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onthespot
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I think you are right. Peace out.

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Posted : March 14, 2012 2:07 am
JahRustyFerrari
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Forgive me for being direct, but your grasp of strategic matters is, as usual with most ordinary people is nil.

Okay- permit me to educate you- Assess the threat. Plan the Strategy to Neutralize the Threat. Asses the Logistics and Forward Logistics required. Deployment of Forces. Execution of Strategy.

1) Prospective opponents- (Regional) A) Venezuela B) Cuba C) Forward Deployed Subs ((Sequester/Loiter)- Canal Routes
2)Threat Level Capability- Low
3) Necessary Forces to Overcome- 1 to 2 Carrier Task Forces (We have 13?), 2 Strategic Air Wings, 1 EW Wing
4) Estimated time to Neutralize Venezuelano Threat- Less Than 48 hours.
5) Invasion- None.
6) ASW- One Carrier/Surface Group, numerous other assets- none of which is the Air National Guard.

Therefore, ANY concentration of forces in the VI would be for R&R...Or, better yet- another form of financial infusion to the local economy to support Reserve components by modernization. The ONLY reason STT and to a lesser extent STX was used was primarily as Forward Anti-Submarine Warfare Bases- i.e. Destroyer Escorts, PBY's and other air flight concentration to neutralize U Boats.....

LOL...amazingly dangerous thinking, and a great example of why the world is in such a precarious state today.

Less than 48 hours to "neutralize" Venezuelano threat...the only reason why Venezuela is a "threat' is because a big bully wants Venezuela's oil, and is busily demonizing Venezuela's democratically elected president and secretly trying to undermine its government with covert operations. The goal is to have another puppet regime.

Reality check: you can't "netutralize" a country with airpower unless you ruthlessly carpet-bomb or nuke said country. Are you willing to kill the entire population of Venezuela in order to control the country's oil? You can't put "boots on the ground" because then you will have a guerilla-type jungle insurgency, and you know what happened the last time that was tried...

How come the only "threats" to be "neutralized" are the "threats" with large oil reserves?

What we need is peace on this planet, not neutralization of places that hold dwindling natural resources.

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Posted : March 14, 2012 7:02 am
vicanuck
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Well written JahRustyFerrari...the end certainly looks to be near. With the drums beating as loud as they are now, it won't take much to light the fuse.

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Posted : March 14, 2012 11:57 am
JahRustyFerrari
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Well written JahRustyFerrari...the end certainly looks to be near. With the drums beating as loud as they are now, it won't take much to light the fuse.

Thanks!

Nothing short of a general, massive uprising by the general population will stop the madmen from getting the war they want and destroying the world in the process. The sad thing is, the populace has been lulled and propagandized into a state of complacency...a lot of people actually support the idea of starting a world-destroying war.

It is too much to take sometimes. I look around me and all I see and hear leads me to despair. You would think that after all this time humans would have learned to share this very fragile planet that we live on...instead, we fantasize about it and make movies like "Avatar" which speaks to how we would really like to live with our world.

Mother Earth has been here before. It is not the first time she has had to rid herself of the carbon-based, bi-pedal infestation.

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Posted : March 14, 2012 12:20 pm
Matt T
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Well said Rusty Ferrari, myself and my family are not complacent and do not agree with the way modern society works. The whole monetary system was created to make the commoners work in the rat race. Meanwhile the rich exploit recources which are not renewable and the commoners make them richer. A country's success is determined by the growth of its gdp. How do you grow the gdp? Exploit more resources, consume more goods, spend more money. What happens when oil reserves are tapped out, precious metals are gone, water is polluted, land is all developed etc. In basic economics class we are taught the measure of success is your earning potential. After years of hard work and you finaly have a nice house and a nice car and all the money to travel- is that enough? No- its never enough. People never say, "ok, I have enough money, and material objects now, I don't need anymore." They continue to strive for more, more more. Consume consume consume. That is what we are taught is school, that is what is depicted on TV, that is the driving force of advertisement, and sadly its the American way. This school of thought is still encouraged and the basis of the education system. Create more rats to keep the wheel spinning.

We need to get back in touch with nature. I fee lucky to live in a place where nature and beauty still abounds. I could never survive in a concrete jungle. We need to make family, education, and enjoying ones life the top priorities. I'm all for technology and quite astounded somtetimes at what we as humans have accomplished. But just like development, technology should be harmonized with the natural environment. Technology has the ability to allow us to advance as a species, but at the same time preserve what keeps us alive: air, water, and food. Don't even get me started on Monsanto and GMO's. I have to stop here because I could go on and on.

If you haven't watched any of the zeitgiest documentaries on youtube, I highly recommend them.

Fyah bun the babylon system!

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Posted : March 14, 2012 1:26 pm
JahRustyFerrari
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Matt,

We need more people like you (tu)

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Posted : March 14, 2012 1:47 pm
blu4u
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How come the only "threats" to be "neutralized" are the "threats" with large oil reserves?

What we need is peace on this planet, not neutralization of places that hold dwindling natural resources.

So very true...And U.S.A. foreign policy continues to turn a blind eye to the human rights atrocities in Africa. Shame on us.

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Posted : March 14, 2012 4:16 pm
blu4u
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JahRustyFerrari: "The VI will NOT benefit from World War Three, which is what we are facing if anybody attacks Iran. The Iranians will immediately close the Straits of Hormuz if attacked..of course, the armchair warriors here will say that the mighty US Navy and Air Force will keep the Straits open, never mind the numerous Sunburn (look it up on Go ogle) anti-ship missiles that Iran has in its arsenal...and never mind that the sinking of just ONE oil tanker will cause the insurance rates on shipping to skyrocket, thereby causing a slowdown or stopping of oil shipments.

A stoppage of oil shipments will result in YOU paying $10.00 per gallon for gas, and a collapse of the world economy."

Completely correct. Even without a complete closure and WW III we are looking at pump prices achieving $10 per gallon by year end. Decreasing supply. Increasing delivery costs. Speculation. The writing is on the wall and it ain't good.

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Posted : March 14, 2012 4:35 pm
terry
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Matt T, I am sure you don't have a car, electricity, television, or buy anything made with plastic or other products that are made with oil.
I salute you!
So many people want to protect the environment or the world but will give up nothing in their personal lives.

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Posted : March 15, 2012 11:02 am
Matt T
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I don't have a television, I despise TV. I try to limit the amount of plastic products I buy and my good friend runs the plastic free ocean contigent of the VI. I've also looked into building a machine which breaks plastics back down into hydrocarbons. I run a vehicle on alternative fuel and have a motorbike that gets 80 gpm. Next step is solar panels, but since my WAPA bill is $70 a month, I'm not in a huge rush since payoff would take awhile. Once I go solar, I will be converting a chest freezer to a refrigerator that consumes 100 watts per day. We have an organic garden and use sink water and laundry water to grow our food in these dry times. I'm not saying that we're perfect and have 0 carbon footprint, but slowly getting there. Rather than waiting on the government to get their act together, we the people have the power to change the way we live, the way we consume and generate energy, the way we prioritize our lives.

My priorities are as follows:
1 - Family
2 - A deep connection to the Ocean and Earth - feeling the mana of the earth as its known in Hawaii
3 - Health
4 - Fun

My post from above was not really about energy sources and consumption, though it is a topic that I spend a lot of time researching and exploring. It was about the monetary system and politics. To quote George Carlin: "Is this the best we can do?" The president, the congress, the senate, local VI politicians, etc. This is the best we can do? This is the creme of the crop?

Lets not forget this country was founded on slavery. What were the slaves tasked to do? Harvest sugar cane. Where did the monetary system come from? Most people think it was the Tea Act but if you delve deeper into history, it was the Mollasses tax. The brits were tired of the American colonists circumventing the triangle trade. Look at any food product, what do you find as a common ingredient in almost all products: sugar. So you tell me if we have made progress with the way the system works? Refined sugar is a drug, and our country is hooked on it. We are being poisoned by chemicals, refined sugar, proccessed food, GMO's, chemical fertilizers, chemical pesticides, polluted air, polluted water (at least we don't have to deal with flouride here) and the list goes on. Why are women given formula when they leave the hospital with their newborn? Why does WIC pay for formula. Breast feeding is free and much healthier. Look at the ingredients in formula: high fructose corn syrup and sugar are in there. You see: it starts with babies. We get em hooked before they have chance to decide for themselves. then the mothers drop them off at a day care after their maternity leave is up and some stranger raises their child because earning money is more important than rasing a child. This is serioulsy flawed thinking. I don't blame the mothers though, they have no choice, I blame the system. It's up to us to see through this.

The monetary system is seriously flawed. We need the world economy to be resource based, not monetary based. Every person on this planet should have access to clean water, healthy food, and shelter. It shouldn't require money to have access to these things, it should be a basic human right. There is enough food and water in the world for everyone if they were distributed equally.

I don't take credit for any of the above, these are things I have learned over the years and I am constantly astounded by the amount of poison and corruption we are up against. But alas, the planets are aligining and slowly but surely a conciousness or awakening is happening worldwide. Look at arab spring, look at occupy wall street, or just look locally at all the events happening. Social media has us more connected than ever beofre and it is accelerating this conciousness and exposing the corruption and poison omnipresent. Its up to you to make the choice to get onboard.

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Posted : March 15, 2012 1:45 pm
JahRustyFerrari
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Matt T,

I salute you...do not pay attention to detractors.

All of this will be moot before too long. There is going to be a massive kill-off of the human species very soon, due to a war that nobody seems to think will happen.

Some people, like yourself, will be somewhat prepared and will not be part of the several waves of die-offs that will occur.

You also need to be prepared to defend yourself and your family against the hordes of unprepared who will attempt to take what is yours by force.

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Posted : March 15, 2012 2:02 pm
onthespot
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x2 I also salute Matt

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Posted : March 15, 2012 4:03 pm
blu4u
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Matt T,

I salute you...do not pay attention to detractors.

All of this will be moot before too long. There is going to be a massive kill-off of the human species very soon, due to a war that nobody seems to think will happen.

Some people, like yourself, will be somewhat prepared and will not be part of the several waves of die-offs that will occur.

You also need to be prepared to defend yourself and your family against the hordes of unprepared who will attempt to take what is yours by force.

JahRusty, Read "The Road" by Cormack McCarthy. The lucky ones die in the first wave.

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Posted : March 16, 2012 2:01 am
JahRustyFerrari
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"JahRusty, Read "The Road" by Cormack McCarthy. The lucky ones die in the first wave."

Ordered from Amazon today (tu)

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Posted : March 16, 2012 5:27 pm
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