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Trade
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You sure aren't & the endangered lizard thread was about as subtle as a train wreck.

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Posted : September 30, 2009 5:11 pm
Lizard
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Roto,
There is no readier way for a man to bring his own worth into question than by endeavoring to detract from the worth of other men!

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Posted : September 30, 2009 6:41 pm
rotorhead
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Roto,
There is no readier way for a man to bring his own worth into question than by endeavoring to detract from the worth of other men!

Awesome! another pearl of wisdom. I feel so ignorant in your presence.

I don't want to add, just want to show you how ignorant you really are. You don't like it too bad!

So see, I guess that you have accomplished your goal.

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Posted : September 30, 2009 6:55 pm
Lizard
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Roto,
Don't find fault with what you don't understand!

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Posted : September 30, 2009 7:04 pm
Michaelds9
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Lizard it would appear you are breaking the 7 th vow.

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Posted : September 30, 2009 7:12 pm
rotorhead
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Roto,
Don't find fault with what you don't understand!

Is that another koan? Antiqueone, help me here, is this another koan? Liz you are sooo deep. I don't think that I will ever be able to understand! I have decided not to fight you and just bask in your "vastly superior intellect". [That's a quote from The Wrath of Khan btw.]

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Posted : September 30, 2009 7:19 pm
Lizard
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Roto,
The best part of knowledge is that which teaches us where knowledge leaves off and ignorance begins! [That's a quote from Lizard BTW.] That's a fact you are guilty of.

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Posted : September 30, 2009 7:36 pm
rotorhead
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To get back on topic,

Two weeks ago my boat along with 2 others was broken into at Green Cay marina. A live aboard at the marina saw the perp and called the police. They actually arrived in time to chase the perp who jumped into the water with a fishing rod from one of the boats in his hand. He swam to the mangroves across from the marina. The police chased him down and cuffed him. Apparently he was high and violent and fought the police, even kicking in one of the door panels on the police car.

The marina called me and we went down to look over the damage. They had thrown a wine bottle through the window and smashed two other windows. There appeared to be a lot of forensic evidence. So, we stopped by the Marshal Command on the way home to get more information and to see if they wanted access to the boat for forensics. I spoke to the desk officer and the Capt. They promised that the forensics person would call within a couple of hours. No Call. I dropped in again the next day. No Call. I called the station the third day. No Call. They told me that I would have to wait 5-7 days to see the police report.

I waited then went back down to the Marshall Command. They explained that I would have to go to the Fredericksted office and pay $15 to get a copy of the police report. The police have never called or returned my calls.

You have to love the Virgin Islands.

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Posted : September 30, 2009 7:38 pm
rotorhead
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Roto,
The best part of knowledge is that which teaches us where knowledge leaves off and ignorance begins! [That's a quote from Lizard BTW.] That's a fact you are guilty of.

Awesome, I certainly am glad that I have you around to point out all of my faults. You do a wonderful job keeping all of us on track on this forum, especially me. I don't know how I will ever be able to repay your kindness! You are sooo cool Liz.

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Posted : September 30, 2009 7:43 pm
Lizard
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Roto,
You should never forget that you learn in moments of enjoyment. I'M glad I was able to help.

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Posted : September 30, 2009 7:49 pm
dougtamjj
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What's the 7th vow?

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Posted : September 30, 2009 7:56 pm
Michaelds9
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Don't disparage others or brag upon yourself depending which practice the Zen student chooses.

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Posted : September 30, 2009 8:25 pm
dougtamjj
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Thanks Michael:-)

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Posted : September 30, 2009 8:31 pm
rotorhead
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On the boat break in.
They held a probable cause hearing the same day that the police caught the perp and let him go.
The judge decided that they did not have probable cause to hold him.

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Posted : September 30, 2009 8:53 pm
JohnOTD
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I know I would feel safer with a cop on every corner.
Put the guns in the hands of those who know how to use them.

Uttica,

Have you ever heard the phrase, "Familiarity breeds contempt"? Many police officers practice only the minimum number of hours they are required to in order to hold their jobs. They do not appreciate or enjoy their firearms and many times are not as proficient as they could be. (Please notice I didn't say "they do not appreciate 'shooting people'" I said, "they do not appreciate their firearms", so don't twist that in any way.)

A private individual who doesn't use a firearm in their profession but shoots for hobby and carries is generally more proficient than a lot of police you will find.

In addition to that cop on every corner, when would you like the curfew to be?

Lizard,

I'm still waiting for you to clarify which race you were referring to. Also, how do you have any idea how much "time i've spent in the saddle"? Don't make assumptions, you don't know how old I am, what I've seen or any of what has influenced my views.

Beyond that, every contribution of yours to this thread I have seen has been nothing but Confucian blurbs that contribute nothing of value to the topic at hand but only serve to either make yourself seem more intelligent or subtly attack those who disagree with you.

How about you form a defensible opinion of your own on this topic and then (and only then) contribute to the discussion.

-John

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Posted : September 30, 2009 10:20 pm
antiqueone
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When we went down to the shooting gallery to learn how to use our new firearms, we were in with a bunch of security guards and I was in awe of them until I saw them shoot. I, a real novice, was doing 10 times better than they were. Scary!

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Posted : September 30, 2009 10:34 pm
Lizard
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JohnOTD,
Here goes the clarification John, You don't live on the island yet, so you really have no experience about crime on the island. That was my reference to time in the saddle. The race being that more police would create a police state (it's obvious you know nothing about the status of the police on the island) and the need for more police. Don't compare what happens on the big island to what happens here. Oh BTW on your first post you said you were 24 yrs old and going to move here on Oct 10, 2009. That statement hardly makes you an expert on what should, could, or will happen with more police on St Croix. So like I said before spend a little more time in the saddle before you attempt that race. Welcome to the USVI.

Oh I forgot, none of my statements are confucian. LOL

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Posted : October 1, 2009 12:51 am
JohnOTD
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Lizard,

Your statements also aren't Koan statements as they do not go against logic or require merely intuition. At best they're just empty statements made to make you look thoughtful.

Beyond that, if the current police aren't meeting what you think their job is, what makes you think more police will be an improvement? That's the same logic going into the 'solutions' for our economic situation. "Our economy is in shambles because of government intervention in the past, let's intervene more." It has become and will continue to be a downward spiral with no end in sight for the economy. It will be the same way with increasing a police force, wherever you may be. Maybe I don't know a hell of a lot about cops on the island, but I know what I have read here and I don't think "a cop on every corner" is the solution. The solution is for people to learn to be responsible for themselves again and not wait for Momma G(overnment) to put her teet of false protection and provision in their mouths. Follow your ideas to their logical end before putting them forward. I've done so, how about you?

Further, you may know my age, but that says nothing about my experience or education (or lack thereof, which is probably what you'll try to attack next).

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Posted : October 1, 2009 1:39 am
Lizard
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John there is no need to attack you! You do a good job all by yourself. If you are still on the island a year from now, I would like to continue this discussion then. Until next year Good Night.

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Posted : October 1, 2009 1:55 am
Uttica
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JohnOTD,

Who are you referring to when you say a curfew? A curfew for who exactly? I don't remember saying anything about a curfew, but if you are asking, I fully support the curfew for minors.

I do stand by my "cop on every corner" statement. If every Joe (or John in your case) carries a gun, I can just see hoodlums enter a crowded restaurant with guns and ten innocent patrons having dinner pull their guns. Who shoots at who? If the guy at the table next to you points his gun your way, are you going to stop and ask for a gun license before you shoot? Better answer quick, because he may shoot you first. Then who is in the wrong? You are pointing a gun at him, right? Sounds like a recipe for the O.K. Corral.

Let the professionals carry the guns. Support giving police authority to the Feds.

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Posted : October 1, 2009 2:00 am
JohnOTD
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Lizard,

Until you decided to come in and make personal attacks, there was a healthy discussion going here. At least I understand now how to read your posts; with no credibility whatsoever.

Uttica,

I was not implying that you mentioned curfews. My implication was that with a cop on every corner, for the common good, you eventually have a mandatory curfew for all citizens, for the common good.

In response to your restaurant example, beyond the fact that you would most likely be able to pick out the criminals by something in their dress (i.e. concealing their faces), not to mention that you referred to 'hoodlums' who will probably be dressed like they're from 'the hood'. If they were to 'burst into the door and start shooting', it's simple; shoot the guys with guns at the door, if someone is at a table, he's probably not a criminal. Furthermore, if you are carrying concealed and you are not fully aware of the situation, your probably shouldn't be carrying concealed for one, and two assess the situation from a relatively safe place and then react appropriately.

Beyond that, cops are paid by tax dollars. There is no need for 'customer' satisfaction. If your salary was guaranteed by tax dollars, you wouldn't have to be concerned with whether or not people were satisfied with your work; you would only have to do enough to not get fired (to quote office space) and not do something so crazy that you got fired (like the recent murderous cop in the USVI). Again, I do not mean all cops, there are plenty of cops who work hard and do what they can to protect and serve; but there are also those who do just what it takes to get by, even if those who they are meant to protect and serve get harmed because they were doing the bare minimum. They still get paid because their funding is guaranteed.

Thank you for discussing maturely, Uttica. That is what I was hoping to find in this thread. 🙂

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Posted : October 1, 2009 2:16 am
rotorhead
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Lizard,
Until you decided to come in and make personal attacks, there was a healthy discussion going here. At least I understand now how to read your posts; with no credibility whatsoever.

John,
That is the way of the Lizard. He did the same thing over on a thread discussing atheism in the usvi until the moderator came in and closed the thread. The discussion had been going on for 4 months until Liz moved in. He didn't like the topic of discussion so he shut it down. You will find that most of Lizard's posts either attack someone personally or tell them how uninformed they are. He is an expert on everything and oh so witty. I'm sure that he cracks himself up!

"Lizards are part of a group of animals known as reptiles. They are most closely related to snakes."

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Posted : October 1, 2009 2:38 am
Lizard
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Roto,
The man who can anger you, conquers you! Gotcha!

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Posted : October 1, 2009 2:55 am
rotorhead
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Roto,
The man who can anger you, conquers you! Gotcha!

Awesome Lizard. You are just too smart for me. You win!

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Posted : October 1, 2009 4:40 am
rotorhead
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Lizard,
Until you decided to come in and make personal attacks, there was a healthy discussion going here. At least I understand now how to read your posts; with no credibility whatsoever.

John,
If you feel that you were the victim of a personal attack you should contact the moderator and let them know. You are new on the forum and the moderator is always interested in knowing how new people are treated.

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Posted : October 1, 2009 4:43 am
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