VP Debate STX
Does anyone know of a place on STX to watch the Vice Presidential debate?
Some, not most, people here still vote in the U.S. via mail-in ballot (me for example.) Now next year I'll but a full-year resident so this will change...
I find that it is funny to see people interested in the US Presidential election down in the USVI. Last time I checked there is not a direct vote for you guys. Besides you guys can vote for your own idiots to run your government. Why would you want two idiots?
It sure takes one to know one. Don't you think people in foreign countries watch the debate? Interested parties will, and besides, we are Americans and we would like to see who will be running our country in the future to hopefully get us out of the mess that last batch has us in!
Scott, why would you think people outside of the US would not be interested in the election? The result of this is going to effect people all over the world. I'm not American, so I don't get to vote, but I'm doing my best to influence everyone I know who does have a vote! Maybe it is a cultural thing - I was raised to think globally, and not just about what is going on in my own country.
I was proud to vote once removed by casting my vote for the delegate who would support the presidential candidate of my choice, at the DNC... so while we cannot vote, we can make our voices heard, AND whomever becomes President of the United States will influence the territories, which includes us. So yes, we care.
As far as the debate yesterday, the pundits will have their way with the fact-checking, but I think she held her own by returning to familiar ground when necessary and being herself. Her limitations were apparent, but she sure is a scrapper! I can see how she became Mayor and Governor, and it sure made for good TV.
The little CNN squiggles were in full effect! Such drama... I moved between Fox and CNN since they both tend to slant in different directions and I enjoyed the contrast in pre- and post-debate commentary. Amazing, but EVERYONE thinks they're right. People are so interesting.
A Davis......................you have FOX News????!!!!! I wish I wish...........CNN's spin doctoring is enough to drive one crazy!
The obvious hate & one sided reporting is just sickening! How ever I think Biden deserves an Emmy for the tears!!!
I think all in all the debate was good & Palin held her own. :D........Things are tougher in Alaska!!!!
Anita, I love to do that also (go between FOX and CNN)... I learn more about how to spin by contrasting the two stations. My wife is an absolute expert spin doctor... I'm so jealous... she could make an axe murderer look like a savior of christianity!
But, also, by watching both sides, I get a better feel for why the "other side" thinks the way they do... what they think is important, and why they think it's important. It's hard to really see this through the spin, but there are clues, aren't there.
Also... I can't wait to see Tina Fey this weekend... I can just see it... something like this:
- a meeting between Palin and head of Iran (Ahmadinejad)
- Ahmadinejad: "we will not let America push their imperialism into Iran, and we will not tolerate the dangerous military bolstering of Israel"
- Palin: "now, gosh darn it, Ahmadinejad, there you go again, always looking into the past...wink, wink, wink, wink, wink"
And, if they do Biden.... something like this:
- a meeting between Obama and Ahmadinejad... both are sitting down
- scene jumps to Biden who says "Barack did not say he'd sit down"
- scene jumps to Obama/Ahmadinejad meeting... Obama (hears Biden's statement) quickly stands up
- scene jumps back to Biden who says "All major heads of state agree we should sit down with leaders"
- scene jumps to Obama/Ahmadinejad meeting... Obama (hears Biden's statement) sits back down
- up.... down... up... down...
Yes, I was about to call that person a "troll"... but gadfly may be better...
Of course you know I will tune in to SNL to see the "ultimate spin"~
Loved the skits, who knows, you may be channelling right now.
Thanks for the link, will check it out!
I also agree with Sabrina, that the world is watching and most non-Americans want President Barack Obama.
EDIT: Just back from factcheck.org, and it appears that the blows were flowing so fast and furious that there was serious fudging and sometimes disinformation being distributed yesterday from both sides. Each clearly appeared to believe what s/he was saying, so I will take their contributions in the spirit of the heat of battle. Mistakes were definitely made. Thanks for the link, though... I plan to spend lots of time there in the days ahead.
What I liked best was that both parties shook hands at the end. Both were civil to each other even though the stakes were incredibly high. It bothers me some that both told "misstatements" (Why can't people just tell the truth and let the rest of us make decisions with complete information?) I was really worried that the liberal bias and potential for personal gain depending on the outcome would distort the moderator's ability to do a fair job. Before the debate I thought she should have recused herself due to her conflict of interest. I as really pleased at how good a job she did. I wish our senators would learn something from this.
I am enjoying the bantering going back and forth about the debate. Last evening, I sat glued to the television with my teenage daughter whe was assigned to watch it as homework. It's amazing how even a 14 year old can see through the crap. I was a Democrat in the 1980's but got sick of the hand outs, especially to the farmers. My husband is in construction and he's certainly not getting any bail outs today, even though the industry is suffering from catastrophic losses. My brother-in-law, who was a lawyer and is currently a judge in the midwest, is a bleeding, liberal democrat and it's his way or the highway. I live in one of the wealthiest counties which actually encourages the welfare abusers to move here...sad situation. It sucks having to pay for other people's laziness. America is for people who want to work hard and be a contributing citizen. For the past decade, I resound as a Republican because I am finally in a decent income bracket and have worked hard to get there through paying for my own education and being a dedicated employee. I feel fortunate...but I had to work hard...no free hand outs. Currently, our country is mixed up in a draining war and I know that John M. will be our best leader for our current and future needs. Palin did an outstanding job last night. It was apparent that Joe was cracking under pressure by the tears. I'm not sure if that was a planned tactic or not...it seemed that he allowed emotion into a business debate. Surprising...shocking...I feel for him and for all of our troops, families, and those of us that have lost loved ones. But this was not a place for tears. I agree with Palin...stop looking at the past and let's move forward.
I don't want to get into politics, but on a purely personal note, I absolutely despise Palin. Look into her record on the environment or animal rights. And talk about "spin". Why now is it suddenly something to be proud of to have a teenage daughter with a baby out of wedlock? Every other teenager in the world that gets pregnant is a failure in the eyes of society, and yet you would think this kid had just won a gold medal! It is sickening and hypocritical to me. Now imagine if McCain got elected and something happened to him, and this woman became President of the United States. Heaven help us all! I think he made his first bad judgment call by choosing her.
Do you have a teenager? I'm guessing not...however, Palin is standing by her ProLife choice. Animal rights? Let's talk about the children in America that need a good home. Despising someone who has found her voice and is doing one heck of a job representing women in business in our great country? Let me guess, you are young without kids and you probably have a couple of dogs and cats.
One of Palin's primary focuses is energy...and she knows her stuff. I used to work in the public utility world that is the good old boys club and it's coal all the way. She is one tough, smart woman. Support her instead of pick at her. Joe Biden represents the good old boys club. Obama does not have the experience to run this county. McCain and Palin do. It's that simple.
How ever I think Biden deserves an Emmy for the tears!!!
Biden's wife and infant daughter were killed in a automobile accident when he was in his early 30's. His 2 remaining sons were seriously injured. I believe those facts, plus the fact that one of those sons is leaving next week for Iraq may deserve a tear or two.
Palin scares the hell out of me. The worst thing is, she either deluding herself into believing she is capable of being VEEP or is trying to convince us that she's capable. Personally, I don't want Jill 6-pack a heart beat away from the oval office.
I was on the fence leaning towards McCain for quite some time. I actually like Obama but would like him more with another 4 or 8 years in Congress I believe. McCain felt like the more sure bet and had a point about Obama's relative lack of experience. Then McCain went and screwed it all up by bringing in McBarbie who is even less credible than Obama on the experience front and light years away on the knowledge front. I'm not thrilled with either of my choices now...too bad I can't get a McCain/Obama ticket.
Things are so screwed up now that it's conceivable that either McCain or Obama will be an improvement in the short-term while at the same time having limited ability to affect the global macroeconomic conditions we're going to face --> so maybe it doesn't matter which clown we get in the White House afterall.
Linda and GoodToGo: I see your points. Being an attractive woman in a business leadership role, I do take offense at the silly name calling, though. The winking and good ol' boy talk needs to go...I expect a polished and professional person regardless of gender. When we get down to the primary real issues: the war, healthcare, taxes, the American economy, energy...who is the best person to lead our country? As for Biden's tears. I'm sorry...cracking under pressure and tearing up is just not acceptable. If Palin had done that...can you imagine what the headlines would be?!?! There's a time and a place for grief. I have lost many family members very close to me but I can't imagine trying to get the pity vote. :X Mom