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terry
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No need for the teachers or parents to discipline children, just let the prison guards do it later!

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Posted : February 7, 2014 12:00 am
JulieKay
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No need for the teachers or parents to discipline children, just let the prison guards do it later!

Do you really see physical abuse as the only form of discipline?

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Posted : February 7, 2014 12:24 am
terry
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Some children only need timeouts. Some need a paddling.
I received a few swats in my school days. I would never tell my folks about it or would recieve the same DESERVED thing at home.
Today if a teacher swats poor little Mary or Johnny the parts want the teacher fired and sue the school.
This is one of the reasons schools are doing so badly at teaching the kids today. No disipline at school or in many cases at home.

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Posted : February 7, 2014 2:54 pm
JulieKay
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Some children only need timeouts. Some need a paddling.
I received a few swats in my school days. I would never tell my folks about it or would recieve the same DESERVED thing at home.
Today if a teacher swats poor little Mary or Johnny the parts want the teacher fired and sue the school.
This is one of the reasons schools are doing so badly at teaching the kids today. No disipline at school or in many cases at home.

Sorry, face slapping and throwing kids into walls is never appropriate. And yes, I have seen this with my own eyes.

There's a FAR distance between your "few swats" and what is actually happening. Don't belittle the truth.

Discipline is a separate issue - I agree that effective parenting and discipline without causing physical trauma to children is an issue. But the physical and emotional trauma of corporal punishment - especially the way it is practiced in the VI - is pure abuse. No one has the right to treat another human being abusively just because they're in a weaker position - whether that is child, spouse, elder, or student.

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Posted : February 7, 2014 2:59 pm
Yearasta
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First let me address this

"No need for the teachers or parents to discipline children, just let the prison guards do it later!

It is illegal to hit a prisoner...so that won't be happening....we only allow our kids to be hit...

Next corporal punishment has been around in our schools forever, I even got it in Lew Muckle in the 70's...and look at our crime statistics...so obviously it does not work.

What is baffling is that people want statistics, but only when it suits them. During the last corporal punishment hearing there were 3 psychs that testified that NOTHING positive comes from corporal punishment, The senior legislative counsel at the American Civil Liberties Union flew down and testified that "Aside from the infliction of pain and the physical injuries which often result from the use physical punishments, these violent disciplinary methods impact students’ academic achievement and long-term well-being. In fact, one study found that in states where corporal punishment is frequently used, schools have performed worse academically than those in states that prohibit corporal punishment." The Board of Education and the Department of Education was against it...The only group that was for corporal punishment was the american federation of teachers, which is peculiar because the National AFT is against corporal punishment. After all that testimony showing that nothing good comes out of it...there are those that choose to ignore it and say well I turned out ok.

Do you know that special needs kids get the brunt of the corporal punishment?
Do you know there has been teachers that use all sorts of objects like shoe , staplers, sticks and drum mallets.
Do you know that a child kept falling asleep in class and was beaten by the teacher then it was realized he was falling asleep because he was diabetic and was having an episode.

I could go on and on...the cycle of violence HAS to stop...what are we really teaching them well statistics have shown what we are teaching them.

I truly find it funny to the point of awe that countries like Yemen, Afghanistan, China, Iran, and over 100 more to include 31 states have managed to keep a classroom together WITHOUT the use of corporal punishment....they banned it and their schools havent turned to chaos.

When we were growing up yea we had a few "swats" but we also had quite a few other things...family, setting the table, eating dinner at the table with the TV off...because more and more parents have to work those family values are gone...so why are we only trying to hold on to beating a child ESPECIALLY beating someone else's child....I'll be damned if I dont hit my kids someone else does.

If anyone wants to read the testimony from the last corporal punishment hearing let me know, I'll send it to you.

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Posted : February 7, 2014 3:41 pm
JulieKay
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Thank you Yearasta, you have so much good information.

I agree, the mindset of, "the solution for the ills caused by corporal punishment is MORE corporal punishment" just baffles me. It's false logic.

Corporal punishment causes emotional, psychological, and physical damage to a child, reduces academic performance, and just plain should not happen in a developed society. There are very, very few instances in life where it is valid for one human being to strike another, and being a child is NOT one of them.

Our children deserve better. "Spare the rod, spoil the child" does not mean BEAT a child. It means discipline them. Emotionally mature adults are able to discipline children without physical trauma.

And yes I know this topic comes up over and over but it NEEDS to be discussed until it goes away. I've seen too many times in the VI instances of children being physically abused and adults saying, "he got what was coming to him." The cycle of violence Has. To. Stop.

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Posted : February 7, 2014 4:20 pm
BeachcomberStt
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I do not condone corporal punishment, but I believe emotional and psychological abuse is so much worse than a spank on the butt or a swat on the hand.
As an example by Dr. Phil's quote,

"It takes a thousand 'Atta boy's to erase one 'You're an idiot, you're worthless, you're no good.'"

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Posted : February 7, 2014 4:36 pm
JulieKay
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I do not condone corporal punishment, but I believe emotional and psychological abuse is so much worse than a spank on the butt or a swat on the hand.
As an example by Dr. Phil's quote,

"It takes a thousand 'Atta boy's to erase one 'You're an idiot, you're worthless, you're no good.'"

Correct, that's emotional abuse.

Abuse is abuse, whether physical, mental, or emotional. A spank on the butt is no better or worse than calling a child an idiot - both are trauma, and both are abuse. It needs to stop.

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Posted : February 7, 2014 4:50 pm
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i do not equate a swat on the butt to a beating. imo they are very different animals and to lump them all together is wrong imo

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Posted : February 7, 2014 8:24 pm
JulieKay
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i do not equate a swat on the butt to a beating. imo they are very different animals and to lump them all together is wrong imo

No they are not the same. But neither should happen as a form of discipline. I do not understand why people think slapping their children is a way to make a point. It is a base, animal, behavior. God gave us brains and mouths for a reason.

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Posted : February 7, 2014 8:25 pm
JulieKay
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...And to get back to the original point of the thread, the corporal punishment in schools that Senator Buckley is seeking to outlaw is not a "swat on the butt." These kids are most often abused by their teachers.

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Posted : February 7, 2014 8:29 pm
speee1dy
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abuse should be outlawed, and a slap on the face is not the same as a swat on the butt either

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Posted : February 7, 2014 9:10 pm
JulieKay
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Do you "swat" your spouse when he/she does something wrong or upsetting? How about your best friend? Your parents? Why is it okay to "swat" a child and not an adult? If you really think children lack the ability to reason and need a "physical reminder" via pain we should all go back to living in caves and being amazed at the miracle of fire.

We can be better.

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Posted : February 7, 2014 9:29 pm
JulieKay
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Today's message from Senator Buckley:

"Thank you to all who have signed the petition. Please keep sharing and get the message out. We need voices. Lots of voices lifted up to protect our Territory's children.

There are far too many voices currently using anecdotal histories from "their" childhood that it's ok to hit kids. "They" turned out fine. Too many ignore the sound data that shows that it has an adverse affect on children. We have received too many RECENT reports of "discipline" bordering abuse in the classrooms of elementary and special needs children.

Please continue to help us spread the word and speak up for the children of the US Virgin Islands. Share this email with other concerned parents and friends. Post a link to the petition on your Facebook Page.

There is a better way."

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Posted : February 7, 2014 9:29 pm
Yearasta
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