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speee1dy
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cityguy, you have heard of wet foot dry foot right. you do know that no one else gets this special treatment only cubans?? certainly not Haitians, i lived in the keys when the haitians were rounded up and sent back home after they made it to dry land. cubans are not, they are allowed to stay

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Posted : February 23, 2013 10:42 am
CityGuy
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Speee1dy.
Yes I'm aware of the wet foot/dry foot policy also the wet foot/dust foot policy that would be entry in Texas and Mexico (Cuban Adjustment Act) at a certain point in time Cuba was killing the people when they were returned to Cuba. The USA and Cuba made the agreement which states( the Cubans that don't make it to the USA will not be killed when returned to Cuba). Regarding the Haitians, there is no agreement with the French and the US. The immigration Laws/Rules/Policies change for various humanitarian reasons frequently.

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Posted : February 23, 2013 2:04 pm
speee1dy
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i call that special treatment for the cubans

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Posted : February 23, 2013 2:21 pm
BeachcomberStt
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speee1dy,
Cubans are treated no different than the Italians landing on Ellis island. The term WOP is not a racial slur but a name for the Italian people who had no papers ( WOP means without papers). The policy was at the time, if they make it to dry land process them to stay unless sick.

Calling Italians a "wop" is a racial slur and derogatory toward them.

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Ellis_Island

Other false claims suggest Albert Einstein and Fiorello LaGuardia passed through the station as immigrants, and that the anti-Italian expression "wop" was a shortened form meaning "without papers.

The Etymology of The Insult “Wop”

http://www.billcasselman.com/wording_room/wop.htm

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Posted : February 23, 2013 5:08 pm
CityGuy
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Beachcomber,
Reference was made by me regarding Ellis island as port of entry and the identity and use of the letters WOP (without papers). I grew up in an Italian American neighborhood in NYC and agree the letters WOP could and has been used as some kind of a derogatory slur. Racial Slur don't think so. Didn't stand for a good looking Italian either. My statement is a well proven fact. Show me proof of a racial slur.

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Posted : February 23, 2013 6:19 pm
BeachcomberStt
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My mistake, not a racial slur, because Italian is not a race. It is an ethnic slur (not as popular as the others I have heard them called). I do not approve of the ethnic slurs in this article.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs#W

The two articles I posted above defined where the term wop came from. It shows that it is not true that it means without papers.

Please show proof that the workers signing in immigrants on Ellis Island used the term wop.

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Posted : February 23, 2013 7:56 pm
CityGuy
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Well if you have ever been on Ellis island, which is in the New York Harbor on the New Jersey side they have pictures of the immigrants wearing the letters WOP. At this point in time you will have to look up or Google the letters WOP and read what it says. I think I'm missing something, the two articles you reference refer only to ethnic slurs.

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Posted : February 23, 2013 8:21 pm
BeachcomberStt
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I know where Ellis Island is.

If you were actually there and saw pictures of immigrants with the wop cards around immigrants necks, I take your word cautiously because I never visited Ellis Island. Here is a list of abbreviations they admit they did use.

http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/manifests/glossary.html

The first article I posted refers to Ellis Island.
en.citizendium.org

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Posted : February 23, 2013 9:13 pm
CityGuy
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Citizendiun. org is not an official authority, also the abbreviations are from the ships manifests. I'm, sure they used some of the abbreviations.

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Posted : February 23, 2013 9:26 pm
blu4u
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Beachcomber,
Reference was made by me regarding Ellis island as port of entry and the identity and use of the letters WOP (without papers). I grew up in an Italian American neighborhood in NYC and agree the letters WOP could and has been used as some kind of a derogatory slur. Racial Slur don't think so. Didn't stand for a good looking Italian either. My statement is a well proven fact. Show me proof of a racial slur.

W.O.P. is bit out dated in terms of a "slur". Derogatory terms referring to Italian Americans are not that common, unless of course, you are talking about the a-holes from "Jersey Shore".

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Posted : February 24, 2013 12:54 am
CityGuy
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Blu4u,
Why don't you try reading the entire thread. However the term is still used in the Northeast. My reference to the WOL letters was for the Ellis Island immigration process at an earlier point in time for our countries History. That would be the USA.

The Jersey Shore people used the term "Guido". You may not like them. but they cry all the way to the Bank.

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Posted : February 24, 2013 1:18 am
speee1dy
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could not find anything on wet foot/dust foot policy ?? maybe you could provide a link for that

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Posted : February 24, 2013 12:09 pm
CityGuy
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Look up- Wet Feet/dry feet Cuban Policy.- or Cuban Adjustment Act Dusty foot policy - a lot of sites. It's the same policy and law, the only difference is the port of entry such as Texas or Mexico.

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Posted : February 24, 2013 1:47 pm
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