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speee1dy
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the neighborhood watch-observe and report. that is what he did, when he could not see t m anymore he got off of the phone. he felt safe. that is when t m came back to beat him.
neighborhood watch organizations observe and report on unusual circumstances and unknown people. and as for not knowing the name of a street?? big deal when i lived in a neighborhood i did not know all of the names of all the roads in them. nothing wrong with that.
t m had just moved in with his father so he was not known in the neighborhood, after his mother threw him out for uncontrollable behavior.

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Posted : July 17, 2013 1:11 pm
STXjill
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I watched the Anderson Cooper program this evening with him interviewing one of the jurors.
The verdict was the correct one.

I agree. I've seen parts of the juror interview, and i think its clear the public did not hear all that the jury did.

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Posted : July 17, 2013 1:36 pm
gringojj
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And while we are discussing logical things....what about the account of the girl friend?

So she is talking to TM on the phone, he is being stalked by a creepy guy. He is in such fear that he feels he needs to attack the guy. The last thing she hears is a confrontation. Obviously she never heard from TM again.

If someone tells me they are being stalked by a creepy person, and then there is a confrontation, and all of a sudden I cant get a hold of the person, I would be concerned. I would call the family or police and say hey so and so was being followed by a creepy guy and now I cant find them.......

But she did not do that. As a matter of fact she waited a good period of time to say ANYTHING!

So she did not contact anyone after she lost contact. How long before she knew he had died? When she found he died she didn't get enraged and right away contact someone and say HEY THIS IS NOT RIGHT!

Logic says she knew TM started the fight. When she found out what happened, she didn't speak out right away because she knew it was indeed self defense. She knew TM was going after GZ.

I think she knows a lot more than what she said on the stand.

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Posted : July 17, 2013 1:40 pm
LiquidFluoride
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very good analysis here:

Followup here:

If you view the evidence objectively (if you haven't viewed ALL THE EVIDENCE you really do not have your own opinion, simply one that you have picked up from elsewhere and is probably wrong) you will see the court case came out as it should have.

There were eye witnesses to TM attacking GZ... all this speculation can be put to rest.

some of the eyewitness testimony is here:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/05/george-zimmerman-not-guilty.php

Do some research, educate your self & don't fall into the media's trap of biased information (with a clear agenda)

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Posted : July 17, 2013 3:09 pm
stx2020
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scenario this scenario that, would of, should of, could of....

fact: Zimmerman targeted a boy walking home minding his own business

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Posted : July 17, 2013 3:16 pm
Linda J
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I'm satisfied that the jurors did a thoughtful, dilligent job and I accept their verdict. I just think they were wrong. But I would MUCH rather have a guilty man accquited than and innocent man go to jail.

The whole case reminds me of the OJ Simpson trial.

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Posted : July 17, 2013 3:21 pm
Yearasta
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It is so funny how some have opinions and everyone else's opinion makes no sense. Noone is disputing that Trayvon attacked first. Like someone said elsewhere "even a zebra kicks a lion when being hunted" Trayvon was being hunted and it was fight or flight. He tried running and that didnt work, he fought. This has set a precedent a very bad one, if you are being stalked and you stand up for yourself that person can shoot you and claim self defense.

Bring on the peanut gallery......

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Posted : July 17, 2013 3:48 pm
speee1dy
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t m was not hunted, he was observed. big difference

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Posted : July 17, 2013 4:15 pm
speee1dy
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THANKS FOR THE LINK LIQUID, I HAVE BEEN WANTING TO READ SOME OF THE ACTUAL TRANSCRIPT

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Posted : July 17, 2013 4:20 pm
Yearasta
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na dread...observed is sitting in your car...observing....following someone in your car, then getting out and continuing pursuit IN MY OPINION...is hunting...but then again when you are sitting in a tree stand for hours and you observe a deer isnt that called hunting.

Once again we have a difference of opinion but at least I paraphrase with "in my opinion" everyone else wants to come up with their own "facts" and call it the gospel.

this entire debate is moot.

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Posted : July 17, 2013 4:24 pm
Yearasta
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In reference to the link Liquid posted dated over a year ago...

Please note...the statement said after hearing a commotion he investigated and "witnessed a black male, wearing a dark colored "hoodie" on top of a white or hispanic male"

Then further down he states that "everything dark outside"

Looking at Mr Zimmerman even in the day time I cant say if he is white or hispanic...why would he say that when it's dark outside...then someone wearing a hoodie he can tell it was a black male?

here is some more food for thought.....I am sure most people know how bad a head wounds bleed....remember Mr Zimmerman said his head was continously slammed into the concrete....

http://friendsofharvey.wordpress.com/2013/06/26/ould-this-be-the-real-cause-of-zimmerman-s-head-injuries-zimmermantrial-j4tm/

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Posted : July 17, 2013 4:39 pm
gringojj
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scenario this scenario that, would of, should of, could of....

fact: Zimmerman targeted a boy walking home minding his own business

Your fact is most likely correct but in order to tell the whole story you need to include some other facts....

FACT: Zimmerman was doing nothing wrong in checking out a suspicious person in his neighborhood.

FACT: Trayvon viciously attacked and assaulted GZ with the intent to cause great harm to him.

FACT: GZ was in fear of great bodily harm or death and acted appropriately.

It seems a lot of people like to pick and choose which facts they want to use to justify their opinion on this case.

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Posted : July 17, 2013 4:41 pm
LiquidFluoride
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It is so funny how some have opinions and everyone else's opinion makes no sense. Noone is disputing that Trayvon attacked first. Like someone said elsewhere "even a zebra kicks a lion when being hunted" Trayvon was being hunted and it was fight or flight. He tried running and that didnt work, he fought.

So he tried running (and hey, it worked!) but for some reason he thought it didn't work, so when GZ went back to his truck he ran over to the bushes next to his truck and jumped out and confronted him, started hitting him (no one saw the nose injury, so lets just pretend that didnt happen) there was a witness that saw TM on top of GZ using an "mma move" to bash his head into the ground.

Zebra's don't run up to a lion laying on the ground and kick it...

This has set a precedent a very bad one, if you are being stalked and you stand up for yourself that person can shoot you and claim self defense.

Absolutely zero evidence of "stalking" here, you clearly do not understand what the term means (it has a very clear legal definition), or are attempting to be manipulative by using it (or both).

BTW, it's perfectly legal to ask some one why they are where they are, you can "confront" anyone you wish to; Zimmerman wasn't hunting, he was checking to see if yet another thief was in his neighborhood (which had been repeatedly robbed recently) and guess what, he was right! TM was very likely a thief and drug dealer (based on his correspondence via facebook and text messages on his phone recent suspension for a backpack with drugs and women’s jewelry in it etc…), a confused young man.

Bring on the peanut gallery......

I think it's already here.....

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Posted : July 17, 2013 4:48 pm
gringojj
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It is so funny how some have opinions and everyone else's opinion makes no sense. Noone is disputing that Trayvon attacked first. Like someone said elsewhere "even a zebra kicks a lion when being hunted" Trayvon was being hunted and it was fight or flight. He tried running and that didnt work, he fought. This has set a precedent a very bad one, if you are being stalked and you stand up for yourself that person can shoot you and claim self defense.

Bring on the peanut gallery......

Yearasta I broke down how and why your opinion of what happened is not logical and you have not explained in any way how you can justify it in your head. The facts don't support your opinion, as a matter of fact they discount it. They show that GZs account of what happened is pretty much the way it went down.

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Posted : July 17, 2013 4:49 pm
LiquidFluoride
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here is some more food for thought.....I am sure most people know how bad a head wounds bleed....remember Mr Zimmerman said his head was continously slammed into the concrete....

http://friendsofharvey.wordpress.com/2013/06/26/ould-this-be-the-real-cause-of-zimmerman-s-head-injuries-zimmermantrial-j4tm//blockquote >

Photo's from the night of the shooting:

have you looked into this your self at all?

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Posted : July 17, 2013 4:51 pm
Yearasta
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Wow liquid seems like you were there...they should have called you to testify since you have everything on lock!

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Posted : July 17, 2013 4:51 pm
LiquidFluoride
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Wow liquid seems like you were there...they should have called you to testify since you have everything on lock!

No, I'm simply trained to do things like this.
I've spent some time working for military intelligence and know how to gather data and be objective when doing so (which better allows one to gain a true understanding of what happened).

I also am very good at understanding Ego and Emotional triggers/responses, which can drastically change how we react/think/function.

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Posted : July 17, 2013 4:55 pm
Yearasta
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Seems like we have a similar background then if your were MI, but still make lots of assumption as if you know things about my legal background...but we still differ in opinion and for some reason "ya'll" opinions are the only correct ones....so once again I let you guys have it....don't forget to read the medical report thats on that link.....once again you guys are da bomb...you win dread.....

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Posted : July 17, 2013 5:01 pm
gringojj
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Seems like we have a similar background then if your were MI, but still make lots of assumption as if you know things about my legal background...but we still differ in opinion and for some reason "ya'll" opinions are the only correct ones....so once again I let you guys have it....don't forget to read the medical report thats on that link.....once again you guys are da bomb...you win dread.....

I believe my opinion on what happened is correct because the evidence supports it and it is logical.

It seems you "want" your opinion on what happened to be true so badly that you will not acknowledge the evidence and logic. To do so would force you to realize that your opinion is most likely incorrect.

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Posted : July 17, 2013 5:08 pm
ikory
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You cannot assume someone is suspicious because they are walking down the street. That is prejudice. That is profiling. White people hardly have this type of behavior happen to them. It is annoying to here a white person say "oh well it happens to us too", well of course just not on a massive scale.

Lets just throw out the bill of rights. Lets stop all Mexicans and ask them for proof of citizenship. Lets do cavity searches on all Muslims to check for IEDs. White people get pissed that the NSA is monitoring who they call yet they are okay when these things happen to other groups of people. We need to stop hiding we're ALL prejudice.

A police officer has no RIGHT to stop someone and question them for walking down the street. If this happens you need to request a supervisor. Ask if you are being detained. Only give your name and refuse to answer any questions. File a complaint and try to record everything with your phone. We have civil liberties for a reason.

Jim crow racism is over; this is modern racism and we cannot hide from it or it will never get better.

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Posted : July 18, 2013 2:35 am
gringojj
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Who can't assume someone is suspicious? Are you serious right now?

As an individual I have every right to assume whatever I want about anyone.

Let me give you an example...

My family and I are out to dinner in csted. After we are done about 9 o clock we head to the boardwalk to head to the parking lot. I see a guy walking around suspiciously at the corner behind angry nates, so I turn around and walk my wife and kids up through the courtyard and take a right entering the parking lot from the top, paying attention to everyone around me very closely.

Was I prejudice? I don't think so. Was I profiling? Your damn right I was. Did I assume someone was suspicious when they were just walking around? I sure did. Did I do what I felt was right to keep my family safe? I think so.

To say that people are wrong to assume and to profile someone is ridiculous. We all do it all the time whether you care to admit it or not.

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Posted : July 18, 2013 5:07 am
divinggirl
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I love that people take the word profiling and make it a negative thing. People "profile" all the time - we used to call it stereotyping. You do it when you assist clients, hire employees, make friends, just about anything you do. I personally feel that profiling is not a "bad" thing. Stereotypes are usually (not always) based in fact. Are people more watchful of middle eastern people in airports & on planes, yes. Why, maybe because it was middle eastern people who caused 9/11 and have tried other acts of terror. Is it wrong to be suspicious - no. Is it wrong to think all middle eastern people are terrorists - yes.
The very nature of a Neighborhood watch is to "profile".
The thing I am the most tired of is hearing people refer to TM as a "child", "kid", "little boy". He was 17 years old, over six foot tall and had a history of bad behavior and poor choices. Did he deserve to die - no.
Do I think justice was done? I happen to believe in our judicial system so I say yes. I was not on the jury so I do not know the whole story. If people are making up their minds based on news "reports" then they are rushing to judgment. This case has been tried in the court of public opinion by the press and that is a shame.

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Posted : July 18, 2013 11:17 am
speee1dy
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well said diving girl

my brother had a friend who asked someone not to piss on the bar (outside wall) he owned, that persons reaction..he beat the guy up who asked him not to piss on his bar. What happened to that friend of my brothers. he is dead now from being punched. so yeah i think if he had a gun he would still be alive today. do i ever want to see anyone die. hell no, but the bad guys are winning way to often.
if t m had won, he would be tried as an adult and not the 13 year old kid the media portrayed

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Posted : July 18, 2013 12:00 pm
East Ender
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The nature of police work is to "profile"- you don't look for three year old children if the description is an adult male.

Ikory: If I live in a residential community, I know everyone in that community, and I see someone I don't know, may I be suspicious? This is how communities used to operate for years- nosey Parkers watching out for the rest! I stop and engage the person to find out if they have a reason to be there. Someone who has an "attitude" is going to make me even more suspicious.

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Posted : July 18, 2013 12:15 pm
noOne
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Fla. mom gets 20 years for firing warning shots

Same state, different views.This girl is guilty of properly defending herself because she is black.

Zimmerman instigated this by stalking an innocent man that he profiled: Guilty of walking while black. On top of it he could have just brandished his gun when he was confronted by Martin, and I am sure Martin would have run.

EDIT: oh and Zimmerman's injuries are just scratches in the fighting world.

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Topic starter Posted : July 18, 2013 1:17 pm
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