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Wonderful Story - "Moving to St Thomas in 1965"

(@the-islander)
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I received an e-mail today from someone that wanted to contribute a moving story based on a move made in 1965. The author wrote: "I read the first 4 stories on your website under "what to expect" and it took me back 40 years to 1965 when we moved to St Thomas. I think everyone would be surprised to learn that things haven't changed all that much except there are more people, more congestion etc. now. The frustrations appear to be the same."

I took them up on the offer and was very excited to receive and read the story. Here it is:

Moving to St. Thomas in 1965

"I found this absolutely wonderful website about moving to the Virgin Islands and began reading the personal stories of people who had moved to the various islands over the last few years.

After reading 4 of them I simply had to stop and begin to jot down my recollections of moving to St Thomas in 1965. Not an awful lot has changed in 40 years, apparently, especially the confounding routine of getting a vehicle registered. Sounds like the same shacks are used.

My beatnik husband had a beard. In Virginia in 1964 that meant he was automatically followed around by police because a beard meant “different.” He was even followed into the parking lot of the school where I taught, as if he were a drug dealer or worse! When he had left the Marine Corps he had decided he’d never shave again!

He simply could not stand it and would not shave his beard in order to get a permanent job when his temporary federal job as a surveyor expired, so we began researching places we might be able to move to where they 1) spoke English 2) had a more liberal view of life than Virginia had 3) was accessible to the east coast of the states in case we wanted to return for a visit 4) where we could both find employment immediately.

After doing sketchy research (long before the days of the internet) and waiting for months for responses to letters written to the Dept. of Education (which letter included misspellings and erasures) we decided St Thomas was the place for us. I had received a pamphlet about nutrition and what was recommended that teachers consider when they look at their students on the first day of school, knowing the students might not be as alert as they could be had they eaten a full breakfast. Most children would have had a hot breakfast which meant hot tea and a piece of bread . The tea might be hot water with sugar in it. And the water woud have been heated on a coal pot.

We wanted to live on a boat, be able to associate with blacks, and meet like minded “continentals” as people of any race from the states were called. We were able to do those 3 things.

I was offered a job as a music teacher with a two or three year contract (isn’t that weird? It was not for two years and not for three years). The government paid our transportation, including shipping our vehicle, up to a certain monetaryvalue. We had to turn in receipts for the airline tickets and shipping expenses and in about a month we had the money reinbursed. That was also about the time the vehicle and boxes arrived. None of this “my stuff arrived in 3 days” back then. Likewise, they would pay our way BACK to the states after either two or three years, as if they expected we would not really stay! And families that did not live on boats, but had to pay rent, absolutely could not afford to stay.

Our first day on the island was wonderful. After arriving in a 10 seater aircraft which did not contain our luggge, even though we’d had a 3 hour layover in San Juan, the black taxi driver we used looked me straight in the eye, did not smile obsequiously , and I knew I’d love it here (in Virginia in those days a black person averted meeting eyes with a white person and always smiled in an Uncle Tom way).

The trade winds were blowing and although it was quite hot in August, we did not need air conditioning in the Scott Hotel where we stayed until we found an apartment. We had an interesting time there talking to Mr. Scott. Our accommodations came with a full breakfast. The first morning we were presented with a menu with the choices listed and ordered our bacon and eggs etc. and were very satisfied. The second day our menu had prices on it. We called this to Mr. Scott’s attention when we checked out, and he pretended that there had been no free breakfast the first day, as if one of his employees had made an error and slipped us a free breakfast. Welcome to the duplicity of the Virgin Islands! One menu for tourists (which we were on our first night) and then a menu for locals, which he found out we were to be the second day.???

We loved a restaurant in Palm Passage where we could get fresh grouper. It was there that I asked if they had chocolate syrup to put on ice cream for dessert and they said, no, but why not try creme de cacao? Yea!

There was one grocery store down town called Lucy’s which was native run. They happened to have a product that Pueblo did not have, and the word got around among the continentals. It was such a popular product that one day the shelf was empty and we enquired, preceded by “Good day” of course, when might we expect them to have more cans of it. The proprietor, busy dusting shelves said “I’ve decided not to carry it. I can’t keep it on the shelf. it's too much work to try.” Welcome to the VI work ethic.

We may not have had a McDonalds, but we had Orange Julius and the Crazy Cow, our consessions to fast food. Actually, at that time, fast food was just becoming the rage in the states. It was a cheap alternative to Sebastian’s on the Waterfront for a meal.

Since our vehicle had not arrived, we had to live close enough to Charlotte Amalie High School for me to walk there, so lived in Estate Thomas. I could walk to Pueblo (Grand Union was not yet built) and to school.

Since the apartments all had open jalosie type windows, when the radio station signed off at 11 p.m. the whole island became quiet! Then when they signed on in the morning, it was like an alarm clock which we didn’t have. I guess the roosters would have awakened us about the same time that the radio station did.

The first month there I got a “cold” and went to the doctor directly accross the street from the school. He gave me the usual medications, but said nothing about wrapping up and keeping warm. I asked should I not do that and he replied, “You're not up north any more. I think it’s warm enough without wrapping up.” Adjustment made.

Since we had no car for a while, we walked over the mountain to get to town because it was fewer steps than going around on the waterfront. But we huffed and puffed and sweated to do so. We passed the “dangerous” shack town next to the school and kids would wave. We were safe because I was a teacher. We did meet many continentals of all races, and natives as well, although the natives were not as open to real friendships. I had the advantage of the teacher’s lounge to make friends, however.

I brought with me stockings and garter belt (this was before panty hose) because that is what teachers wore. I nearly suffocated. Zora the sandalmaker convinced me to go native, and I disposed of the stockings and garter belt and went bare legged and was much more comfortable. Naturally I did not wear any heels, either. I never wore a sweater, or anything with long sleeves, even during the “Christmas winds” sitting in Trader Dan’s or the Carrousel on the Waterfront. I understand those two establishments are no longer there. I do not even remember any dresses with sleeves. Tradewinds or no, it was hot in the sun. The humidity was so great that my hair was “kinky” at all times, although I am caucasian. if it ever did get below 80, we'd just go inside.

When our vehicle arrived we moved up Contant to a plantation house by the Mill (Sukker House). The first night I kept being awakened. I’d turn the light on and see hermit crabs climbing the rock wall of the cistern. While I was up I noticed a chameleon on the wall which was white, so he was white. Then I saw him on the wood and he was brown. When it first rained hard I saw my first “ground spider” in my kitchen sink. Shudder shudder. My shoes became mildewed. But outside my door were papaya trees, so who cared. It was there that we had our first hurricane party. People who lived at sea level where there could be flash flooding came up and camped out with us, but when the booze ran out, drunkenly got in the jeep and drove to town for refills. And the stores were still open, too. I learned the alcoholics way of thinking of "first things first." Why do I mention alcoholics on a website for people wanting to move to the VI? Because the duty free booze attracts them and they stay until they die.

There was one department store on the island, a native owned, quite large, shop called Lockhart’s and it sat right on Main Street. If Lockhart’s didn’t have it you’d have to order through the Sears catalog store. And it took about 6 weeks for merchandise to arive.

One of the funny things I’ve never heard anyone else mention is that in order to get a library card you must have a reference from a native born person. For me this was not difficult to obtain in the teacher’s lounge, but it’s another of those things you’d probably have to ask your landlord to do (if you are lucky enough to have a native landlord).

When a 35’ boat came on the market we snapped it up and moved to Yacht Haven. There was the YH motel in front, and the marina in back. What was our unpaved parking lot is now Haven Sight. So in those days cruise ship passengers had to come into town for their duty free merchandise. The public Manasseh bus stop was right there, so I could ride it if it were raining andi needed to get to town. I did ride the full route of the bus around the island once to orient myself and listen to people’s speech.

Oh yes, Don Q rum cost .79 a liter at Pueblo on sale. Cruzan rum was regularly $1.25. Mount Gay was expensive to us, $2.75, as was any scotch. The flour in the first package of Chef Boyardee pizza I bought was full of mold. But you could buy a can of caviar for the same price. And Dutch butter!!

As a continuing education for teachers, we had a guest for a week who was a speech specialist. She was very alert to every accent in the room. She asked if there were any former occupancy language still evident. There was an ancient native male teacher in the class who could tell us maybe three words from the Danish days before the US purchased the islands in 1917 when he was a child. But these words were not commonly used. Likewise, today I imagine there's none even remembered.

You’ve probably read that you do not pay taxes to the US federal IRS, but rather to the Dept. of Finance. The first year it is a little confusing because you have to report your stateside earned income (in my case, January through July income) separately from your VI earned income. So there are two filings to be done. I filed and received a $90 refund. Later in the year I received a letter from the Dept of Finance threatening to do awful things to me because I had not filed my income tax. I quickly wrote back something on the order of , “If I didn’t file, then why did you give me a $90 refund?” This is not at all an isolated example of the inefficiency in VI government. If you ever encounered an efficient government worker, you took note of his/her name and asked all questions, regardless of subject matter, of him/her. Otherwise you might get the run around, or a wrong answer, or occasionally, if you forgot to say, "Good morning, " the cold shoulder, litterally, turning away and ignoring you.

As it turned out I taught for two years but then stayed on the island and worked for Antilles Airboats for another year before moving to Spain for 9 months. Sure enough, even though I was not currently employed by the Dept. of Ed. they still reimbursed us our travel expenses because my contract had said two OR three years!!

We were owed money by a contractor in St Thomas, but we never received any payment, so had to return, thinking we’d take about 3 weeks to collect it. We stayed for 4 more years and never collected it. I'd already lived in VI for 3 years, wonder why i thought I'd be able to collect? The debtor also had our truck, but we did get that back. It’s not only frustrating to live there, but it’s hard to leave, as well.

Having worked for Antilles, I’d get discount airline tickets which we would use to fly to Spain to visit our friends there. On one such trip we purchased a house so had somewhere to move to when we finally got our act together and left the island.

When the Yacht Haven showers for boaters started being overtaken by who knows who, we moved across the harbor to Avery’s Boat Yard which was walking distance to Antilles Airboats. Much more peaceful there.

In preparationn for moving we sold our boat. “The Pinafore” from Copenhagen is now a bar on the east end, I understand. On one of my visits (1980 maybe) I gave the proprietors a photo of it when it was a freighter in Denmark that the Danish lady we purchased it from had given to us. They in turn gave me a nice artist’s rendition of the boat as a bar.

Am I glad I lived in St Thomas? Yes, of course. There is nothing like sailing with friends on a Tortola sloop or catamarand, or going to remote and deserted beaches near friends’ homes, or taking your dog for a romp on a public beach after dinner. And of course the exposure to another culture so foreign to state side minds was eye opening and prepared me for meeting other situations later in life.

It’s certainly something you can do more easily when young, but it’s your decision as to whether you stay. I think everyone who is planning to move needs to know the negatives of which I spoke.

I have been back twice to see old friends, (1980 and 1990) but would never consider living there again. Why? The constant obstinacy evident in almost every St Thomian’s daily statement “I are born here” which he/she thought was demonstrating self pride, and it therefore exempted him from every law and courtesy (like being able to stop his vehicle on the waterfront, boom, smack in the middle of traffic, to carry on a conversation with someone in the oposing lane), never mind that he might be causing an accident or two. As Herman Wouk said in Don’t Stop the Carnival, there are two speeds in the islands, slow and stop."

 
Posted : October 13, 2005 7:40 pm
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I've found this site to be extremely informative and the people on it to be very helpful. However there are many posts that I find disturbing and this is one of them. I thought this story was very debasing towards the islands and West Indian culture in general. I really hope this is not how most members on this site view West Indians. What good can you possibly contribute to a community if you only respect the natural beauty of the environment but you can't respect the people or the culture that you chose to transplant yourself into?

 
Posted : October 13, 2005 8:55 pm
(@the-islander)
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Hello bkny,

What in particular did you find debasing? I recall you wrote that you had lived in St. Thomas years ago, perhaps you might share your perspective?

Thanks,
--Islander

 
Posted : October 13, 2005 9:44 pm
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I think my reaction to this particular post is the result of having read through pages and pages of posts that I had not read previously in addition to this one.

I may be the only one with this opinion, but I just find that some of the posts by people describing their experiences in the islands can sound very patronizing towards locals. I lived in St. Thomas in '91 and then off and on for years while I was in college. From my experience I know that there are lots of very good people that come from the states to relocate, but some people that move there only appreciate the physical attributes of the islands without any regard for the people or their culture. Some of these posts, although well-meaning and honest, are reminiscent of that attitude.

I know that most people on this board are not like that because this service is meant to facilitate a better understanding of how things work in the islands and about the people who live there. I just remember years ago how friends that I made from St. Thomas first reacted to me when we met and then later told me that they expected to be a certain way based on their negative experiences with other people from the states. I've also worked with a lot of people that held superior attitudes towards locals generally. I just reacted after reading this post and immediately responded to it because it bothered me and I know that this is meant to be a site where people can express their opinions freely.

 
Posted : October 14, 2005 12:08 am
(@what's new)
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Dear bkny

I think I recognize your concern about this wonderful recollection. I would also be surprised if you were even born before 1965.

This helps us all to understand and remember that the years in the 1960's were a major revolution in America in regards to race relations. The west indian people (those of african descent who live in the Caribbean)
for the most part had progressed far beyond their cousins who lived in the American south and large mid western cities.

They (the long time residents of the Virgin Islands) , were still very defensive and sometimes unfriendly because of their lack of formal education. In some ways that still hasn't changed.

Putting all that aside, we should all try to enjoy this fine and informative message.

 
Posted : October 14, 2005 3:49 am
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Dear bkny,

I understand from your post that you lived on St. Thomas in 1991 and then "off and on for years" and yet you apparently - initially - took great exception to a dialogue posted via Islander from someone who lived here in the mid to late 1960's and was simply relating the experience of living here during that period.

Yes, I think you did indeed react, and that's not always a good thing to do! Before reacting or even thinking about crying "racism" take a deep breath!

I'm a 21 year resident of St Thomas who has regularly contributed of late to this board. And I totally enjoyed the tale which Islander relayed. I have copies of written reminiscences going back to the late 18th century and have pretty good knowledge through research about life on St. Thomas from the early 17th to the late 18th century and beyond.

You might ask yourself how many local St. Thomians truly know from whence they came and how much they really know about their history from research rather than what they've been "fed" by others and absorb as right.

Just a thought but you got me gas going and I ramble enough!

 
Posted : October 14, 2005 4:58 am
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bkny: I did not read this the same way you did. What she describes is the feeling of being in a world where the rules of conduct simply are not valid anymore. Kind of like waking up without gravity! Some folks never get a handle on it and either move back to their comfort zone, isolate themselves from it or learn to live in a parallel universe.

I forgot that when I moved here, you had to have a reference for a library card! I don't think that is still the case. I was also amazed that she got her tax refund back in the same year! That has definitely changed.

I agree that we should freely express our opinions.

 
Posted : October 14, 2005 8:51 pm
 Lysa
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bkny227, I, too, am curious to know what parts in the story were "very debasing towards the islands and West Indian culture in general".

I don't recall "the West Indian culture"specifically being mentioned. I only noticed the mention of "blacks" and "continentals". Although using the term "black" as in black people/white people is not quite p.c. these days, it's not an offensive term and definitely does not make me think "West Indian".

The only negative remarks I recall are toward the frustration of island life and the St Thomians. No specific culture is mentioned and, as we all know, there are several cultures, black and white, residing on St Thomas.

Can we all relax a little and enjoy a moving story? Sheesh.

 
Posted : October 14, 2005 9:12 pm
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I think my words are being taken out of context. As I said, my reaction was just a general comment about previous posts that I had read IN ADDITION to this one. I didn't mention racism or education or lact thereof the responses to my post take my comments in an entirely unwarranted direction. I find some comments patronizing and that's my opinion.

The experiences I was referring involved both black and white people born and raised in the islands and their experiences with people that come from the states. Not in the '60s but in the '90s.

I'm not trying to initiate another barrage of posts like the one that occurred when someone made a comment about dialect spoken in St. Croix, etc.

Really what is your point in attacking my personal response some of posts that are on this board. Are you saying they don't exist? Why get defensive and attempt to tear apart my non-combative comments. I was also speaking from my PERSONAL experience. If you only want comments posted that you agree with then I really don't see the point of this board.

 
Posted : October 14, 2005 10:47 pm
(@dntw8up)
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bkny227,

You say you find the "Moving to St. Thomas in 1965" post, "…very debasing towards the islands and West Indian culture in general" and ask, "What good can you possibly contribute to a community if you only respect the natural beauty of the environment but you can't respect the people or the culture that you chose to transplant yourself into?" When folks disagree with your contention that the "Moving" story is debasing and your suggestion that it represents disrespect of West Indian culture, you become defensive and claim that your "personal response" is being attacked. You then state, "If you only want comments posted that you agree with then I really don't see the point of this board."

My understanding of this board is that it exists for people to exchange information, ideas, experiences and opinions about island life and to provide virtual support for those contemplating moving here. You are welcome to post your opinions but it is unreasonable to expect that people like STT Resident, East Ender and Lysa refrain from disagreeing with you.

You hit a nerve with some people when you brought up the issue of cultural respect. Culture is a fluid thing and while it is steeped in history it is also comprised of the present and carving the path we follow toward the future. The assumption on island seems to be that "West Indian" means "black skin" which ignores the fact that white people reside alongside blacks on the same island in the West Indies. Contemporary West Indian culture can opt to remain exclusive and let its history forevermore define the culture or it can choose to be inclusive with a respectful place for history as well as a respectful place for white West Indian residents within the culture. Respect meted out based on where one is born or the amount of melanin in one's skin isn't any kind of respect at all.

 
Posted : October 15, 2005 3:22 am
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I do not regret having the response that I had, I do however, regret posting it. I didn't know that I was expected to explain, defend, and respond to everyone that holds an opposing opinion. I don't have the time or the energy to participate in that way so please do not address posts to me because I will not respond further. I'm not even going to respond to them specifically because this will be endless and circular argument.

I made my point and clearly stated that it DID NOT apply to the majority of people that relocate to the islands, and especially not members of this board GENERALLY. If it didn't apply to you then it WASN't directed at you.

Everyone will read the same letter or post and it will bring out different emotions from each person. Living in the islands and dealing with various inconsistencies and ineffiencies you may be touched by those points in the story. Living in the states and dreading the fact that I may encounter some of the types of people I have encountered in my past, managers, salespeople, waitstaff, GMs that held a disparaging view of Caribbean people, certain points in some of these posts strike different cords with me. I worked with people that did not want to serve much less interact with people based not solely on skin color but because of the way they spoke, dressed, mannerisms, etc. Basically did not want to deal with local people on any level and looked for ways to exclude them from events. The "Locals" come in all shades as do people from the states but the locals I am referring to are west indian generally and not Afro-Caribbean specifically, although I don't think that is relevant to any point I tried to make.

I have no desire to cause a debate such as this in light of the problems that are going on in St. John and damn near EVERYWHERE in the world, espeically here in New York. If you want a platform to make points about misconceptions that people have, misinformation about history, or linguistic arguments please start another thread because you are no longer addressing anything I am saying. I have my OWN personal reasons and concerns about meeting people SUCH THE ONES I HAVE DESCRIBED so that is why certain posts may rub me the wrong way and not have the same effect on YOU.

I am not trying to engage in a back and forth about race, culture, or history. If you want to do this maybe we can get a drink on the beach and discuss this with the proper intentions of trying to understand each other, but I'm not going to argue for the sake of arguing. This is not a constructive way to spend my time or energy and I am sorry that I attempted to add my 2 cents to any topic on this board. Peace.

 
Posted : October 15, 2005 2:22 pm
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bkny: Hey, I don't think I disagreed with your position. I think I tried to state how I saw the comments. That is what dialogue is, isn't it?? 🙂

 
Posted : October 15, 2005 2:30 pm
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All arguing aside; ...What a beautiful story. It made me wonder how old the author was now, and what else her life had held in the way of adventure. The 60's was a very turbulent time in the US, and for her and her 'beatnik, bearded' boyfriend to move to STT must have been quite an adventure. I, for one, would love to hear a continuation of her tale.
Thanks for sharing that Islander. (reading it was almost like watching Fried Green Tomatoes). What a great piece of history.

 
Posted : October 16, 2005 1:01 am
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It seems odd to me that anyone would post their thoughts on a public discussion board and then object when the thoughts they posted are discussed. When I have thoughts I do not wish to discuss publicly I do not publish those thoughts in a discussion forum.

 
Posted : October 16, 2005 3:29 pm
 Lysa
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.....or get angry when someone responds to my thoughts that I posted on a public "discussion" forum.

I don't think I was attacking anyone. I didn't find anything in the moving story to be "disturbing" or "debasing" and the "West Indian culture" was never specifically mentioned.

I simply wanted to know where bkny227 was coming from.

There are plenty of bad things a visitor can say about Massachusetts, where I'm from (hello, "Massholes" didn't come from nowhere). But if they do say something, they gotta back it up.

 
Posted : October 17, 2005 3:44 pm
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