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Linda from Michigan
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Will someone contact me and let me know of groups that are doing something about the issues we have here in the VI? I know there must be some out there. I want to do my part. (and the part of those who don't feel compelled to do anything but complain or are complacent)

Also, I still firmly believe that there should be an umbrella group of sorts that brings all these efforts that must be taking place together cohesively so that we can effect overall change. It would be good for all the leaders of these individual efforts to come together to discuss the big picture and make a plan.

I am very accessible. PM me here. Email me @ lovingadler@gmail.com. Go to the www.usvinorml.org site and leave an email there or email usvinorml@gmail.com.

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Posted : July 19, 2009 3:31 pm
Linda from Michigan
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Update-
Just got off the phone with Police Commissioner Novelle Francis. He called in response to my email. He wanted to thank me for bringing this valuable resource of potential recruits to his attention. He is forwarding the email and MSPTA contact information to his Recruitment Office and asking that they make contact with this pool of laid off law enforcement officers.

I will be following up on this in 2 weeks time to make sure it isn't left to the wayside.

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Posted : July 23, 2009 8:39 pm
divinggirl
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Thank you Linda for the update and for the effort!

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Posted : July 23, 2009 8:47 pm
nforbes
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that's awesome, Linda!

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Posted : July 23, 2009 8:59 pm
terry
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(tu)(tu) Linda

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Posted : July 24, 2009 12:21 am
Bombi
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right on!

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Posted : July 24, 2009 12:45 am
bluebird
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>>>So, if the VIPD does not recognize and honor a Peace Officer Status between Federal and local law enforcement, then they get to put federal agents in court under civilian prosecution. If the feds are subject to local prosecution, then they go in local prison IF they are found guilty of wrong doing. This agent on STT may in fact be guilty of excessive force, which I personally doubt, but it should be up to a Federal Court to decide. If this agent is found guilty and goes to jail here with the very same people he put in jail, he's being given a death sentence by local court. If he were to be found guilty by a Federal Court, he would go to prison in another location.
//Why the hell wouldn't the ATF pull out? Why should they put any other agents in a position like the one is now. When is the last time you heard of ANY ATF, DEA, or FBI agent that was corrupt? They just have a higher standard of law enforcement ethics than most local enforcement agencies in ANY state or territory.
//VIPD seems to be acting on a vendetta. Let's get to the bottom of this, then we can solve the problem and get all the Federal support back on islands.

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Exactly, poodle. This is the issue in a nutshell (if we can rule out political climbers or power trippers, which I sincerely doubt).
And I must say this: Linda's idea is outstanding HOWEVER, would we want to have state troopers come here from the mainland only to face the same situation as the ATF agent? My point is that they would ALL be in situations with the SAME POTENTIAL *unless* they are *all* granted peace officer status. Nothing less should do. No one can predict what these troopers would encounter and what type of action they would have to take at some point. From what I've read, the ATF agent had *no backup*....he was alone...and not actually *responding* to a call but apparently walked into a situation near his residence. As you know, these agents are the elite in law enforcement, so it's highly likely he responded in the only way he could. Also, it seems the dept of justice is behind him and I'm certain they would not support someone they felt was a liability. Let the truth prevail. And please...let the troopers beware!!

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Posted : July 30, 2009 4:53 am
Linda from Michigan
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In talking with Commissioner Francis it was clear that these officers would be hired as VIPD and afforded the same status of all other VIPD officers.

I followed up with the Michigan State Police Trooper Assoc. and they have heard from the HR Director for the VIPD and have put them in contact with the laid off troopers directly.

Not tooting a horn, but gosh, all it took was 2 emails - one to each side of the coin. We all complain about the state of affairs nationally and locally. Maybe if we got off our duffs and quit compaining on msg boards and took that same effort to write a senator, congress delegate, president -about our ideas, and thoughts maybe, just maybe things would start to change.

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Posted : July 30, 2009 1:30 pm
Trade
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What do VIPD officers make? Start at about $30K probably. Not much to move a family down here.

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Posted : July 30, 2009 3:58 pm
Elmer
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In talking with Commissioner Francis it was clear that these officers would be hired as VIPD and afforded the same status of all other VIPD officers.

I followed up with the Michigan State Police Trooper Assoc. and they have heard from the HR Director for the VIPD and have put them in contact with the laid off troopers directly.

Not tooting a horn, but gosh, all it took was 2 emails - one to each side of the coin. We all complain about the state of affairs nationally and locally. Maybe if we got off our duffs and quit complaining on msg boards and took that same effort to write a senator, congress delegate, president -about our ideas, and thoughts maybe, just maybe things would start to change.

Linda,
Seems a bit premature. There is nothing to celebrate yet. A couple people who have never spoken with each other now have.
I did a job search this morning and found there are +5000 jobs in Canada, many in my relative field of work. None look better than what I have now. No cause for celebration. Please don't take my remarks personally, as they are not directed at you. I moved from Michigan to Texas many years ago. When I first arrived I was harassed endlessly about being a Yankee. I didn't understand it. As the years went by I began to better understand Texas culture. I now consider Texas home and most native Texans accept me as a "transplanted" Texan. I consider it an honor.
What I have discovered over the years is, Michiganders in particular, seem to have strong resistance to change, or acceptance of other cultures. Obviously not all Michiganders do, but enough of them that they made it difficult for those of us who were willing to blend in.
I can't help but think most of the Michigan State Troopers would arrive in the islands and be thought of as arrogant within a couple of weeks. They would likely return to Michigan, bitter about their experience in the USVI. Stories would be told about how "backwards" the people in the islands are, and how they tried to change them but they just wouldn't listen. They will have to understand that they would be going to assist the island police, not "make it like Michigan".
That is another topic in itself.

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Posted : July 30, 2009 8:28 pm
jerrydcs
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Do they have a three strikes law there?
if not maybe need to wright senators asking for one !

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Posted : July 30, 2009 9:05 pm
Linda from Michigan
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Elmer, I take no offense. And I agree that the transition will be a challenge - but it can be for most people if you aren't well informed about what to expect when moving here. Life IS VERY different here. I would hope that would be discussed - and that any perspective Troopers would take the time to check out a site like this one.

All I'm saying is that had I (or someone) not connected the two groups - neither would still know of the other. It just is a potential connection and a possible solution for both sides. I'm sure very few of the Troopers will even consider the move. I find that many Michiganders are reluctant to such a drastic change.

We all were just complaining about the state of affairs, so I took an action. It makes no sense to me to complain about something (5 pages of discussions) and not try to do something about it. If the only result of my emails was to cause Commissioner Francis to look and think outside the box - fantastic! And the same on the side of the MSPT's - if it got them thinking that there are other places in this world than Michigan, and got them thinking of a solution - wonderful.

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Posted : July 30, 2009 9:30 pm
stiphy
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LOL, if we had a 3 strikes law some of the senator's might still be in jail 🙂

Sean

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Posted : July 30, 2009 9:33 pm
DUN
 DUN
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LOL, if we had a 3 strikes law some of the senator's might still be in jail 🙂

Sean

Which brings up a question I`ve had time & time again since I`ve been here:
Do you HAVE to be a convect to run for senate?

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Posted : July 31, 2009 3:45 am
ricspratlin
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Sounds like the USVI's are no different than Detroit, Atlanta, New York City, etc... How's the area around Red Hook? Is this problem only on STT or STX and STJ too?

Thanks,

Ric

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Posted : August 18, 2009 9:41 pm
East Ender
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From a recent post, it seems that there is a guy from New Jersey who is mowing down goats in Red Hook with his rental car, but other than that...;)

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Posted : August 18, 2009 10:18 pm
Trade
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:@) Saving us all from killer goats...

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Posted : August 18, 2009 10:25 pm
SunshineCruzan
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That's "baaaaah...d"...
sorry, couldn't help it.:D

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Posted : August 19, 2009 4:31 am
Edward
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"Talk to law enforcement people, and they will tell you that trust begins with relationships."

Not just law enforcement but a basic rule of human society.

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Posted : August 19, 2009 5:15 am
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