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A long time restaurant in Frenchtown - STT - Craig and Sally's has closed its doors and the employees are out looking for work today with no advance notice given to them - casting the Why? speculation aside, the venue will be missed - 19 years is certainly close to a record for restaurant longevity here these days.

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Topic starter Posted : July 25, 2012 4:36 pm
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Wow, that's a big surprise and more so that the staff didn't know about it ... not very nice.

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Posted : July 25, 2012 4:52 pm
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A long time restaurant in Frenchtown - STT - Craig and Sally's has closed its doors and the employees are out looking for work today with no advance notice given to them - casting the Why? speculation aside, the venue will be missed - 19 years is certainly close to a record for restaurant longevity here these days.

where'd you hear this??

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Posted : July 25, 2012 4:53 pm
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where'd you hear this??

From , as they say, "the horses mouth, himself" -- and from the unemployed former employees this morning in Frenchtown - the owner couldn't have been more explicit.

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Topic starter Posted : July 25, 2012 5:00 pm
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Their answering machine is still on - maybe if you see "horse's mouth" again you might suggest he change the message to reflect the closing!

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Posted : July 25, 2012 5:03 pm
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wow

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Posted : July 25, 2012 5:03 pm
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http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/from+the+horse%27s+mouth
I did not mean this in any derogatory way - it was an unfortunate choice of an idiom maybe and certainly did not refer to any other equine anatomical parts.

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Topic starter Posted : July 25, 2012 5:23 pm
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http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/from+the+horse%27s+mouth
I did not mean this in any derogatory way - it was an unfortunate choice of an idiom maybe and certainly did not refer to any other equine anatomical parts.

:@)

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Posted : July 25, 2012 5:26 pm
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http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/from+the+horse%27s+mouth
I did not mean this in any derogatory way - it was an unfortunate choice of an idiom maybe and certainly did not refer to any other equine anatomical parts.

I know you didn't! I know who you're talking about and am just surprised that this closing was undertaken so quickly and without anyone apparently having any forewarning, in which case a reference to the other end of the anatomy might be more apt!!!! Businesses close all the time but I'm just feeling badly for the staff who had it sprung on them with no notice at all.

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Posted : July 25, 2012 5:32 pm
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Wow!! Not even a hint, I mean I think even Robert's and Ainsley's employees had a clue something was afoot the day before. How terrible, all the way around!! Sad...so glad we got to eat there, at least once.

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Posted : July 25, 2012 5:53 pm
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Maybe we should start forwarding these to the governor so he can revise his income projections for next year. I'm sure he was counting on those taxes!

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Posted : July 25, 2012 6:16 pm
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Sad to hear Craig and Sally's closing for all concerned and those of us that have enjoyed the wonderful lunches and dinners there over the years. They'll be missed. Many businesses have closed in STT in the last couple years.
Many due to the constantly rising costs of of doing business, particularly, the eletctricity on whom all depend.

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Posted : July 25, 2012 6:32 pm
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Just out of curiousity.................

Is it legal for a business to close its doors without giving proper notice to their employees?
Not saying this was done in this particular circimstance but still?
August is a tough time to find work so I wish everyone well in getting thru the doldrums of summer.

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Posted : July 25, 2012 9:06 pm
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Is it legal for a business to close its doors without giving proper notice to their employees?/quote]

In most parts of the US, employees are considered "at will" unless covered either by a union or a contract, meaning they can be let go for any reason and without any notice. As long as the employees are properly on the books they're eligible for unemployment benefits. Since bartenders and wait staff are usually paid minimum wage and make up the balance with tips which they don't necessarily declare as income, those benefits aren't likely to amount to much.

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Posted : July 25, 2012 9:48 pm
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Just out of curiousity.................

Is it legal for a business to close its doors without giving proper notice to their employees?

Is it legal for employees to quit without giving proper notice to their employers? It should work the same both ways.

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Posted : July 25, 2012 10:46 pm
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Since bartenders and wait staff are usually paid minimum wage and make up the balance with tips which they don't necessarily declare as income, those benefits aren't likely to amount to much.

Since such a big percentage of these tips are now given on credit cards, tip reporting for tax purposes is very well documented and a very different ballgame than the old days of cash tipping - although commonly the tipped employee is charged 2-4% of their tip income which is taxable but never received, which the house represents as the credit card charge - so with minimum hourly or shift pay and credit card tips added together, many employees receive very small paychecks since they are paying withholding, Social Secuity and Medicare on the total income - often those taxes exceed the shift pay and the employee gets a negative check and must reimburse the employer that week instead.
Unemployment checks would reflect the sum total of shift pay and reported tips and certainly help somewhat but most working folks would surely prefer a job.

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Topic starter Posted : July 25, 2012 11:23 pm
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Even "contracted" employees have very little recourse. A private business is under no obligation to stay open for it's employees or to stay open for any reason. I can't believe this is total shock, there must have been signs.....

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Posted : July 26, 2012 12:29 pm
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I was thinking that most reasonable and responsible people would give notice, whether they be employer or employee.

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Posted : July 26, 2012 1:19 pm
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Sorry, but from what I understand, they all knew. It has been talked around Frenchtown for the last few weeks. Their last bartender Eric gave them his two week notice ending last Saturday night. They knew what was in the air. Now I hear Old Stone is closing tomorrow as well?

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Posted : July 26, 2012 1:36 pm
VIsnorkeler
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WHAT??? Old Stone closing, too? I can't believe it...and that's a restaurant I have yet to visit.

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Posted : July 26, 2012 1:40 pm
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Sorry, but from what I understand, they all knew. It has been talked around Frenchtown for the last few weeks. Their last bartender Eric gave them his two week notice ending last Saturday night. They knew what was in the air. Now I hear Old Stone is closing tomorrow as well?

Closing for good or just closing for Aug./Sept. our slowest summer months, as is usual?

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Posted : July 26, 2012 1:54 pm
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Good, as fas as I understand. C & S. Don't know about Old Stone. Will find out more today.

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Posted : July 26, 2012 2:32 pm
Alana33
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Stone Farmhouse has gone thru quite a few owners over the years.
Too bad as it is a beautiful and historical place.

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Posted : July 26, 2012 3:14 pm
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Now I hear Old Stone is closing tomorrow as well?

Cut that coconut telegraph wire! Old Stone is not closing. They will as usual close during September for vacation but otherwise are open and doing fine. The rumor probably came about because their current chef has given notice - but all is well there.

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Posted : July 26, 2012 4:20 pm
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Let's hope they re-open in "season", but I'm not holding my breath. More and more visitors are opting to cook instead of eat out at "expensive" restaurants and are either brining their food with them or buying at Cost U Less.

Tourism, are you listening? Tourism can't contribute to the economy if visitors don't spend money!

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Posted : July 26, 2012 7:11 pm
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