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Gator's Mom
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Actually tourists go on cruises to eat and drink. Enough said but we know the "end" result.

If it weren't for an attorney on the east end STX with a high sense of environmental and civic responsibility, we'd have a misfortunate tourist resort on an important ecological and cultural property - we've blocked the container resort and the glamping resort to name a couple recent proposals.

The VI government gave approval for both to begin with.

singlefin, that post was pretty darned funny

My fave:
Tourists only go on cruises to empty their bowels and dump trash on tropical islands.
- Tourists should only step on a dock, hand us money, and then immediately leave.

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Posted : September 10, 2018 9:09 pm
ms411
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Who is the "we" who blocked container resort and glamping resort and why did they block it? Didn't see them on senate calendar.

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Posted : September 10, 2018 9:57 pm
janeinstx
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Love the use of “Blast Range”

Sounds like someone’s been watching too much CNN again.

(tu) People that have no idea of how things really work...

(tu)

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Posted : September 10, 2018 10:23 pm
Gator's Mom
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East End A neighborhoods rallied. Both developers' plans were proposed for the same tract of land. The first plan was a container resort, the second was a glamping resort. Both had a large restaurant/bar in their proposals.

Proposed septic system was not adequate for either projects' footprint and too near the ocean and a salt pond - on a spit of land right across from Buck Island. Also the land is a culturally and archeologically sensitive location where Taino artifacts have been found.

Both plans had been approved by DPNR. We learned of them through notices we received from developers that a new resort would be constructed near our properties. Attorney represented us and filed complaints with DPNR on behalf of residents citing environmental and cultural impacts. Did not get to senate. So far.

There were some really interesting people involved both on island and off.

Who is the "we" who blocked container resort and glamping resort and why did they block it? Didn't see them on senate calendar.

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Posted : September 10, 2018 10:26 pm
ms411
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Thanks. When was this?

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Posted : September 11, 2018 1:15 am
Gator's Mom
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2014 and 2016

Thanks. When was this?

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Posted : September 11, 2018 11:05 am
Ca. Dreamers
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Love the use of “Blast Range”

Sounds like someone’s been watching too much CNN again.

(tu) People that have no idea of how things really work...

(tu)

(tu)

CD

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Posted : September 11, 2018 11:31 am
islandjoan
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That wasn't nice...geez....

The same gloom and doom posters consistently find nothing but negatives about almost every subject. They should just crawl back in their holes and go away.

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Posted : September 11, 2018 1:59 pm
stxdreaming
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Actually tourists go on cruises to eat and drink. Enough said but we know the "end" result.

If it weren't for an attorney on the east end STX with a high sense of environmental and civic responsibility, we'd have a misfortunate tourist resort on an important ecological and cultural property - we've blocked the container resort and the glamping resort to name a couple recent proposals.

The VI government gave approval for both to begin with.

singlefin, that post was pretty darned funny

My fave:
Tourists only go on cruises to empty their bowels and dump trash on tropical islands.
- Tourists should only step on a dock, hand us money, and then immediately leave.

@Gator's Mom - I am a bit confused at this. While I understand and agree that we need to be more aware of how we are living and the impacts that our daily lives have on the environment, it seems that you appear to have a bit of an extremist view...

For example;

The computer you are using to contribute to this forum...was probably made of plastic and metal by someone in Taiwan on minimum wage??

The cell phone you use to live your daily life is also made of plastic and metals...

The clothes you have on are probably not made of recycled bio grade material and was produced by someone in China making $2 a week....

The house you live in; are you 100% off grid? Did you build your house in such a way that you are recycling the water that you use?

It is very easy to have a high moral view, but I think we need to look at ourselves first before we pass judgement.

Could be wrong, just my thoughts.

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Posted : September 12, 2018 6:39 pm
Gator's Mom
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I am only, in my highly cynical way, pointing out to critics of the STX refinery that the number of cruise ships and tourists (and the debris they leave behind) in the volume experienced on STT/STJ is as damaging to the local environment as the refinery and other industrial plants on STX. Just different environmental risks, impacts and horizons.

Actually my house has solar power, a cistern, solar hot water and a septic tank .... and was built many years ago so it has no current environmental impact that occurs with recent building. Come to think of it, I do drive an electric car, too. However, for me, being green is only effective if it saves me money and makes my life easier.

Bagging up a few plastic bottles and shipping them to FL is not a long-term solution - it just moves the problem into someone else's neighborhood. But I do like the optics so kudos to local volunteers.

I remain a devoted user of all things plastic (except straws) and I love my throw away clothes from Target.

Actually tourists go on cruises to eat and drink. Enough said but we know the "end" result.

If it weren't for an attorney on the east end STX with a high sense of environmental and civic responsibility, we'd have a misfortunate tourist resort on an important ecological and cultural property - we've blocked the container resort and the glamping resort to name a couple recent proposals.

The VI government gave approval for both to begin with.

singlefin, that post was pretty darned funny

My fave:
Tourists only go on cruises to empty their bowels and dump trash on tropical islands.
- Tourists should only step on a dock, hand us money, and then immediately leave.

@Gator's Mom - I am a bit confused at this. While I understand and agree that we need to be more aware of how we are living and the impacts that our daily lives have on the environment, it seems that you appear to have a bit of an extremist view...

For example;

The computer you are using to contribute to this forum...was probably made of plastic and metal by someone in Taiwan on minimum wage??

The cell phone you use to live your daily life is also made of plastic and metals...

The clothes you have on are probably not made of recycled bio grade material and was produced by someone in China making $2 a week....

The house you live in; are you 100% off grid? Did you build your house in such a way that you are recycling the water that you use?

It is very easy to have a high moral view, but I think we need to look at ourselves first before we pass judgement.

Could be wrong, just my thoughts.

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Posted : September 12, 2018 8:33 pm
stxdreaming
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I am only, in my highly cynical way, pointing out to critics of the STX refinery that the number of cruise ships and tourists (and the debris they leave behind) in the volume experienced on STT/STJ is as damaging to the local environment as the refinery and other industrial plants on STX. Just different environmental risks, impacts and horizons.

Actually my house has solar power, a cistern, solar hot water and a septic tank .... and was built many years ago so it has no current environmental impact that occurs with recent building. Come to think of it, I do drive an electric car, too. However, for me, being green is only effective if it saves me money and makes my life easier.

Bagging up a few plastic bottles and shipping them to FL is not a long-term solution - it just moves the problem into someone else's neighborhood. But I do like the optics so kudos to local volunteers.

I remain a devoted user of all things plastic (except straws) and I love my throw away clothes from Target.

Actually tourists go on cruises to eat and drink. Enough said but we know the "end" result.

If it weren't for an attorney on the east end STX with a high sense of environmental and civic responsibility, we'd have a misfortunate tourist resort on an important ecological and cultural property - we've blocked the container resort and the glamping resort to name a couple recent proposals.

The VI government gave approval for both to begin with.

singlefin, that post was pretty darned funny

My fave:
Tourists only go on cruises to empty their bowels and dump trash on tropical islands.
- Tourists should only step on a dock, hand us money, and then immediately leave.

@Gator's Mom - I am a bit confused at this. While I understand and agree that we need to be more aware of how we are living and the impacts that our daily lives have on the environment, it seems that you appear to have a bit of an extremist view...

For example;

The computer you are using to contribute to this forum...was probably made of plastic and metal by someone in Taiwan on minimum wage??

The cell phone you use to live your daily life is also made of plastic and metals...

The clothes you have on are probably not made of recycled bio grade material and was produced by someone in China making $2 a week....

The house you live in; are you 100% off grid? Did you build your house in such a way that you are recycling the water that you use?

It is very easy to have a high moral view, but I think we need to look at ourselves first before we pass judgement.

Could be wrong, just my thoughts.

So you are against two companies wanting to build resorts on STX due to environmental and cultural impacts, you do not want tourists coming to the VI due to the negative impact they bring, yet you only like to be "green" if it "saves you money and makes your life easier"? Would this be a fair summary?

Regarding the statement that your house was built many years ago; are you suggesting that at the time your home was built, it didn't have any environmental impact?

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Posted : September 12, 2018 10:57 pm
daveb722
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Omg go away... Dream of some other paradise please, meeting you would be nauseating.

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Posted : September 12, 2018 11:15 pm
stxdreaming
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Omg go away... Dream of some other paradise please, meeting you would be nauseating.

lol, I assume you are the lawyer representing Gator's Mom fighting against proposed resorts.

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Posted : September 12, 2018 11:39 pm
AandA2VI
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So just to get things straight, according to our usual discontented posters:

- We’re all just animals, several billion of which need to be removed immediately, and those who are left should choose to never reproduce. Human beings really don’t belong anywhere in this ecosystem.
- We need to stop all construction and live under shade trees.
- People are the cause of global warming, it never took place before humans walked on the planet.
- There are mysterious black beaches somewhere on STX, only visible to those who want to see them.
-“Island pride” does not exist anywhere in the USVI.
- The local government does not govern.
- Reality is “sad”
- People who don’t agree with the points of view of certain individuals posting here are either delusional optimists or deniers. (I guess im included in that group)
-There is no freedom, safety, confidence, or support in the USVI.
- Stop eating meat, but it’s ok to spearfish and pull lobster from our protected reefs.
- We all need to be altruistic. Working to better ones own life is folly.
- Don’t drink ground water, especially with a straw.
- We all need to be “squeaky wheels” for the environment to get the greese, but not the kind of greese made from any petroleum products that are made in a dirty refinery.
- Get out and vote, but only for who we tell you too.
- Cruzan’s have absolutely no environmental concerns whatsoever.
- Nobody thinks STT is better than STX.
- Tourists only go on cruises to empty their bowels and dump trash on tropical islands.
- Tourists should only step on a dock, hand us money, and then immediately leave.

And my favorite,
- The best place to live in the USVI is the east end of STX (which I’ll admit I am partial to) but only because attorneys live there (which I do not agree with). But living anywhere near the island of STX is completely foolhardy because the entire island is inside an imaginary “blast range”

I don’t think these are the things this “vimovingcenter” site was designed for.

I do believe you forgot...
- Only the all wise and all knowing single fin is allowed to have an opinion and THAT is the only opinion that is correct on VIMC. Newbs should learn this. Totally relevant.

Inciting argument and then shaming those who rise to the occasion? Are you insane? Maybe it’s time to put down the keyboard for a while. Some of this shit is taken so far out of context it’s laughable.

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Posted : September 13, 2018 4:45 am
Alana33
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😉

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Topic starter Posted : September 13, 2018 4:16 pm
singlefin
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AansA2VI
It took me awhile to review this entire thread and compile that list. I was hoping it would enlighten you, and some others, of how over-the-top some of the statements were.

I am neither “all wise” or “all knowing” but “inciting arguments” is surely your specialty. I will agree with you however, much of it is “laughable.”

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Posted : September 15, 2018 10:46 am
SkysTheLimit
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AansA2VI
It took me awhile to review this entire thread and compile that list. I was hoping it would enlighten you, and some others, of how over-the-top some of the statements were.

I am neither “all wise” or “all knowing” but “inciting arguments” is surely your specialty. I will agree with you however, much of it is “laughable.”

I for one took no offense and thought it was a hilarious observation of how off topic a thread can get!!!!!!

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Posted : September 15, 2018 3:43 pm
dougtamjj
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(tu)

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Posted : September 15, 2018 6:43 pm
speee1dy
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Singlefin, your compilation was great.

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Posted : September 15, 2018 8:34 pm
Alana33
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https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/americas_dangerous_pipelines/

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Topic starter Posted : September 16, 2018 1:52 pm
Alana33
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No comments?

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