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July 18, 2013 1:18 pm  

We have neighborhood watch in our area. We get phone calls all the time about suspicious vehicles in our area or young teens on bikes form our neighbors.
Is it wrong to be suspicious of these kids on bikes? Are we profiling? We know teens on bikes broke into one of our neighbors house, caught them on camera, the teens used palm fronds to cover up there faces. So every time a teen is riding a bike in our neighborhood we call the rest of the neighbors to be on the look out. It's sad but true.


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July 18, 2013 2:16 pm  

Is racial/ethnicity profiling bad?

If we say we are not bias or look at people in our own "group" more favorably then we're outright liars. Everyone has done this at some point in their life and still does it whether conscious or not conscious (and yes this is still racism). This has been proven with studies of job applications. Who does the hiring? Let's say it is a white male (yes, I am generalizing). Academic studies have been conducted where applications were sent in with ethnic names and it has been observed that there is a direct correlation between who gets a call back or not based on the name alone. More ethnic names are likely to get overlooked. Why? Because we like people LIKE us. Look at the prison systems.

these jurors could not relate at all to Trayvon Martin. They could not put themselves in his shoes but they could relate to George Zimmerman. Juror B37 said in another article on CNN that she felt like Rachel Jeantel was "not a credible witness" and that she "felt sorry for her." The juror also said that she could not understand what Rachel Jeantel was saying (also mentioned in this article). Rachel Jeantel used the word "cracka" not "cracker." Cracka is slang for policeman while the other one is a derogatory term for white person. The juror also said that the reason she felt sorry for Jeantel was because she assumed Jeantel felt like she was uneducated and unintelligent. What gives juror B37 the right to make these assumptions? White privilege. I absolutely do not care for English language elitism. In the south the whites use to treat blacks as children, because of this elitism.

Look at the prison system as a whole. Look at the statistics how black men vs white men are sentenced to jail for drug charges. Look at statistics of what race police will most likely pull over? A DWB is the joke I think Chris Rock used. "Driving while black".

It is shocking how EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL profiling someone is.

Divine: Every race has been a terrorist of the united states. To use 9/11 as an example to target a whole group is not protecting us any better.

NoOne: I agree with you. "Guilty of walking while black." GWWB

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gringojj. Police cannot assume someone is suspicious for just walking down the street. This is racial/ethnicity profiling and is illegal in most places in the USA. A police officer has to suspect you of committing a crime. If a police officer does stop you on the street you need to ask if you are being detained, give only your name, record the conversation, request a supervisor, file a complaint. Zimmerman is guilty of racial profiling and trying to get law enforcement involved.

Your scenario of avoiding someone on the street is not violating anyone's civil liberties.


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July 18, 2013 2:39 pm  

Diving girl he WAS a child...my 17 yr old is a child..he was buying skittles and tea...he did childish things...smoked weed, did stupid stuff that kids do. If you want to bring up the past how about Zimmerman's past...Domestic Violence....Speeding....Resisting Officer with Violence....Battery of a law enforcement officer...he had a TRO by his ex-fiance....but you people want to judge a dead 17 year old who was walking home and cant tell his side of the story because he is dead!


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July 18, 2013 2:52 pm  

Diving girl he WAS a child...my 17 yr old is a child..he was buying skittles and tea...he did childish things...smoked weed, did stupid stuff that kids do.

Skittles & Sugary Tea were to make "Lean" aka "Purple Drank" aka "Robotripping" aka Codeine abuse drink that is similar to PCP (dissociative effects); no way did he walk through the rain at night over 1 mile for "skittles and a sugary drink", Autopsy reports show liver and brain damage typical of heavy codeine abuse.

17 is not a "child" or a "kid" it is a young adult, you can serve in the military at 17 (w/parental consent) you are 1 year away from legally being able to own a gun in most places (he was attempting to illegally obtain a gun based on his phone's text messages)

These are far beyond childish things.

If you want to bring up the past how about Zimmerman's past...Domestic Violence....Speeding....Resisting Officer with Violence....Battery of a law enforcement officer...he had a TRO by his ex-fiance....but you people want to judge a dead 17 year old who was walking home and cant tell his side of the story because he is dead!

Zimmerman wasn't an angle either, who said he was? however he was old enough to get over the stupid "young adult" actions that are typical of 16-25 year olds (that’s why it's a specific demographic for insurance companies, that age group just does stupid shit...)

regardless, Zimmerman's character isn't in question as all evidence (including eye witness testimony) clearly shows that he was being beaten by Martin, Martain was doing a very UN childish thing when he decided to beat Zimmermans head against the pavement and (supposedly) state that he was going to kill zimmerman (this is just hearsay however, the statements made by Martin were not heard by distant witnesses)

BTW, my 16 year old is NOT a child, she is a young adult, same with my 18 year old; they have mental capabilities far beyond a "child" or "kid" and cannot be considered such.


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July 18, 2013 3:10 pm  

Fla. mom gets 20 years for firing warning shots

Same state, different views.This girl is guilty of properly defending herself because she is black.

Zimmerman instigated this by stalking an innocent man that he profiled: Guilty of walking while black. On top of it he could have just brandished his gun when he was confronted by Martin, and I am sure Martin would have run.

EDIT: oh and Zimmerman's injuries are just scratches in the fighting world.

Way to do your research and check out all the facts!

Since the woman got in an altercation with her husband, went to her car, got her gun, came BACK in the house then fired warning shots she VERY CLEARLY could have gotten away and was not in danger (otherwise you would just leave, instead of getting your gun from the car and going back).

This is another case that was handled correctly, she was very guilty.

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH PEOPLE!!!!!!!


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July 18, 2013 3:19 pm  

no one, you do realize that her children were standing right next to the father the lady shot at don't you. i agree 20 years is excessive but come on, she was out in the garage to get the gun, she did not have to come back in and certainly not shot near where her children were standing.


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July 18, 2013 3:22 pm  

It's amazing how you will say anything to defend your opinion without thinking of what you say actually means. So what you are saying is that TM thought he was being followed by a police officer, a cracka? So he attacked a cop?

Is racial/ethnicity profiling bad?

If we say we are not bias or look at people in our own "group" more favorably then we're outright liars. Everyone has done this at some point in their life and still does it whether conscious or not conscious (and yes this is still racism). This has been proven with studies of job applications. Who does the hiring? Let's say it is a white male (yes, I am generalizing). Academic studies have been conducted where applications were sent in with ethnic names and it has been observed that there is a direct correlation between who gets a call back or not based on the name alone. More ethnic names are likely to get overlooked. Why? Because we like people LIKE us. Look at the prison systems.

these jurors could not relate at all to Trayvon Martin. They could not put themselves in his shoes but they could relate to George Zimmerman. Juror B37 said in another article on CNN that she felt like Rachel Jeantel was "not a credible witness" and that she "felt sorry for her." The juror also said that she could not understand what Rachel Jeantel was saying (also mentioned in this article). Rachel Jeantel used the word "cracka" not "cracker." Cracka is slang for policeman while the other one is a derogatory term for white person. The juror also said that the reason she felt sorry for Jeantel was because she assumed Jeantel felt like she was uneducated and unintelligent. What gives juror B37 the right to make these assumptions? White privilege. I absolutely do not care for English language elitism. In the south the whites use to treat blacks as children, because of this elitism.

Look at the prison system as a whole. Look at the statistics how black men vs white men are sentenced to jail for drug charges. Look at statistics of what race police will most likely pull over? A DWB is the joke I think Chris Rock used. "Driving while black".

It is shocking how EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL profiling someone is.

Divine: Every race has been a terrorist of the united states. To use 9/11 as an example to target a whole group is not protecting us any better.

NoOne: I agree with you. "Guilty of walking while black." GWWB

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gringojj. Police cannot assume someone is suspicious for just walking down the street. This is racial/ethnicity profiling and is illegal in most places in the USA. A police officer has to suspect you of committing a crime. If a police officer does stop you on the street you need to ask if you are being detained, give only your name, record the conversation, request a supervisor, file a complaint. Zimmerman is guilty of racial profiling and trying to get law enforcement involved.

Your scenario of avoiding someone on the street is not violating anyone's civil liberties.


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July 18, 2013 5:16 pm  

"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage of my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” - Jesse Jackson

Everyone profiles.


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July 18, 2013 5:41 pm  

thats interesting.


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July 18, 2013 5:48 pm  

And now, Jesse Jackson would look back, see a white man, and worry about being SHOT.


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July 18, 2013 6:00 pm  

And now, Jesse Jackson would look back, see a white man, and worry about being SHOT.

surely you mean a hispanic... Zimmerman couldn't look much more hispanic; I grew up in a large hispanic population.


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July 18, 2013 6:07 pm  

And now, Jesse Jackson would look back, see a white man, and worry about being SHOT.

surely you mean a hispanic... Zimmerman couldn't look much more hispanic; I grew up in a large hispanic population.

The new term is white-hispanic. He must be white or it can't be true racism since only whites can be racist.


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July 18, 2013 6:11 pm  

And now, Jesse Jackson would look back, see a white man, and worry about being SHOT.

surely you mean a hispanic... Zimmerman couldn't look much more hispanic; I grew up in a large hispanic population.

The new term is white-hispanic. He must be white or it can't be true racism since only whites can be racist.

So.... Obama is white-black & his droning the F**K out of brown people in the middle east is racist then?


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July 18, 2013 6:16 pm  

"I can no more disown him ( racist Rev. Jeremiah )than I can my white grandmother, a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.” - President Obama

No, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright is not racist!


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July 18, 2013 6:37 pm  

gringojj I guess you are missing the point :(. I am saying neighborhood watch is suppose to help law enforcement. Zimmerman got law enforcement involved for a black person walking on the street. Zimmerman was racial profiling and calling the police to get them involved in his own biased behavior. It is illegal for police to racial profile; yet why would you defend Zimmerman a wanna be cop trying to violate someones civil liberties? Zimmerman was clearly in the wrong.

No one disagrees that Zimmerman was profiling, it is just really sad how you all want to defend racial profiling as okay :(.

We are all guilty of profiling and we all have prejudice. I have mentioned that multiple times now. We need to realize and be aware of these things is the only way we can improve as a society. A young 17 year old is dead because of profiling.

Cracka is sticking it to the man and who can blame a minority? My last post pointed out how unfair the system is to minorities. It is nevertheless irrelevant to why martin died. I only used it as part of my point how misguided the juror was. The Juror was clearly being prejudice making assumptions.

Martin could have been part of the Nazi party does not mean Zimmerman has a right to profile someone walking on the street.


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July 18, 2013 6:41 pm  

Zimmerman is a Jewish name correct? Even if he has Hispanic in him he looks white with a white name, therefore he has white privilege in this society. Sociology 101

Can a minority be racist? On an individual level yes. However the system is racist towards minorities on a mass scale. How can a white person even compare to that? Impossible. The system gives white males the most power. Whatever prejudiced injustice a white male faces in this society is nothing compared to what other groups have to face.


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July 18, 2013 7:04 pm  

A young 17 year old is dead because of profiling.

Seems to me that a 17 year old is dead because he choose to commit attempted murder (or at the very least felony assault/battery) against the wrong person.

Seems to me this is the sort of think we need to see MORE of, not LESS of.

Wasn't here on these very islands that a man was car jacked then beaten to death not too long ago, someone beloved by the community? Bad idea to encourage young confused men to beat people to death, that's a very poor social decision.

Zimmerman is a Jewish name correct? Even if he has Hispanic in him he looks white .

He sure looks 100% hispanic to me, all the way no doubt never a question hispanic.... what picture are YOU looking at??

He got the privilege of an innocent man, one we all should get (untill proven otherwise)


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July 18, 2013 7:17 pm  

Liquid, Did that white person on the island racial profile some black kids and followed them around? If not it is irrelevant so why bring it up? If we are thinking of the same story I am shocked that you would stereotype young black males into criminals. Is that what your point is by bringing up such a story? Very biased. You bring your own life experiences into this making you prejudice.

So the main point of my post is how horrible racial profiling is. Yet you ignore it and justify that this is self defense. Why?

He looks white to me. We can disagree on whether Zimmerman has white privilege in this society. I only brought it up, because Rotor was bringing race up. He has a white name which if you read my post about job applications and statistics we can agree he has some white privilege. Bottom line Jury can relate more Zimmerman.

Seems to me this is the sort of think we need to see MORE of, not LESS of.

We need to see more young black males profiled walking on the street so we can kill them off?


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July 18, 2013 7:31 pm  

Ikory ikory ikory,

Here is what you said...."Rachel Jeantel used the word "cracka" not "cracker." Cracka is slang for policeman while the other one is a derogatory term for white person."

I took your point to be that TM called GZ a "cracka", not a cracker. "cracka" you say is slang for policeman.

I then took from that that your point was that TM believed GZ was a policeman, and not a "cracker" which is a derogatory term.

If that was not your point in that statement please clarify what was your point because I cannot deduce any other point than what you are saying was not your point.

I have the feeling you will not respond now.


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July 18, 2013 7:44 pm  

Cracka is urban slang. Jeantel said it was slang for police/security guard not me. Which Zimmerman was either behaving as if he was some type of law enforcement or some kind of a stalker/rapist. MY POINT was most the jury do not understand urban slang(I also assume most white do not either) and could not understand what she was saying and discredit her as a witness and "felt sorry for her". So prejudice of that juror member.

JEANTEL: Cracka.

MORGAN: There's no 'e-r,' right?

JEANTEL: No, it's an 'a' at the end.

MORGAN: C-r-a-c-k-a.

RACHEL JEANTEL: "Yeah. And that's a person who act like they're a police [officer], who, like a security guard who acting like -- that's what I said to them. Trayvon said creepy ass cracka."

Why would I not respond?


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July 18, 2013 7:53 pm  

"So the main point of my post is how horrible racial profiling is. Yet you ignore it and justify that this is self defense. Why?"

Why? Because GZ shooting TM had nothing to do with racial profiling. You keep going right from the moment GZ saw TM right to the shooting, leaving out the part in the middle where TM viscously assaulted GZ and bashed his head into concrete.

It appears that you are saying that we should ignore the self defense claim because GZ profiled TM. That would mean that its perfectly fine for someone to viscously attack someone if they are being profiled. Racial profiling is so horrible, that anyone who does it should be viscously attacked.

Ikory did GZ have any right to defend himself from the beating?


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July 18, 2013 7:56 pm  

I know you are trying to get me to say that TM attacked a police officer. Or he thought it was one. Well look back on history and currently law enforcement does not have a good relationship with minorities anyway. Do we need to sit down and look at all the statistics of the prison system and SENTENCING DISPARITIES?


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July 18, 2013 7:59 pm  

Cracka is urban slang. Jeantel said it was slang for police/security guard not me. Which Zimmerman was either behaving as if he was some type of law enforcement or some kind of a stalker/rapist. MY POINT was most the jury do not understand urban slang(I also assume most white do not either) and could not understand what she was saying and discredit her as a witness and "felt sorry for her". So prejudice of that juror member.

JEANTEL: Cracka.

MORGAN: There's no 'e-r,' right?

JEANTEL: No, it's an 'a' at the end.

MORGAN: C-r-a-c-k-a.

RACHEL JEANTEL: "Yeah. And that's a person who act like they're a police [officer], who, like a security guard who acting like -- that's what I said to them. Trayvon said creepy ass cracka."

Why would I not respond?

Wow I did not know this part of the testimony..so TM believed GZ was either a policeman or security officer, and he attacked him anyway. So if he believed that it was reasonable to assume TM would think GZ was armed.....so TM went and attacked what he thought was an armed cop or security officer?

You also now have made "cracka" to possibly mean a stalker/rapist. Where did that come from? Did Jeantel say that?

I await your response


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July 18, 2013 8:02 pm  

Did TM have the right to defend himself from someone who was stalking?


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