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LiquidFluoride
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Isn't this federally illegal already?

are we trying to pass MORE laws that won't be enforced?

Why not go protest the chicken fights, see if you can get the community to back you; that might effect real change. Passing laws when the laws we have already are not enforced seems like a waste of time.

So the senator will only sponsor introduction of a bill if a certain number of residents sign a petition. Too bad the good senator doesn't have enough personal conviction to make a move.

It's all BS. It's fake and a lie.

Government theater! they are here to help you, they swear!

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Posted : January 6, 2016 12:09 pm
ms411
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Not threatening. Stating my position.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 12:30 pm
speee1dy
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all this drama over cock fighting . either sign it or dont

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Posted : January 6, 2016 12:33 pm
ms411
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Lol! Almost every issue creates drama on this forum. If you don't want drama, don't post.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 12:36 pm
Alana33
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LF - It's not federally mandated to my knowledge but state by state.
I believe all US states but one has made cockfighting and possessing
cockfighting paraphernalia illegal.

It's quite interesting to view all the obstructionism here with few exceptions. Especially from those who care about animals.

Sign or don't sign as you prefer.
I'm done wasting my breath.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/842/739/722/stop-fighting-in-the-u.s-virgin-iands-now/?taf_id=18726555&cid=fb_na

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Topic starter Posted : January 6, 2016 12:39 pm
ms411
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It is a federal law since 2014 as part of a farm act. The VI again thinks they can ignore federal law, and they can if nobody enforces.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 12:44 pm
OldTart
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It's quite interesting to view all the obstructionism here with few exceptions. Especially from those who care about animals.

There has been next to no "obstructionism" where the subject is concerned, only questioning why a senator apparently chooses to sponsor (yet another) bill only if a certain number of people sign a petition.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 1:06 pm
speee1dy
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ms411 lol true

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Posted : January 6, 2016 1:06 pm
Alana33
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I did NOT ever say that the senator will sponsor it "only if enough signatures were collected."

I said the more signatures the better.

And ....yes you're right, ms411.
I'd forgotten about the farm bill.

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Topic starter Posted : January 6, 2016 1:15 pm
OldTart
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I did NOT ever say that the senator will sponsor it "only if enough signatures were collected."

I said the more signatures the better.

Re-read your response to the specific question.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 1:22 pm
wanderer
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I'm all for cock fighting if it reduces the feral chicken problem on STX. Maybe we should be supporting cock fighting instead of trying to ban it. Besides...isn't it a cultural thing?

There is also the feral dogs problem on STX. Do you think we should support dog fighting as well?

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Posted : January 6, 2016 2:31 pm
geekgrl1337@gmail.com
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Wow, some people have way too much time on their hands. This is a positive thing, why stir the pot and make a big issue out of it. All change takes time and the first thing that has to change are people's attitudes. Look at how long it took to change the law on gay marriage... and how did it start? With petitions!!! Jeez people, who cares who the senator is. Thank goodness someone's finally standing up for the animals who are tortured. Thank you Alana33 for standing up to people who want nothing more than to argue and rant, but I think it wont do any good. Angry people will be angry. (And I'm sure they'll be angry at me now)

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Posted : January 6, 2016 2:57 pm
ms411
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The attitude on equal marriage rights hasn't changed here. The law changed and is now enforced I guess because I haven't heard otherwise. The law changed in the States for animals, but that law isn't enforced here.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 3:19 pm
Spartygrad95
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No one is angry. If a senator is willing to sponsor a bill, which I have seen no confirmation of, have the spine to stand up for what is right not on some populist platform. When this doesn't get enough signatures, watch this unnamed senator forget all about this so as to not upset his/her constituents. Remember, their most important job is getting re-elected.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 3:20 pm
OldTart
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No one is angry. If a senator is willing to sponsor a bill, which I have seen no confirmation of, have the spine to stand up for what is right not on some populist platform. When this doesn't get enough signatures, watch this unnamed senator forget all about this so as to not upset his/her constituents. Remember, their most important job is getting re-elected.

Exactly. Nobody's arguing or ranting - we've been there done that before many times with this proposal and nobody is refusing to sign a petition to bring it up again, simply curious about the senator allegedly involved.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 3:25 pm
Cat
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Uhh, the "show me you have popular support and I'll back a bill" is kind of common pretty much everywhere, isn't it? Well, that and "show me the money."

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Posted : January 6, 2016 3:43 pm
LiquidFluoride
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It is a federal law since 2014 as part of a farm act. The VI again thinks they can ignore federal law, and they can if nobody enforces.

Yup, this is what I was referring too.

That same act made it federally illegal to slaughter horses for meat or sell horses for meat processing

😉

since this is already illegal, just get some video of the cock-coliseum (or what ever its called) and send it to the proper authorities, or get all public with it....

passing a law here will do less than nothing (since it takes attention away from areas/items that might actually be productive)

Remember, their most important job is getting re-elected.

I thought that was their only job?

I think a lot of laws should atrophy... if it hasn't been enforced in 2 years, its off the books.

It’s against the law for a woman to drive a car in Main Street unless her husband is walking in front of the car waving a red flag (Waynesboro, Virginia)

Do we really need a "law" like that?

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Posted : January 6, 2016 3:45 pm
Spartygrad95
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Uhh, the "show me you have popular support and I'll back a bill" is kind of common pretty much everywhere, isn't it? Well, that and "show me the money."

This isn't backing a bill, it's introducing one. Now, the cynic in me says, this senator is just weighing public feelings on this before taking a stand.. Again, populist government is bad government.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 3:46 pm
Alana33
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Dog fighting is illegal in the VI.
Thanks, again geekgirl1337 for the support.

Please sign and share.
Or not as the case may be.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/842/739/722/stop-fighting-in-the-u.s-virgin-iands-now/?taf_id=18726555&cid=fb_na

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Topic starter Posted : January 6, 2016 3:49 pm
Spartygrad95
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It is a federal law since 2014 as part of a farm act. The VI again thinks they can ignore federal law, and they can if nobody enforces.

Yup, this is what I was referring too.

That same act made it federally illegal to slaughter horses for meat or sell horses for meat processing

😉

since this is already illegal, just get some video of the cock-coliseum (or what ever its called) and send it to the proper authorities, or get all public with it....

passing a law here will do less than nothing (since it takes attention away from areas/items that might actually be productive)

Remember, their most important job is getting re-elected.

I thought that was their only job?

I think a lot of laws should atrophy... if it hasn't been enforced in 2 years, its off the books.

It’s against the law for a woman to drive a car in Main Street unless her husband is walking in front of the car waving a red flag (Waynesboro, Virginia)

Do we really need a "law" like that?

Well cynically yes, that is their only job. Well, that and bowing to demands of corporate lobbies. Enforce laws on books. Exactly. Just like Obama's executive orders on guns says yesterday. No one will enforce a cock fighting ban, I have seen advertisements for them on popular Facebook pages here.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 3:50 pm
Spartygrad95
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Dog fighting is illegal in the VI.
Thanks, again geekgirl1337 for the support.

Please sign and share.
Or not as the case may be.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/842/739/722/stop-fighting-in-the-u.s-virgin-iands-now/?taf_id=18726555&cid=fb_na
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I've been here less than 2 years and can name at least a dozen people I've met who raise dogs here for fighting. Another law unenforced

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Posted : January 6, 2016 3:51 pm
Alana33
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One has to start somewhere.
If there's NO law, then there's NO hope of enforcement, ever.

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Topic starter Posted : January 6, 2016 3:55 pm
jasona
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I've been here less than 2 years and can name at least a dozen people I've met who raise dogs here for fighting. Another law unenforced

You can report it HERE.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 3:59 pm
LiquidFluoride
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One has to start somewhere.
If there's NO law, then there's NO hope of enforcement, ever.

but... there IS a law....

Well cynically yes, that is their only job. Well, that and bowing to demands of corporate lobbies. Enforce laws on books. Exactly. Just like Obama's executive orders on guns says yesterday. No one will enforce a cock fighting ban, I have seen advertisements for them on popular Facebook pages here.

executive order.... ewwwwwww

how those are still allowed is baffling.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 4:18 pm
wanderer
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but... there IS a law....

There is a federal law (the 2014 Farm Bill) which outlaws attendance of animal fights. However, the Virgin Islands code still deems it as commercial/entertainment activity, in the same category as theater and movies.

§ 47. Tax on performances and entertainments
(a) A tax at the rate of five percent on gross receipts shall be levied on all performances, or entertainments, not including dances, but including cock-fights, horse races, theatrical performances, motion picture shows, boxing matches, circuses and concerts where admission is charged or where admission is available to contributors, or where or for which contributions are solicited.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 4:32 pm
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