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Tippi
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Yikes the Front Page of the Daily News Today

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Topic starter Posted : March 25, 2009 11:45 am
islandtyme
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Rumor has it STT also has thugs with rocket launchers.......:-o

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Posted : March 25, 2009 2:13 pm
Tippi
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thugs...as in Gang or Posse?

We've been told there's a difference between a gang member and a posse member....where would thug fit in?

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Topic starter Posted : March 25, 2009 2:30 pm
jones_st.croix
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Don't you love how the law here keeps guns out of the hands of responsible citizens and the thugs get automatic weapons and possibly worse. If more members of society were able to gain a concealed weapons permit you would see crime rates go down. Do the reasearch, almost all places with active concealed permits have lower crime rates than those without. And when a crime is met with armed resistance crime rates dramatically decrease for months in that area. Criminals here know that almost everyone is unarmed.

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Posted : March 25, 2009 3:00 pm
Betty
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Yeah but look what happened to that poor AG that used his gun when a thug was attacking people with two knives. The local govt is not supporting him at all.

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Posted : March 25, 2009 3:19 pm
islandtyme
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Sadly the few people I know with registered guns have been broken into multiple times......strangely shortly after the registration each one got broke into & ram sacked. :-X (and continue to be victums......hmmmmmmmm)
So I guess someone on the inside must get a nice lil profit from sharing that *ahem* secured info.

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Posted : March 25, 2009 3:58 pm
trw
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well i know the father of the kid with the knife and he blames the whole thing on the mother that insisted on coddling the child instead of letting the father put the kid to work on his landscaping crew and being exposed to hard work and a father that cared about and loved his son but was stymied by a mother with custody,who let her son live with her in the projects and work a minimum wage job washing dishes,lots of bitterness in that relationship,who knows how different it would have been had the father been allowed to help parent his son

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Posted : March 25, 2009 4:23 pm
speee1dy
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islandtyme, we have a registered , registered well over two years or more and so far no one has tried to steal the gun. so far so good. even though the kid who was killed was wrong and had had two previous issues with the law this year i feel bad for his family. that being said i think that my bf would have done the same thing. my bf even said that in all of the places he has had to take gun safety classes, he was told if you need to use your gun empty the clip.

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Posted : March 26, 2009 11:03 am
Trade
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I know a few here on STT who have permits for guns who have never been robbed. I liked what (U.S. Attorney) Paul Murphy said:

"Penalties deter people who have a sense of consequence. We have criminals here who do not consider the consequences. If they did, they would not consider killing someone. Some of these people you just have to put in jail. That's what will stop them."

Too bad that too often they never get put in jail. I suspect in a lot of cases these thugs weren't raised, they just grew older. I had a mother who had eyes all over her head & don't think I ever got by with anything & if I misbehaved anywhere, the punishment was swift & inevitable & I knew it. The teacher was always backed even when clearly wrong. In that rare case, I was told I'd be working for difficult people when I grew up & that I wouldn't have that teacher forever so learn to deal with it. Naturally, I don't mean that truly abusive teachers would have been tolerated but I feel for teachers who have parents who don't care or those whose little darlings can do NO wrong & woebetide if that teacher tries to set the kid straight. Most of the brats grow up to be adult brats but not usually murderers & thugs but some do & this is what happens.

If none of us here hadn't learned early that every action has a consequence, good or bad I wonder how our lives would have been different? That old axiom, "It takes a village to raise a child" no longer is effective because if the neighbor lady reports that 10 year old little Johnny was breaking windows down the street the neighbor lady would probably have Mama in her face calling her a liar while Johnny smirks behind his mother's skirt. Who knows hwere ltitle Johnny's father is?

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Posted : March 26, 2009 11:31 am
islandtyme
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Speedy, glad to hear you haven't been targeted! Hopefully it remains so. I would like to think the folks I know were random, but some how I truly doubt it.
As loss of life is sad, in this case blame the judge who let the Slimy Thug out on bail. If he was still behind bars, maybe he'd be alive today.
Any case, I hope the families of the victims & the dead slime find peace.

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Posted : March 26, 2009 1:26 pm
trw
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jeez i read 2 more incidents about STT in the daily news today,an old driver told me that at least over here on STX all the guns are coming in through hess containers and other shipping containers at the cargo port,who knows,at this rate it's going to be a long hot summer down here,oh and they are waiting for the queen to decide if they can continue with the hangings on st kitts

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Posted : March 26, 2009 2:16 pm
islandtyme
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For Tippi

Posse - A gang involved in crimes such as running guns and illegal narcotics trafficking.

Gang - a group of persons associated for some criminal or other antisocial purpose: a gang of thieves.

Thug - a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.

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Posted : March 26, 2009 2:43 pm
QueenofdeRock
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I've known people who ship the guns disassembled parts in separate boxes through the post office. This method to get guns is a rather slow on a container would be the fastest.

If I had to a fire a weapon I would definitely empty the clip.

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Posted : March 26, 2009 3:09 pm
islandjoan
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so queen, you have knowlege of people importing illegal guns into the territory?

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Posted : March 26, 2009 3:36 pm
no0ne
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Here is an online version of the article:

http://www.virginislandsdailynews.com/index.pl/article_home?id=17634360

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Posted : March 26, 2009 3:58 pm
delossw
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Are there guns shops on STT where you can buy handguns, shotguns, etc? I basically grew up in Memphis, TN which has one of the highest murder/crime rates in the world, but it was such a large city I never worried about crime. Is crime a day to day worry for those of you in STT?

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Posted : March 26, 2009 6:31 pm
speee1dy
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delossw
i dont worry about it on a day to day basis, i just dont really think about it. we do lock our car doors and where we are renting, we have bars and gates to keep us locked in and when we go downtown at night my bf usually carries his gun ( carry permit included ). we live on stx, dont know if the crime is less or more on stt. on stx i think there are two shooting ranges where you can purchase after you take your lessons. i lived outside of dc for years, another crime capital, never worried there either. no matter where you live you have to worry a bit and be on the lookout i think most crime here is drug related. now we have been burglurized about 5 times in the 4 1/2 years ive lived here.

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Posted : March 26, 2009 9:01 pm
islandtyme
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Interesting Speedy, you mentioned no one has tried to steal your gun, yet you've been broken into like 5 times in 4.5 yrs.
Sad! Goes back to my theory....registration = higher break in %
No gun here & after 6 yrs, only had the radio stolen from our car like 4-5 yrs ago.
Any case hope you & everyone stays safe.

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Posted : March 27, 2009 1:13 pm
Tippi
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One Source had an interesting article yesterday titled " Shooting: 'They're Turning St. Thomas Into Dodge City'"

Link to read: http://www.onepaper.com/stthomasvi/?v=d&i=&s=News:Local&p=1223616767

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Topic starter Posted : March 28, 2009 2:10 pm
pamela
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Odd thing passed through my mind Friday while in a hurry to get home and needing some lunch for the crew. Chose McDonalds because two people have been shot in the last two weeks while waiting in the drive through of Kentucky Fried Chicken. Told my husband last night that sitting in the drivethrough there would have been just a little stressful. Now, that is a shame!

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Posted : March 29, 2009 3:57 pm
GoodToGo
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Eh, I've been off-island for the past several days and haven't heard about the KFC shootings. Did these happen on STX or STT? Either way I think I've got an excuse to not go there the next time the family calls me on the way from work to stop by and get them something...

Odd thing passed through my mind Friday while in a hurry to get home and needing some lunch for the crew. Chose McDonalds because two people have been shot in the last two weeks while waiting in the drive through of Kentucky Fried Chicken. Told my husband last night that sitting in the drivethrough there would have been just a little stressful. Now, that is a shame!

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Posted : March 30, 2009 3:57 am
East Ender
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While both incidents were in the area of Ft Mylner, I don't believe KFC had anything to do with either one. One started on a safari, the other, bad guys fleeing from the OHC area.

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Posted : March 30, 2009 9:49 pm
immanuel
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Well I just booked my trip for July to STT today and get on the forum and read this thread. It makes me wonder if I have made a mistake to come visit what I thought was a reasonably safe place. I know crime is everywhere but am I going to have to stay behind locked gates like I did in South Africa a few years ago? Is it really that violent down there or are these isolated incidents?

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Posted : March 31, 2009 1:13 am
A Davis
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that's a tough question to answer, no way to predict how things will be by july.

i do know that both the police and the community have been very active and that several arrests have been made, and now it's all in the court system. now we can desire that the police and witnesses are stable in their presentation of evidence in order that the courts can do their job well. i expect that any further incident will be met with equal conviction and swiftness.

over the past several months there have been many more community tips leading to apprehensions, and now that crime stoppers ( http://www.crimestoppersusvi.org/) is here, guaranteed anonymity. i heard one of the reps for the group say on a local radio station, that some of the tipsters don't even want the reward, they just want justice for the victims and peace for all.

i've said it, lots of people have said it, and now it is ringing true. when we make the u.s. virgin islands safe for ourselves, they are automatically safe for everyone.

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Posted : March 31, 2009 2:11 am
Trade
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Immanuel, we all go to work & go about our daily business in these same areas every single day & are alive & well to tell about it. How many were killed in a matter of minutes on 9/11 yet nobody is avoiding going to NYC. Come enjoy your vacation. I'm sure all will go well.

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Posted : March 31, 2009 10:18 am
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