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stxsailor
(@stxsailor)
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so did this get delayed or is it just another rule/law that will be ignored and not enforced? All of the stores I've been in are still using them.

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Posted : April 5, 2017 11:53 am
gringojj
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From what I can see this is how it goes now.....
The stores cannot provide you a bag for free, but they can sell you a bag and then you can put your items in it.

It seems like they have the plastic bags priced at a discouraging 10 cents per bag.

So I guess the idea is that people will not want to pay for the bags and will start bringing their own bags.

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Posted : April 5, 2017 12:41 pm
speee1dy
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Islander

even though those bags had already been bought and were already in their budget, they are now charging the customer for them. they are not allowed to order any new bags but they are allowed to use up their old bags.

sadly even those bags from Seaside Market that are biodegradable are not allowed to be used.

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Posted : April 5, 2017 1:38 pm
fdr
 fdr
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Noble Member

Yeah, I do wish they would allow biodegradable bags. I understand that part of the point is to keep plastic out of the ocean, of course -- a biodegradable bag is probably just as harmful for a turtle to eat as a non-bio one.

On St John, the grocery stores have switched almost completely to offering paper bags. I say almost because sometimes plastic bags will reappear for a couple of days and then disappear again. I see many people bringing reusable bags. It's been a good change.

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Posted : April 5, 2017 1:43 pm
Scubadoo
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Noble Member

Hawaii has banned the plastic bags, all the many stores I visited used paper bags at no additional charge. Hawaii still allows "reusable" plastic bags. These are the heavier bags like what a higher end department store might use, the ABC liquor stores were using them.
Jan-March were supposed to be transition months for the VI ban I recall with the ban being effective this month.

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Posted : April 5, 2017 3:20 pm
sunshinefun
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It seems like they have the plastic bags priced at a discouraging 10 cents per bag.

10 cents a bag is a fair price to not go through the bother of having to bring your own and I'll happily pay it.

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Posted : April 5, 2017 5:26 pm
sunshinefun
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even though those bags had already been bought and were already in their budget, they are now charging the customer for them. they are not allowed to order any new bags but they are allowed to use up their old bags.

The law doesn't say anything about not being allowed to order new bags. Anyone can still buy grocery bags and have them shipped here. The law has several loopholes that are big enough to jump through including definitions of bag type and intended usage. The store owners already knew this from the get go. Plastic bags will be around for sometime to come and with our non-existent enforcement, why would they worry.

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Posted : April 5, 2017 5:39 pm
Alana33
(@Alana33)
Islander

I'll happily bring my own bags and help reduce the amount of plastic that gets into our environment and waters. Every little bit helps.
My brother in law brings the plastic bags they get from stores up to FL to recycle when they make their stateside trips from STJ.

Personally, I don't see what the difficulty is with having reusable shopping tote bags and using them instead of paying for a plastic bag that doesn't degrade, ends up in our landfills or along the roadsides and is harmful to our turtles and other marine life.

Seriously, how difficult is it to take your own bag to the store, bring it back full, empty it and leave it next to the door to go back in the car?

Stupid to pay 10¢ a bag to continue to destroy the environment.

http://www.sciencefocus.com/qa/how-long-do-biodegradable-bags-take-decompose

Biodegradable plastics take three to six months to decompose fully. That’s much quicker than synthetic counterparts that take several hundred years. Exactly how long a biodegradable bag takes to break down depends on various factors, such as temperature and the amount of moisture present.

But the bags aren’t always as environmentally friendly as they seem. They’re made from similar petrochemical-based materials to conventional plastic, only with compounds added that cause them to disintegrate gradually in the presence of light or oxygen.
They often then degrade into a sludge of toxic chemicals.

Bioplastics made of cornstarch and other plant-based materials are a better bet. They give off CO2 as they decompose, but they’re merely expelling carbon locked in by the plant matter that originally formed them. The net effect on the environment is therefore close to zero.

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Posted : April 5, 2017 5:46 pm
Exit Zero
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Noble Member

Won't we all now have to buy plastic bags for taking garbage to the dumpsters on the roadside -$$ -- instead of recycling the Pueblo plastic ones??

it would seem like the same amount of plastic bags are going into the landfill?? And the store bought garbage bags are much thicker and larger and would seem to take a lot longer to disintegrate?

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Posted : April 5, 2017 5:56 pm
Alana33
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Islander

True but how often do you see the big black ones on roadsides or in the ocean?

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Posted : April 5, 2017 6:23 pm
speee1dy
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Islander

thats what i heard on da vybe. and that just goes for the plastic

even though those bags had already been bought and were already in their budget, they are now charging the customer for them. they are not allowed to order any new bags but they are allowed to use up their old bags.

The law doesn't say anything about not being allowed to order new bags. Anyone can still buy grocery bags and have them shipped here. The law has several loopholes that are big enough to jump through including definitions of bag type and intended usage. The store owners already knew this from the get go. Plastic bags will be around for sometime to come and with our non-existent enforcement, why would they worry.

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Posted : April 5, 2017 6:29 pm
speee1dy
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Islander

and those ones they give out all over the place or make you buy , they disintegrate into little plastic bits that never go away.

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Posted : April 5, 2017 6:30 pm
AandA2VI
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Noble Member

True but how often do you see the big black ones on roadsides or in the ocean?

All the time!

Absolutely disgusted that stores are skirting the law. I'll be reporting anyone I see using any bags.

*** The views and opinions expressed in my posts are soley those of A&A2VI and other like minded islanders. These views and opinions do not necessarily represent those of the majority or any/all contributors to this site. Have a GREAT DAY!

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Posted : April 5, 2017 11:00 pm
Alana33
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Islander

Every little bit helps!

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1595114190529583&id=101823499858667

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Posted : April 5, 2017 11:11 pm
Scubadoo
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Noble Member

No impact on CUL shopping. Have the regular grocery stores started putting their empty boxes out front by the registers like CUL does?

Not a big deal to use the canvas bags but we have to remember to bring them into the store and try to remember to keep them in the truck. And not all shopping is preplanned so it's easy to end up in a store with no canvas bags. Granted in those cases probably do not need more than a bag or two. We find lots of uses of the old bags, never just throwing them out. Now will have to buy something else for the other uses.

Anyone been into Home Depot lately? I'm glad to see those crappy bags go from HD, A lot of stuff with points or edges just tears through the plastic too easily and falls out. I think I had asked them and they said they were going to switch to paper bags.

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Posted : April 5, 2017 11:25 pm
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