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East End Doug
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I haven't seen the Roseway as of late. Have they left STX for the season?

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Topic starter Posted : April 1, 2012 11:10 am
Beeski
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Yes, they left just after St. Patrick's Day

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Posted : April 1, 2012 11:12 am
speee1dy
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i heard they went to another island for a while, not sure if thats true or not

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Posted : April 1, 2012 2:25 pm
marlene
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They sailed over to St. Thomas and are taking UVI students out sailing. Their port to leave to the mainland is in Puerto Rico leaving 4/8

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Posted : April 1, 2012 11:20 pm
Lubbie
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They were in Coral Bay, St. John Friday through Sunday for the Kids and the Sea benefit and are planning on returning to the Mainland very soon. They are planning to be back in St. John for the Coral Bay Yacht Club Flotilla for the Guy Benjamin School and KATS functions next year, but I don't know about any other plans. What a wonderful captain, crew and vessel! It was a thrill to be on-board!

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Posted : April 2, 2012 12:25 pm
OldTart
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Their stay on STX was curtailed because of funding problems. There were articles in both the Daily News and on The Source a couple of months back documenting all the issues and you can probably find the whole story in the archives.

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Posted : April 2, 2012 2:03 pm
Lucy
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Here is their schedule for the rest of the spring, summer and fall. Should be back to STX after hurricane season.

http://www.worldoceanschool.org/upcoming-events/upcoming-events

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Posted : April 2, 2012 3:32 pm
OldTart
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Here is their schedule for the rest of the spring, summer and fall. Should be back to STX after hurricane season.

http://www.worldoceanschool.org/upcoming-events/upcoming-events/blockquote >

IF the government funding gets sorted out!

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Posted : April 2, 2012 5:11 pm
Iris Tramm
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Losing the Roseway would be a crying shame -- in a few short years, it has become as iconic of a symbol of STX as the Danish fort or our arcade-filled streets. The experiences it provided to our public school kids was and is unparalleled in the curriculum offered here. I will never understand why the Department of Education pulled funding on that project.

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Posted : April 2, 2012 9:30 pm
NugBlazer
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Here is their schedule for the rest of the spring, summer and fall. Should be back to STX after hurricane season.

http://www.worldoceanschool.org/upcoming-events/upcoming-events/blockquote >

IF the government funding gets sorted out!

Which, of course, it won't. I was hanging out with a bunch of the Roseway workers a few weeks before they left and they all said that she's not coming back. I doubt the Roseway will ever be seen in STX again. Sad. I hope I'm wrong.

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Posted : April 5, 2012 9:57 pm
Exit Zero
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The Schooner Roseway is licensed for up to 76 passengers for some events - how many STX residents chartered her for daysails this past season? - how many cocktail parties did they host aboard for friends or business groups? - how many T shirts,hats etc. did the boat sell to locals to help support the vessel? How many sunset cruises did the community book and did they frquently participate in the educational cruises - How many fundraising events did the community put together to give the Roseway some help? -- how many STX people are onboard now paying for a unique opportunity to sail to Bermuda and Savannah or Boston? Is there a "Friends of Roseway' group trying to keep her in STX?? It takes a huge effort among a lot of folks to support and keep a Tall Ship in a Homeport and make her part of your Community - a ship like her can be a symbol of STX for years but Government support is a small part of it and a bonus if it happens at all for most Tall Ship operations - - - -More than anything it involves everyone taking the tours offered, chartering her for your business or family, buying tickets on scheduled sailing excursions, arranging for evening cocktails and hors d'oeuvres dockside or at anchor in the harbour, even making outright donations to support the educational programs - these are all just part of what it takes to keep a Tall Ship like Roseway sailing and maintained and on your waterfront. Taking schoolchildren sailing is usually a way for the vessel to pay back the community for their financial support, rarely a primary mission.
I expect Roseway is looking for a city and population that will offer commercial opportunties and support beyond what was found in the USVI.

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Posted : April 6, 2012 1:52 am
Exit Zero
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I was really hoping to hear back from any of the rather active STX posters with their tales of support for the Roseway - did the community take any advantage of the sailing opportunities offered commercially by the vessel?
It is unrealistic to depend on Govt. support alone - or at all really - to sustain a Tall Ship program homeporting anywhere.

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Posted : April 10, 2012 7:57 pm
blu4u
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Exit, tells us about the corporate/private parties you booked on the Roseway.. Did you sponser a school group from all saints? How bout a fund raiser for a local charity? Do tell...

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Posted : April 11, 2012 1:57 am
Exit Zero
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BLU4U - I don't understand why you would call me out on this- ?? - I am merely trying to gauge the support level Roseway experienced in STX from the many STX residents that usually post on this site and the likelihood of her returning - I don't believe she offered any STT sailing opportunities for us over here - No one in our family attended All Saints and I have no connection there so the point of that question eludes me. I certainly have attended many charity functions for a wide and varied group of community organizations and given them financial support to the best of my means in my 37+ years of USVI residence but don't see how that is remotely relevant to the Roseway posting.
Most of my working career has been spent as a professional Captain including years of command on a Tall Ship visiting numerous US, Canadian, Caribbean and Foreign Ports so my interest in this thread was purely personal although I haven't visited STX since before Hugo and know little more about the dynamics there then I glean from the Daily News, Avis, radio and TV and forums like this.

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Posted : April 11, 2012 4:14 am
IslandHops
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There are many, many folks here on STX that provide financial support directly to the Roseway (World Ocean School) program. This is one of the few real opportunities for our islands youth to learn teamwork, and get a taste of the sea.

Recently Stan Joines, a teacher from Central High who sails his boat with an ever changing crew from the school, successfully won his class at both the STT, and BVI regatta's. They were the only local boat to manage this feat. When the Governor presented the trophy to the kids, it was mentioned how their interest in sailing was a result of their experience on the Roseway. We can only hope the Governor listened well. 😎

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Posted : April 11, 2012 12:09 pm
dougtamjj
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Our homeschool group took a charter on the Roseway. We had so many kids that they could not accomodate us all.

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Posted : April 11, 2012 12:52 pm
Beeski
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my wife and I and friends supported the Roseway fundraiser at the Dock this past January, and the fundraisers the previous years at Ha'Penny and the Yacht Club. I hope to see them back in Csted Harbor next November.

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Posted : April 11, 2012 2:04 pm
OldTart
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blu4u, since you obviously expected ExitZero to go from STT to STX to support the Roseway, how did your own trip go? 😀

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Posted : April 11, 2012 3:59 pm
Iris Tramm
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The Schooner Roseway is licensed for up to 76 passengers for some events - how many STX residents chartered her for daysails this past season? - how many cocktail parties did they host aboard for friends or business groups? - how many T shirts,hats etc. did the boat sell to locals to help support the vessel? How many sunset cruises did the community book and did they frquently participate in the educational cruises - How many fundraising events did the community put together to give the Roseway some help? -- how many STX people are onboard now paying for a unique opportunity to sail to Bermuda and Savannah or Boston? Is there a "Friends of Roseway' group trying to keep her in STX?? It takes a huge effort among a lot of folks to support and keep a Tall Ship in a Homeport and make her part of your Community - a ship like her can be a symbol of STX for years but Government support is a small part of it and a bonus if it happens at all for most Tall Ship operations - - - -More than anything it involves everyone taking the tours offered, chartering her for your business or family, buying tickets on scheduled sailing excursions, arranging for evening cocktails and hors d'oeuvres dockside or at anchor in the harbour, even making outright donations to support the educational programs - these are all just part of what it takes to keep a Tall Ship like Roseway sailing and maintained and on your waterfront. Taking schoolchildren sailing is usually a way for the vessel to pay back the community for their financial support, rarely a primary mission.
I expect Roseway is looking for a city and population that will offer commercial opportunties and support beyond what was found in the USVI.

The Government support wasn't small. The Roseway was, first and foremost, a SCHOOL. They weren't just "taking schoolchildren sailing". It's primary mission -- contrary to your statement above -- was, in fact, an eductional one for kids. The DOE, as I understand it, pulled funding for the program because they didn't want the kids out of school during the day. (Right, like they were out there sipping cocktails.) Instead, the DOE wanted them to hold the edu programs after school which, of course, the Roseway couldn't, because that's when it does day sails and local events to help cover other costs. This isn't a case of a private organization looking for handouts from the government, but another example of government myopia and a profound failure to understand what an ambassador for the VI -- and STX in particular -- that program is. Or was.

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Posted : April 17, 2012 11:39 am
OldTart
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Iris, it sounds as though you think ExitZero deserves to be argued with. Far from it, he and you are on the same page but maybe you've skimmed over a few of the previous posts. *-)

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Posted : April 17, 2012 12:59 pm
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