot gang members killing themselves off, mostly retaliation killings....I do know that bullets dont have eyes and anyone of us can get hit in the crossfire...but for the most part if you aren't out in places you shouldn't be or messing with the wrong folks you have nothing to worry about. I do know there have been a few random killings...but life here isn't as bad as it looks on paper......now if we can get WAPA to stop raping us..............

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Posted : January 27, 2011 7:05 pm
Linda J
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Even if OP is not a troll, he is ill-informed. Murders here, like everywhere else are usually either drug related, domestic violence, or acquaintance on acquaintance. Of course it happens, but very seldom is a person murdered randomly.

I don't follow this closely, but I would guess that, of the murders last year, only one or two were random.

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Posted : January 27, 2011 9:03 pm
johnydolittle
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Yes, I simply made up these numbers. lol.... Alexandra, being in Real Estate I can see how you would want to paint a different picture as folks don't want to buy homes where there is a serious crime problem and I am sure these headlines do not assist in selling the "Island Dream". Troll??? LOL Racist? Very professional of you. Yes, I will make sure to buy a place from you......

I was just stating some stats, and not sure why some responses needed to get personal, then again I think TROLLS ROCK!

And if anyone who does live there isn't a tad concerned about your safety I would have to call BS. And if you didn't look over your shoulder a few times after hearing the news about the Manager from Big Kahuna getting killed, well maybe you should start.

So lets see whats on the front page of the Virgin Island Daily News? Oh and this is only in one weeks time.

Testimony of threats, terror and revenge highlight murder trial
Teen beaten to death in church is identified
2 on trial in murder of woman who was shot in vagina and back
Driver fatally shot on road
Arrest made in killing of Ras Haile Jahras Ja
Big Kahuna Rum Shack manager shot dead outside his apartment
Majority of charges upheld in shooting near school
Man extradited from Georgia to face charges in 2009 slaying in Pearson Gardens
Man makes preliminary appearance in 2009 Hospital Ground murder
18-year-old charged with Smith Bay killing

http://stthomassource.com/content/news/local-news/2010/05/13/vi-answer-desk-how-does-vi-murder-rate-compare
http://travel.usatoday.com/cruises/post/2010/07/shooting-death-of-cruiser-in-st-thomas-comes-as-killings-on-island-soar/99978/1
http://www.virginislandsnewsonline.com/news/atf-agent-charged-murder-virgin-islands
http://www.stthomasblog.com/?p=2995

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Topic starter Posted : January 27, 2011 10:32 pm
Sauceress
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If you seek trouble, it will find you

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Posted : January 28, 2011 12:42 am
GoodToGo
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I'm all for stats but they have to have a basis in reality. I'll ask again - where did you get your racial murder data?

Yes, I simply made up these numbers. lol.... Alexandra, being in Real Estate I can see how you would want to paint a different picture as folks don't want to buy homes where there is a serious crime problem and I am sure these headlines do not assist in selling the "Island Dream". Troll??? LOL Racist? Very professional of you. Yes, I will make sure to buy a place from you......

I was just stating some stats...

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Posted : January 28, 2011 2:00 am
Ms Information
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Yes, I simply made up these numbers. lol.... Alexandra, being in Real Estate I can see how you would want to paint a different picture as folks don't want to buy homes where there is a serious crime problem and I am sure these headlines do not assist in selling the "Island Dream". Troll??? LOL Racist? Very professional of you. Yes, I will make sure to buy a place from you......

I was just stating some stats, and not sure why some responses needed to get personal, then again I think TROLLS ROCK!

And if anyone who does live there isn't a tad concerned about your safety I would have to call BS. And if you didn't look over your shoulder a few times after hearing the news about the Manager from Big Kahuna getting killed, well maybe you should start.

So lets see whats on the front page of the Virgin Island Daily News? Oh and this is only in one weeks time.

Testimony of threats, terror and revenge highlight murder trial
Teen beaten to death in church is identified
2 on trial in murder of woman who was shot in vagina and back
Driver fatally shot on road
Arrest made in killing of Ras Haile Jahras Ja
Big Kahuna Rum Shack manager shot dead outside his apartment
Majority of charges upheld in shooting near school
Man extradited from Georgia to face charges in 2009 slaying in Pearson Gardens
Man makes preliminary appearance in 2009 Hospital Ground murder
18-year-old charged with Smith Bay killing

http://stthomassource.com/content/news/local-news/2010/05/13/vi-answer-desk-how-does-vi-murder-rate-compare
http://travel.usatoday.com/cruises/post/2010/07/shooting-death-of-cruiser-in-st-thomas-comes-as-killings-on-island-soar/99978/1
http://www.virginislandsnewsonline.com/news/atf-agent-charged-murder-virgin-islands
http://www.stthomasblog.com/?p=2995/blockquote >

Johny, thanks for posting your picture, it gives a better idea of who we are addressing. You seem quite agitated regarding criticism to your post. I think the racist name calling is out of line, but you still haven't answered the question about where you got your statistics. You see, we know we do have a crime problem here. But you can't go around saying things that are plainly not true. The black on white homicide numbers are completely wrong, go back and check your source. Not that it makes much differences, if you are not a gang banger you are not likely to get hurt or dead here. Even little old ladies can walk down the street and feel safe, I know I do.

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Posted : January 28, 2011 4:49 am
noOne
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Johny, thanks for posting your picture, it gives a better idea of who we are addressing. You seem quite agitated regarding criticism to your post. I think the racist name calling is out of line, but you still haven't answered the question about where you got your statistics.

Yeah this guy is a troll, with the amount of white continental deaths he claims is statistical, without backing it up at all.

You see, we know we do have a crime problem here. But you can't go around saying things that are plainly not true. The black on white homicide numbers are completely wrong, go back and check your source. Not that it makes much differences, if you are not a gang banger you are not likely to get hurt or dead here. Even little old ladies can walk down the street and feel safe, I know I do.

See, this is where I have a problem. Sure, most of the murders/violent crimes are criminal on criminal, but quite a bit of non-violent crime victims are non-criminals. Steal my car? I would consider that to be at least a financial hurt, if not mental because I love my car 🙂 But ya know what? The statement you made, "Even little old ladies can walk down the street and feel safe, I know I do" is where the problem I have is. Do you not think that every violent crime/rape/murder victim would have run away if they did not "feel safe"? Being safe and feeling safe are two very different things, and I know many people who do not have the common sense to see a bad situation - add to that being a tourist in "paradise" with a bit of rum, and you have a concoction for things that happened like the James Cockayne murder on St. John.

I predict that much more attention to this problem on a national, if not international, level will happen soon. People like this troll are going to start showing up much more here, and elsewhere, because of the attention this is drawing.

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Posted : January 28, 2011 6:02 am
johnydolittle
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Pretty sure I put the links in the last post had the stats, regardless. How about some of you do some of your own research to discredit mine? What numbers are wrong? I checked my math. White, Black Asian, it really doesn't matter, the fact is your paradise has an epidemic on its hands period.

Homicide statistics for the U.S. Virgin Islands updated regularly in the St. Thomas Source show there were 68 killings across the territory in 2010 -- a 33% increase from this time in 2009. The homicide total for the territory in 2009, in turn, was up sharply from the year before.

Nobody had anything to say about the headlines I posted from last week? Hmmmmmmm. Seems like one cannot have an intelligent conversation on this board without getting insulted. I could frickin care less to tell ya the truth. So thanks for taking the time to read and post, it’s been an eye opener to say the least. I hope everyone stays safe.

Testimony of threats, terror and revenge highlight murder trial
Teen beaten to death in church is identified
2 on trial in murder of woman who was shot in vagina and back
Driver fatally shot on road
Arrest made in killing of Ras Haile Jahras Ja
Big Kahuna Rum Shack manager shot dead outside his apartment
Majority of charges upheld in shooting near school
Man extradited from Georgia to face charges in 2009 slaying in Pearson Gardens
Man makes preliminary appearance in 2009 Hospital Ground murder
18-year-old charged with Smith Bay killing

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Topic starter Posted : January 28, 2011 6:22 am
noOne
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Pretty sure I put the links in the last post had the stats, regardless. How about some of you do some of your own research to discredit mine? What numbers are wrong? I checked my math.

Pretty sure of racial statistics? You're wrong. I checked your links. BTW, I have watched this for decades, and read everything. Your links suck for what is actually happening.

Do our own research? No. This comes under the heading of us having to prove that there is nothing. You made the claim; back it up now, or STFU.

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Posted : January 28, 2011 6:33 am
noOne
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Actually, I just had a light go off in my head, reminding me of what I have been reading all these years. Here ya go, a list of names of the people murdered in 2010 in the USVI. Doesn't seem like there are many white continental names on that list, does it, troll? Oh, I know you will claim more, but I actually know the common surnames on the islands, and most of the victims are West Indian.

Virgin Islands Daily News

And since you don't seem to know how to look for information on the internet, here is a more detailed list of the circumstances, with most victims named:

St. Thomas Source

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Posted : January 28, 2011 6:56 am
A Davis
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All murders are tragic so to seperate them into black and white is missing the point of the ridulously high murder rate. If you are black or white or yellow or whatever color if you lose a son or a daughter or a friend it is horrible. Yes, the murder rate is terrible and something needs to be done about it now.

hear, hear!

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Posted : January 28, 2011 11:04 am
Hiya!
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If you argue with a troll you feed him and allow him to continue. Much like loosing pounds, the only way to get rid of a troll is to use restraint. and avoid temptation, in case, responding in any way to him/her.

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Posted : January 28, 2011 1:09 pm
Alexandra
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Actually, I just had a light go off in my head, reminding me of what I have been reading all these years. Here ya go, a list of names of the people murdered in 2010 in the USVI. Doesn't seem like there are many white continental names on that list, does it, troll? Oh, I know you will claim more, but I actually know the common surnames on the islands, and most of the victims are West Indian.

Virgin Islands Daily News

And since you don't seem to know how to look for information on the internet, here is a more detailed list of the circumstances, with most victims named:

St. Thomas Source

NoOne - thank you for your links! An honest posting of information, even when on such a sad subject, is always welcome. This information gives possible newcomers a clearer picture of the realities of violent crime in the islands. When making such a life altering decision, being informed is very important. For those with the dream of possibly relocating, it would truly be a tragedy if they were scared away by blatant lies designed to generate racial distrust and dischord.

When such threads and lies are posted by someone who has also posted in another thread that he is not living here but is excited to move here soon, it is wise to question the source. Those of us who DO live here see the stories unfold through the year and have a pretty good sense of the locations and causes cited for violent deaths.

Interestingly enough, the poster's statistics make it appear that St. Croix would be a very safe place to move to if 80% of the murders occur on St. Thomas! lol

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Posted : January 28, 2011 2:11 pm
noOne
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If you argue with a troll you feed him and allow him to continue. Much like loosing pounds, the only way to get rid of a troll is to use restraint. and avoid temptation, in case, responding in any way to him/her.

You are right, but I made an exception this time. His statements of black on white murder were so out of line that I could not let the facts go unstated for the unsuspecting people who find this board or just brows it from time to time.

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Posted : January 28, 2011 7:22 pm
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