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Spartygrad95
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I've been here less than 2 years and can name at least a dozen people I've met who raise dogs here for fighting. Another law unenforced

You can report it HERE.

Snitches get stitches.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 4:35 pm
jasona
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Snitches get stitches.

Are you even remotely serious?

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Posted : January 6, 2016 4:44 pm
Spartygrad95
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Snitches get stitches.

Are you even remotely serious?

First your link didn't work.
Second I try not to get involved with anyone else's business. I have a family to think about.

*Edit* I see how to navigate that site now. Don't want to install an app for mobile tips. I got a tip once that was very valuable. MYOB. I still live by it.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 4:47 pm
jasona
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First your link didn't work.

*Edit* I see how to navigate that site now. Don't want to install an app for mobile tips.

CrimeStoppers needs to fix their website for mobile. If you direct link it will dump you back out to their main page (sorry about that).

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Posted : January 6, 2016 5:02 pm
ms411
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Even if it's entertainment, there are separate licenses depending on type of entertainment. Supposedly there are 4 LICENSED cockfight businesses in U.S.V.I. There are probably videos already on YouTube so no need to attend to get a video.

"Wayne Biggs Jr.

Biggs said that the DLCA currently has four licenses out to venues, two on St. Thomas and two on St. Croix, to operate cockfighting events." From a 2014 Daily News article.

but... there IS a law....

There is a federal law (the 2014 Farm Bill) which outlaws attendance of animal fights. However, the Virgin Islands code still deems it as commercial/entertainment activity, in the same category as theater and movies.

§ 47. Tax on performances and entertainments
(a) A tax at the rate of five percent on gross receipts shall be levied on all performances, or entertainments, not including dances, but including cock-fights, horse races, theatrical performances, motion picture shows, boxing matches, circuses and concerts where admission is charged or where admission is available to contributors, or where or for which contributions are solicited.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 5:10 pm
wanderer
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Snitches get stitches.
I try not to get involved with anyone else's business. I have a family to think about.

Does that mean that if you witness a murder, you'd be unwilling to report the murderer to the police?

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Posted : January 6, 2016 6:28 pm
Spartygrad95
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There is a big difference between reporting people who breed dogs for fighting and reporting a murder.. Are you going to report my murder for snitching on the dog breeders?

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Posted : January 6, 2016 6:36 pm
wanderer
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There is a big difference between reporting people who breed dogs for fighting and reporting a murder.. Are you going to report my murder for snitching on the dog breeders?

I would not report the dog breeders either. But "snitches get stitches" is the criminal code of conduct, so I'd certainly not endorse it.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 6:43 pm
Spartygrad95
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There is a big difference between reporting people who breed dogs for fighting and reporting a murder.. Are you going to report my murder for snitching on the dog breeders?

I would not report the dog breeders either. But "snitches get stitches" is the criminal code of conduct, so I'd certainly not endorse it.

A code of conduct and also the truth. I just mind my own business. Sanbiki no saru

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Posted : January 6, 2016 7:15 pm
wanderer
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I just mind my own business. Sanbiki no saru

I believe you are totally misinterpreting the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" principle. What it means is this: "Look not at what is contrary to propriety; listen not to what is contrary to propriety; speak not what is contrary to propriety; make no movement which is contrary to propriety". Or, in more familiar Judeo-Christian terms, "do not look at your neighbor's wife in lust", "do not listen to false prophets", "do not swear", and "do not kill".

In harsher terms, it means, "if evil seduces you through your eyes, pluck your eyes out", "if evil seduces you through your ears, cut your ears", "if evil seduces you through your speak, cut your tongue". That is, it's better to enter the kingdom of God blind and deaf, than the kingdom of Devil with your body parts intact.

It certainly does not mean, "ignore evil" or "mind your own business".

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Posted : January 6, 2016 7:58 pm
Alana33
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If you're not part of the solution, you're then part of the problem.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/842/739/722/stop-fighting-in-the-u.s-virgin-iands-now/?taf_id=18726555&cid=fb_na

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Topic starter Posted : January 6, 2016 8:31 pm
wanderer
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If you're not part of the solution, you're then part of the problem.

The credit for originating this expression goes to Leroy Eldridge Cleaver, a convicted serial rapist, who was also convicted for assault, attempted murder, and burglary.

I support your cause, but you've framed it in a way which does not help the cause. As others noted, it's repulsive to endorse the unnamed sleazy senator who hides behind the polls of public opinion. At least Alicia Hansen was brave (and stupid) enough to declare that cockfighting is a cultural value in Virgin Islands, and that it should remain legal for entertainment of the masses.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 8:45 pm
Spartygrad95
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I just mind my own business. Sanbiki no saru

I believe you are totally misinterpreting the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" principle. What it means is this: "Look not at what is contrary to propriety; listen not to what is contrary to propriety; speak not what is contrary to propriety; make no movement which is contrary to propriety". Or, in more familiar Judeo-Christian terms, "do not look at your neighbor's wife in lust", "do not listen to false prophets", "do not swear", and "do not kill".

In harsher terms, it means, "if evil seduces you through your eyes, pluck your eyes out", "if evil seduces you through your ears, cut your ears", "if evil seduces you through your speak, cut your tongue". That is, it's better to enter the kingdom of God blind and deaf, than the kingdom of Devil with your body parts intact.

It certainly does not mean, "ignore evil" or "mind your own business".

In its original Eastern meaning perhaps.. Certainly not in the modern West..

Via Wikipedia
In the Western world both the proverb and the image are often used to refer to a lack of moral responsibility on the part of people who refuse to acknowledge impropriety, looking the other way or feigning ignorance

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Posted : January 6, 2016 8:51 pm
wanderer
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In the Western world both the proverb and the image are often used to refer to a lack of moral responsibility on the part of people who refuse to acknowledge impropriety, looking the other way or feigning ignorance

But even if you accept this Western interpretation (which is a perversion of the original meaning), it makes it clear that there is nothing noble about turning the blind eye to evil.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 9:02 pm
monogram
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How many signatures did the senators gather when then they decided they were going to split $1.5 million to use as campaign slush funds... Err I mean to give to charities?

15 signatures plus the governor's. How do you spell "re-election?"

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Posted : January 6, 2016 9:21 pm
monogram
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I'm all for cock fighting if it reduces the feral chicken problem on STX. Maybe we should be supporting cock fighting instead of trying to ban it. Besides...isn't it a cultural thing?

There is also the feral dogs problem on STX. Do you think we should support dog fighting as well?

Logician

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Posted : January 6, 2016 9:21 pm
monogram
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I just mind my own business. Sanbiki no saru

I believe you are totally misinterpreting the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" principle. What it means is this: "Look not at what is contrary to propriety; listen not to what is contrary to propriety; speak not what is contrary to propriety; make no movement which is contrary to propriety". Or, in more familiar Judeo-Christian terms, "do not look at your neighbor's wife in lust", "do not listen to false prophets", "do not swear", and "do not kill".

In harsher terms, it means, "if evil seduces you through your eyes, pluck your eyes out", "if evil seduces you through your ears, cut your ears", "if evil seduces you through your speak, cut your tongue". That is, it's better to enter the kingdom of God blind and deaf, than the kingdom of Devil with your body parts intact.

It certainly does not mean, "ignore evil" or "mind your own business".

Wanderer with the wisdom.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 9:24 pm
wanderer
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So, have you decided yet to run for the VI senate seat, mono?

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Posted : January 6, 2016 9:32 pm
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stxisbest
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www.whocares/petaforum.com

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Posted : January 6, 2016 10:13 pm
swans
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http://www.thepetitionsite.com/842/739/722/stop-fighting-in-the-u.s-virgin-iands-now/?taf_id=18726555&cid=fb_na
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Thank you, Alana 🙂

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Posted : January 6, 2016 10:19 pm
sheiba
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Thank you Alana!!!!!

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Posted : January 6, 2016 10:34 pm
OldTart
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The credit for originating this expression goes to Leroy Eldridge Cleaver, a convicted serial rapist, who was also convicted for assault, attempted murder, and burglary.

What a denigrating belittling synopsis of a man who despite his tawdry upbringing and felonies became a respected civil activist as well as being the highly acclaimed author of, "Soul On Ice". You can read the facts here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldridge_Cleaver

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Posted : January 6, 2016 10:55 pm
jumbie75
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Signed

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Posted : January 6, 2016 11:34 pm
STTsailor
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This ban could seriously cut into Latino entertainment options.

My problem here is that what are the alternatives to controlling stray poultry population on islands if we save and free up all the roosters? Rooster adoptions are out of the question.

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Posted : January 6, 2016 11:46 pm
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