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Lizard
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This is the way they get you. First they ask about the Laws in VI regarding marijuana. Then they slowly introduce their proof on the great conspiracy to destroy their constitutional rights to be happy. Then they tell you it's OK to use it. HMMMMM I'll have to get back to you after the game.

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Posted : November 9, 2008 8:05 pm
sundevil
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I did not start this debate I asked a simple enforcement question others led it in to a debate. I was more than happy to contribute to it because it is something that I have an opinion on. I didn't even enter into it until Betty told me not to come to the VI. If this thread bothers you don't contribute to it, don't read it, ask for it to be removed whatever you chose. I believe that debate is a good thing and if I'm a troll for participating in an open debate than I guess I'm a troll.

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Topic starter Posted : November 9, 2008 8:22 pm
Lizard
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OK I'M Back,
Here is a simple answer to your simple question. Marijuana is illegal in the VI. Get caught you have problems. As a resident Betty has and opinion (Don't come) other residents have the same opinion, I support Betty 100% on this. Much to expensive to feed you and house you after your arrest here.

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Posted : November 9, 2008 11:06 pm
Bombi
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Debate? I assumed there would be a much more liberal attitude @ marijuana in the VI. wrong again.

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Posted : November 10, 2008 3:26 pm
sundevil
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Debate? I assumed there would be a much more liberal attitude @ marijuana in the VI. wrong again.

I did as well. Thats why I was surprised by the severity of the laws there and the backlash from the people on this forum on the subject.

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Topic starter Posted : November 10, 2008 5:06 pm
Bombi
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I worked as an advocate to get the MJ laws changed in Maine. It took 5 years with the help of NORML. There has been no increases in drug related crime or increase in use by youths. However if a youth was to be caught it would be a misdemeanor and not go on a permanent record. Large quantities and dealing are still a crime.
I pray that all of you anti MJ people never suffer an illness or have pain or neurological symptoms that could be helped by MJ like glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, wasting disease, or cancer and its related treatments and others
It's the 21st century. All that reefer madness BS has proven to be just that. There's a lot of info about Med MJ that apparently a lot of people are unaware. It's use has (to treat symptoms) has been endorsed by The New England Journal of Medicine, The National Multiple Sclerosis Society and the National Cancer Society.
MJ is a naturally occurring herb that has been used throughout history and was never thought to be addictive. It's sinister image is a result of the Reefer Madness campaign propagated by the tobacco companies in the 1930's-40's.
Some research and compassion may change your opinion.

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Posted : November 10, 2008 6:44 pm
stiphy
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If I'm on your jury you will not go to jail, I can assure you of that!

I would never ever convict anyone of a non-violent drug offense. Jury nullification is a big part of how we won our right to free speech (before there was a US) and I could never in good moral conscious use violence against someone who was not violent. Putting someone in jail is an extremely violent act...how can we as a society condone this? I just don't get how many people here think its ok to use violence against non-violent people who choose to put something in THEIR body. That is amazing to me...legal, illegal, it doesn't matter...at one time it was legal to own slaves so I'm not sure what laws mean when they have no moral justification. Violence is violence and there is only 1 time that I think its morally right to tolerate it, which is to prevent other violence. That is NOT the case when you go after a drug user who has bothered no one.

Betty et. al, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE explain how you can condone violence against non-violent people simply because "its the law." Would you be pro-slavery if that was still the law? I am not looking to troll etc. I have read many posts by people here that leads me to believe they are good people, but somehow they are still able to morally condone violence against non-violent individuals. This baffles me and I'd really like to hear a good explanation for this.

Sean

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Posted : November 10, 2008 7:50 pm
SistaIrijah
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I worked as an advocate to get the MJ laws changed in Maine. It took 5 years with the help of NORML. There has been no increases in drug related crime or increase in use by youths. However if a youth was to be caught it would be a misdemeanor and not go on a permanent record. Large quantities and dealing are still a crime.
I pray that all of you anti MJ people never suffer an illness or have pain or neurological symptoms that could be helped by MJ like glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, wasting disease, or cancer and its related treatments and others
It's the 21st century. All that reefer madness BS has proven to be just that. There's a lot of info about Med MJ that apparently a lot of people are unaware. It's use has (to treat symptoms) has been endorsed by The New England Journal of Medicine, The National Multiple Sclerosis Society and the National Cancer Society.
MJ is a naturally occurring herb that has been used throughout history and was never thought to be addictive. It's sinister image is a result of the Reefer Madness campaign propagated by the tobacco companies in the 1930's-40's.
Some research and compassion may change your opinion.

greetings and good afternoon

bombi you are right on the money.
my dawta has MS and she smokes every day that she can because she is in pain.
the laws here in NC have been changed just a bit.
as long as one has a 1 1/2 ounce or less it is treated as a misdemeanor.
1/2 oz or less could carry a 30 day sentence with a $ 200 fine...mandatory suspension of sentence.
1 1/2 oz or less can carry a 120 day sentence with community service and/or probation probable with a $ 500 fine.

it is an herb that grows out of the ground.
it is picked and dried, used as is or as a medicinal aid.
there is no processing involved.
it is not, in my opinion, an entry level drug.
anyone who uses other drugs after smoking marijuana simply has a weak constitution aforehand, and the wish to experiment.
do not blame it on the herb.

most of you sound as if you are up on a throne somewhere as if you are all peter or polly perfect.
as a side note, most of you sound like you have a privileged mindset, always talking about how badly gated communities are needed and they should tear down the projects and the locals are causing trouble and having bunches of babies, and they are selling drugs at the store.
first and foremost it is NOT YOUR ISLAND...no matter how many years many of you live there...many of you will always be outsiders, because of the attitude you have. it reeks from most of your posts...i could do a search and quote vibe to show you how many of you sound. it is as if you want the descendants of slavery and their offspring to leave the island, so you can take it over.
it is no wonder that ones give the eye roll and kiss their teeth when they serve many of you.

please note that i said MANY of you, not ALL of you.

and yes it is unfortunate that the young man who was the judges assistant was murdered, and it is unfortunate that ones sometimes get robbed. it happens all over the world and is a sad sad thing.
but crime does not just happen in the VI....it happens everywhere.
it is unfair to always talk sheet about the people that have been there since MANY of your ancestors dragged them there in chains. MANY of you seem to still feel as if you should still be reaping the benefits of those times, especially with all the racial undertones i see on here.
what right have any of you that live there now, to tell someone not to come to the VI.....as if you do not want any new faces on the island. why don't some of YOU leave the island and let ones who have lived there for generations catch a chance to get a job? what right do YOU have to be there?
i could go on, but i will not.
if you treat newcomers differently because they do not "fit" the criteria of what YOU want to see there, it is no wonder that many of you get the kiss teeth vibe....seen?
and truly i do not care if you have me banned from here, because you treat me as if i do not exist as well since i came forward letting you know i was ras. before that it was all oh glad to have you here blah blah blah........
i was so excited to chat with ones that lived on stx, truly excited....but that quickly passed after i saw the blatant prejudice and privilege that appears on this board from time to time.

remember, most of you are the minority there on the islands, and in reality, you are the intruders.

guidance

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Posted : November 10, 2008 8:10 pm
EngRMP
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Refer Madness! Wasn't that a great movie!? I can't think of a better example of propaganda gone bad. It's amazing to think that people probably believed that movie for quite a while.

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Posted : November 10, 2008 8:24 pm
dntw8up
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"...it is no wonder that ones give the eye roll and kiss their teeth when they serve many of you....it is no wonder that many of you get the kiss teeth vibe..."

You are a white female in her fifties who has not lived in the VI for decades, so you are unqualified to make these judgments.

"...you treat me as if i do not exist as well since i came forward letting you know i was ras. before that it was all oh glad to have you here blah blah blah........"

I'm sorry the participants on this forum have not met your expectations, but there are many reasons why some forum participants do not respond well to other forum participants, so I would not leap to the conclusion that your being ras has anything to do with it.

"...remember, most of you are the minority there on the islands, and in reality, you are the intruders."

Using your logic, minorities in the states are intruders, and I am certain that the majority of Americans, who recently elected a biracial President, do not share that perspective.

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Posted : November 10, 2008 8:34 pm
Betty
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" pray that all of you anti MJ people never suffer an illness or have pain or neurological symptoms that could be helped by MJ like glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, wasting disease, or cancer and its related treatments and others"

This is the dumbest thing I have heard yet. If you're sick the doctor will prescribe the drugs you need. MJ is a drug!! It should be prescribed by a doctor and not just when you feel like getting wasted. Doctors still do not know everything it does, that is why it is not available in every state. Poppies make opium and those are also PRESCRIBED. They also come from the ground. Arguing with a stoner is a very easy battle.

Look I know many people on island that do drugs. Some function fine and only do it once in a while. Others are addicted and shoot their lives down the crapper. To say MJ is not addictive is bullsh*t. I knew too many people whose lives went down the drain because hey its just MJ whats the big deal? Why do you need a drug to be happy?

Everyone knows the propaganda from the 40s was stupid but what it does is make you stupid, it makes you paranoid, lazy, etc...People get addicted and waste their lives. Its a gateway drugs for many addicts as well. ON and on thats why it has to be controled.

But if you do need it to be happy, work to make it legal. Its against the law. You guys are in the wrong. I don't feel sorry for anyone that goes to jail for buy or selling drugs. They are breaking the law. If you want to be in the right get off the couch, put down the bong and do something.

AND as for this racist comment...

"first and foremost it is NOT YOUR ISLAND...no matter how many years many of you live there...many of you will always be outsiders, because of the attitude you have. it reeks from most of your posts...i could do a search and quote vibe to show you how many of you sound. it is as if you want the descendants of slavery and their offspring to leave the island, so you can take it over. Remember most of you are the minority on the islands, and in reality you are the intruders"
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Their are no natives Indians left on the island, the descendants of slaves have no right to this island either. The Indians were here first. There are none left that can clearly trace their heritage back. Why in the world would I care what you think my tone is, you are obviously racist. You hate all of now because people don't like pot? You've got to stop smoking it's killed too many of your brain cells.

The only thing I'm prejudice against is people that break the law and expect me to feel sorry for them. Give me a break.

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Posted : November 10, 2008 8:40 pm
SistaIrijah
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dntw8up

and you are a supercilious piece of work who obviously has a problem with me for no reason.
you are one of the reasons that i said some of the things i did.
obviously i am aware that i am a white female in her 50's...obviously.
i do not know who you think you are but i have just as much right to give my opinion as the next person.
and i am just as qualified to make a judgment as the next person.
you are no better than me and i am no better than you.
not much has changed since i have lived there...i am in contact with ones on stx as frequently as we can link up.
so get off me
back off about ten feet.
as far as the US goes, the native americans truly own the land. europeans came here and took over too.
and do not use the president elect as a platform to support or ignore what you think i am saying.

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Posted : November 10, 2008 8:50 pm
Trade
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So the OP has cancer, glaucoma or MS?

as a side note, most of you sound like you have a privileged mindset, always talking about how badly gated communities are needed and they should tear down the projects and the locals are causing trouble and having bunches of babies, and they are selling drugs at the store.
first and foremost it is NOT YOUR ISLAND...no matter how many years many of you live there...many of you will always be outsiders, because of the attitude you have. it reeks from most of your posts...i could do a search and quote vibe to show you how many of you sound. it is as if you want the descendants of slavery and their offspring to leave the island, so you can take it over.
it is no wonder that ones give the eye roll and kiss their teeth when they serve many of you.

It's not yours either. I don't recall any posts stating that gated communities are needed & they should tear down the projects. I don't remember any of that being said but maybe I missed it & anyway, I don't feel that way. However, in a society that isn't anarchy you can't cafeteria choose the laws you want to obey & those you want to disregard. That's a real slippery slope.

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Posted : November 10, 2008 8:53 pm
Trade
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Funny, how the Rasta-style dialect comes & goes... 😉

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Posted : November 10, 2008 8:55 pm
SistaIrijah
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rasta style dialect as you say is referred to as Iyaric and is not meant to be spoken or typed on every post with every person. 😉

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Posted : November 10, 2008 9:04 pm
sundevil
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If anyone on here is a troll it is you Betty you intentionally try to get people riled up with your uneducated narrow view point. You can get your point across without telling people not to come, without calling people addicts and without judging people or their treatment for their condition.

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Topic starter Posted : November 10, 2008 9:08 pm
Trade
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And when ARE you moving down, sundevil & which island?

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Posted : November 10, 2008 9:32 pm
Bombi
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yow! all of a sudden I hear my mother saying, " if you can't say anything nice,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,".

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Posted : November 10, 2008 9:32 pm
sundevil
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I will be moving down in January or February depending on how quickly I can sell my house here. I will decide which island I am moving to when I come down there in December for my pre-move visit.

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Topic starter Posted : November 10, 2008 9:35 pm
dntw8up
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Hmmm. I have only responded to a couple of your posts, the last time offering information you requested for a class paper you were working on. You, on the other hand, have only been posting on this forum for a few weeks, and already perceive yourself to havealienated forum participants who originally welcomed you to the forum i.e. "...you treat me as if i do not exist as well since i came forward letting you know i was ras. before that it was all oh glad to have you here blah blah blah..." You think people's attitudes toward you have changed because you are ras, but most of us have ras friends, neighbors and coworkers, so that is unlikely to be the issue. If you think people on this forum have cooled toward you, perhaps you should revisit how you've presented yourself here.

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Posted : November 10, 2008 9:56 pm
Betty
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Sundevil, didn't you want to know about the gas and grass? Thats not where a person with a prescription goes or asks about, thats where an addict goes. Thats something a stoner would find funny and cool. If you can't move to a new place without having to find out what the penalties are for your drug use, I do think you are an addict and need help.

My viewpoint is narrow and uneducated because I disagree with you and I believe in the law?? We have proven we can't all just get along, we have laws in place for a reason. As far as judging people, lets call a cow a cow and a horse a horse. I don't believe in being politically correct, its bs. You don't believe the guy selling on the corner has a prescription script in his pocket for you do you? Come on. Like I said above if you need to find out about the penalties for pot before you come you are most likely a addict and not anyone I want coming to these beautiful islands and adding to the problems.

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Posted : November 10, 2008 10:27 pm
sundevil
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Once again have I ever said I use MJ? I can believe in a cause that doesn't affect me. I do believe that white people stood up for blacks in the civil rights movement. I had heard about the gas and grass and wondered if it was true. I thought that if it was that it would be a sign of a more liberal stance on MJ in the VI. And my whole point of legalizing it would be to take drug dealers off the street, to make it so children would be less likely to do it, to add quality control and regulation to it and to add a huge tax surplus from it. Prohibition never works we have proven it with alcohol in the 20's and we are proving it now with the war on drugs. All it does is push it in to the control of criminals who will sell to anyone, sell product with no quality control, and commit other crimes. MJ is proven to be far less addictive than Alcohol, tobacco, narcotic pain meds, sleeping pills and a whole host of other legal substances. And for you to say that it has no medical benefit is just stupid talk to someone who has a debilitating condition who has tried the perception drugs only to find that it harms them even more who then try's MJ and find that they are able to live somewhat of a normal life.

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Topic starter Posted : November 10, 2008 11:25 pm
aschultz
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I don't think a prescription will do much good on STX no where to turn it in for pot. It would cost more if there was. You can get it anywhere on STX. Just don't smoke in town or grow out in the open. I like rasta no problem man. A gangster robbing a restaurant is not my favorite guy but we might get along just fine to.

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Posted : November 10, 2008 11:49 pm
Betty
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Sundevil no one on this board doubts that you use. I have no doubt because your responses make little sense.

Once again if you want it legal work to make it so, wishing doesn't make it so. Prohibition didn't work and people worked to get rid of it. There is no 42% of people trying to get MJ legal stateside. There is no 42% using it. Not a big issue at all. Prohibition has no relation to MJ. People are little more concerned about the economy and the war. Right now MJ is illegal.

You know what would also keep the control of out of the hands of criminals?? If People didn't buy or sell or grow it. If there is no demand there is no supply. I can't see why anyone would risk prison time for something that isn't very addictive. If you want to see a really scary prision just wait til you see ours.

And I NEVER said it doesn't have any medical benefit. I said you should get it legally from a doctor. I was very clear about what I said, you have twisted my words or are you just baked?

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Posted : November 11, 2008 12:15 am
aschultz
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Sundevil you will not go to prison for smoking pot in the usvi. Jail if you are being a dumb ass. Will that help end this hate.

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