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Iris Tramm
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I'll answer my own question:

When people stop caring about fish fries and t-shirts and start paying attention to policy and follow-through.

IT

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Posted : September 3, 2014 9:38 pm
pt
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Ms. Hansen's attorneys made an irrefutable point: The voters knew what they were getting and they elected her anyway. No different than what happens up north at every election so why should it be otherwise in the VI? Here, at least, it's out in the open.

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Posted : September 4, 2014 11:43 am
speee1dy
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well, she has been pardoned. but i do believe office holders should be held to a higher standard

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Posted : September 4, 2014 11:59 am
Alana33
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I am truly in shock but utimately not surprised. I find it completely reprehensible that Gov. DeJongh has pardoned this woman for her "willfully committed crimes" after the supreme court decision. Birds of a feather, flock together, after all.

I have completely lost any respect I ever had for him during the course of his tenure and continue to be disgusted by her.

What is wrong with Crucian people that they continue to elect this woman who went out of her way to cheat and defraud them and the rest of us?

This is quite the death knell for honesty, ethical standards, and integrity.

We are governed by crooks and thieves in a little better than a 3rd world society where our leaders all have their hands in someone elses pocket and have no standards of decency.

"Lawmakers should not be Law breakers."

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Posted : September 4, 2014 1:09 pm
terry
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They continue to re-elect her because she gives or tries to give them free stuff!
Criminals get re-elected. Look at history, Edward Kennedy got re-elected several times after the suspicious death of the girl ( his lover?? ) on that bridge. I anyone of us had done what he had done, both the driving and the cover-up, do you think we would have gotten the same treatment?

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Posted : September 4, 2014 1:16 pm
OldTart
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Ford pardoned Nixon for way more reprehensible legal malfeasance.

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Posted : September 4, 2014 1:18 pm
noOne
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Yeah, OT, like Gov. Farrelly pardoning Raphael Joseph on his way out, one of the Fountain Valley Five massacre fame:

FOUNTAIN VALLEY PUT V.I. IN UNWANTED SPOTLIGHT

Twelve years later, Joseph was among group of individuals convicted of felonies ranging from embezzlement to murder who received Christmas-time pardons from Gov. Alexander A. Farrelly as he was ending his second and final term of office. The governor's action prompted a storm of controversy and public outrage.

OT brought something old up first.

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Posted : September 4, 2014 3:59 pm
speee1dy
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it stuns me that any of them could have ever been let out for any reason. this islands lack of morals astounds me every day

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Posted : September 4, 2014 6:51 pm
OldTart
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this islands lack of morals astounds me every day

Just curious but where in the world do you think is better in this respect?

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Posted : September 4, 2014 7:01 pm
ms411
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Caribbean islanders have always been very vocal about their politicians thanks in part to the calypsonians constantly revealing them in songs.

Not sure of a comparable cultural figure in other cultures, so "misdeeds" often go unnoticed stateside if the newspaper doesn't cover it. Misdeeds can be hidden, ignored, or closeted in larger communities. Not so in smaller.

I remember my dad telling me years ago when living in Indiana that winning political office is a license to steal. I see now why he said that.

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Posted : September 4, 2014 7:13 pm
speee1dy
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well, ot, it might just be as stated above, that because it is such a small community, that it seems so much more.

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Posted : September 4, 2014 7:30 pm
OldTart
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... because it is such a small community, that it seems so much more.

On the mark!

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Posted : September 4, 2014 7:55 pm
aussie
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Nah! That's bunk. I came from a smaller community with a population just a bit larger than STX. There was one homicide in 7 years and no one I knew was ever the victim of a crime. Pure BS.

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Posted : September 4, 2014 8:22 pm
OldTart
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Nah! That's bunk. I came from a smaller community with a population just a bit larger than STX. There was one homicide in 7 years and no one I knew was ever the victim of a crime. Pure BS.

That wasn't the point being made ...

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Posted : September 4, 2014 8:38 pm
aussie
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Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought the point being made was that crime seems to be magnified when you live in a small community. If so, I disagree.

I lived in a smaller community stateside and I live in a smaller community here. The reason that there seems to be so much more crime here is because there is so much more crime here. Pretty simple really.

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Posted : September 4, 2014 8:45 pm
Iris Tramm
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Ford pardoned Nixon for way more reprehensible legal malfeasance.

So that makes it okay for DeJongh (and that idiot who pardoned one of the Fountain Valley killers) to engage in equally reprehensible and immoral behavior? Nixon was wrong too. Just as Clinton was to pardon Marc Rich.

This whole thing just disgusts me. At least in Chicago they try to HIDE their malfeasance. Here, everyone is all "Hey, I can do whatever the fcuk I want because the populace will vote for me anyway!" It's just a gigantic FU to the people who live and work here with INTEGRITY.

IT

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Posted : September 4, 2014 9:05 pm
ICEMAN
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Future Governor Chucky Hansen. Soon come.

Just Incredible the nonsense that goes on.

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Posted : September 5, 2014 12:07 am
ms411
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The people who work with integrity are in a minority, and I admire their ability to survive.

But, I know of several businesses who considered themselves to be legal in all regards and sanctimonious about it, when they were definitely violating some law.

The politicians are more visible than the businesses who are doing "creative" things, so there are many violators here and around the world that are never revealed.

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Posted : September 5, 2014 12:08 am
Rowdy802
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A few interesting articles and opinions about the situation sorrounding the "honorable" Hansen...

Letter to the governor from the League of Women Voters...

http://www.viconsortium.com/virgin-islands-2/de-jongh-pardons-hansen/

Open letter to the governor...

http://www.viconsortium.com/opinion/letter-to-governor-de-jongh/

Interesting interview with Elections Chairman for the St. Croix District Adelbert Bryan...

http://www.viconsortium.com/politics/chucky-hansen-pardon/

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Posted : September 5, 2014 10:58 am
Alana33
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Thanks for posting the Links, Rowdy.

I especially liked this quote: "however there’s another roadblock that may prevent the Senator from being placed on the ballot, and it’s Elections Supervisor Caroline Fawkes.

Fawkes would essentially be neglecting the Supreme Court’s order by allowing Senator Hansen’s name on the ballot and could be held in contempt of court."

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Posted : September 5, 2014 11:11 am
Rowdy802
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Thanks for posting the Links, Rowdy.

😉

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Posted : September 5, 2014 11:25 am
Alana33
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Here's another quote from the letter written by the League of Women's Voters:

"Further, it should be noted that a pardon is merely a restoration of her civil rights. It is our opinion that it does not apply retroactively but is prospective in nature. Even if she were to be pardoned now, it would mean that she would be eligible in the next election cycle, not this one, as she was not pardoned prior to the time of her election filings and was at that time, per the mandate of the Supreme Court’s decision, ineligible to run."

Well, we'll see how this dog and pony show turns out.
Note the deafening silence from the remaining Senators who show their true colors by their silence.

"A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves."

-- Bertrand de Jouvenel

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Posted : September 5, 2014 1:20 pm
Jamison
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so she can or can't become a Senator again? She WILL get the majority votes again, we all know that.

If her supporters all show and vote for her, which the will, that will open the doors for the competent candidates.

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Posted : September 5, 2014 1:49 pm
Novanut
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Thanks for the updates. Chucky and Lee may have more teflon on them then slick Willy.

Is viconsortium.com a new site? Seems like it to me. Who owns it?

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Posted : September 5, 2014 2:18 pm
Alana33
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so she can or can't become a Senator again? She WILL get the majority votes again, we all know that.

If her supporters all show and vote for her, which the will, that will open the doors for the competent candidates.

Not an attorney but my understanding is that since she was ineligible at the time of filing to run in this upcoming election due to Supreme Court's decision, that she should have to sit out a 2 year term before she can be placed on the ballot in the future.

This is why I feel we will be subject to another dog and pony show, this time by the Board of Elections, to decide the issue and they could be in contempt of the Supreme Court by placing her on this year's ballot.
That's my understanding, anyway.

I seriously don't know how competent any of these candidates or present sitting senators are and it's quite disheartening. None of them obviously are capable of balancing a budget as we have all seen in the past.

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Posted : September 5, 2014 2:44 pm
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