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blu4u
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http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01034.htm
Why aren't the feds looking into this?

Federal jurisdiction over kidnapping extends to the following situations: ....(omitted).....(2) kidnapping within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States;....

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Posted : February 25, 2013 5:28 pm
Alana33
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Why don't you start a new thread about it?

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Posted : February 25, 2013 11:02 pm
Tiberius
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Why don't you start a new thread about it?

Because we have nothing to hide.

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Posted : February 26, 2013 3:06 pm
Jamison
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When people immediately bring up these incidents in a PMV thread, it just seems like feigned outrage and borderline bragging.

I think everybody knows there is crime here, it's everywhere. I know it's bad here and law enforcement doesn't handle things the same way as in the states, but if you really care about these things and want to talk about them, just start a thread about it.

The PMV threads are about different kinds of questions people may have and helps to keep the board informative. Unless it's batman thinking of moving here, it's irrelevant.

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Posted : February 26, 2013 3:31 pm
sttanon
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Where I'm from, if there's a violent crime it's on the air immediately. They don't even wait for the 6 o'clock news. In the VI you may not hear about it at all.
I was blinded by paradise. When I was there violent crime was the farthest thing from mind. Nevermind all the secrecy. And lets be honest. Alot of the people posting answers here have been there for a long time. They are also business owners having a variety of tourist friendly businesses and they don't want to shed a negative light on the islands. Because if people hear about the crime and the way it's handled, they will be afraid to visit. And if tourism dies, the islands die with it. It's not fair when somone inquires about moving they're on their own. That doesn't mean when somone like the OP posts here you should blurt out "oh yeah we have lots of violent crime here and the police don't do jack about it". .

I had heard about the shooting within a few hours after it happened and wasn't surprised in a way. It isn't the first time that Bolongo has been hit like that, just one of the first times that I actually remember someone getting shot over it. Crime is a touchy subject in ANY tourist destination not just the islands.

I also knew Bill for a long time quite well and it is tragic that such a heinous act happened to someone with such a big heart, that being said... I agree with Ronnie in that Bill would not have wanted his death to be used in such a way nor do I believe that it is acceptable the way that the case is being handled. I would rather some time be taken and the case be tried correctly resulting in a conviction for the appropriate charge than risk it being thrown out or overturned on appeal. I think that Bill would agree with such a sentiment.

I think what a few people are trying to say is that it seems like every thread that a potential relocator posts ends up with a soapbox being pulled out about one of a few repeating topics. I am not saying that life here is perfect, then again where is? I am not a business owner or someone that believes in sweeping stuff under the rug. People do have a right to know what they are getting into when moving to a new place but crime is not the only issue that people need to know about when moving here....

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Posted : February 26, 2013 5:07 pm
EMC2
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Where I'm from, if there's a violent crime it's on the air immediately. They don't even wait for the 6 o'clock news. In the VI you may not hear about it at all.
I was blinded by paradise. When I was there violent crime was the farthest thing from mind. Nevermind all the secrecy. And lets be honest. Alot of the people posting answers here have been there for a long time. They are also business owners having a variety of tourist friendly businesses and they don't want to shed a negative light on the islands. Because if people hear about the crime and the way it's handled, they will be afraid to visit. And if tourism dies, the islands die with it. It's not fair when somone inquires about moving they're on their own. That doesn't mean when somone like the OP posts here you should blurt out "oh yeah we have lots of violent crime here and the police don't do jack about it". .

I had heard about the shooting within a few hours after it happened and wasn't surprised in a way. It isn't the first time that Bolongo has been hit like that, just one of the first times that I actually remember someone getting shot over it. Crime is a touchy subject in ANY tourist destination not just the islands.

I also knew Bill for a long time quite well and it is tragic that such a heinous act happened to someone with such a big heart, that being said... I agree with Ronnie in that Bill would not have wanted his death to be used in such a way nor do I believe that it is acceptable the way that the case is being handled. I would rather some time be taken and the case be tried correctly resulting in a conviction for the appropriate charge than risk it being thrown out or overturned on appeal. I think that Bill would agree with such a sentiment.

I think what a few people are trying to say is that it seems like every thread that a potential relocator posts ends up with a soapbox being pulled out about one of a few repeating topics. I am not saying that life here is perfect, then again where is? I am not a business owner or someone that believes in sweeping stuff under the rug. People do have a right to know what they are getting into when moving to a new place but crime is not the only issue that people need to know about when moving here....

I've sent you a PM.

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Posted : February 26, 2013 10:30 pm
sheiba
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What was the original question? How did this become a crime discussion? Yes, there is crime on the freaking island. Start another thread re crime and maybe answer the persons original question/s.
Jeez Looeez.

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Posted : February 27, 2013 11:55 am
Tiberius
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What was the original question? How did this become a crime discussion? Yes, there is crime on the freaking island. Start another thread re crime and maybe answer the persons original question/s.
Jeez Looeez.

It's not the crime as much as how it's not handled.

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Posted : February 27, 2013 2:46 pm
Tiberius
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You might want to reconsider relocating to the Virgin Islands. Recently, 5 high school boys lured a white elderly gentleman out and stole his truck and beat him to death. The only punishment that has been reported of this crime is.......they were sent back to school the next day. This is the only place in the world where it is acceptable to the general public... the native people.... to kill someone and have absolutely no consequences. You might want to think about relocating to a place where the students are free to kill people .

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Posted : February 27, 2013 2:48 pm
sttanon
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Unless it's batman thinking of moving here, it's irrelevant.

Bruce Wayne has a timeshare down here !?!

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Posted : February 27, 2013 3:00 pm
Ronnie
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The fact is that there was a new forum created already for when folks what to discuss these feelings and issues. It helps to do it there so as to not clog this one up with jibber jabber. This relocation page has certainly changed. I hope that it will return to it's original purpose. Too many unrelated topics are brought up here. They need to be on the other page, Under the Coconut Tree.This went awry when gparrot made a very caustic statement. I know there are things that happen here to be aware of. I have fostered hundreds in their moves and even PMVs. I tell them what they need to know. Some make it, others don't.

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Posted : February 27, 2013 3:28 pm
Jamison
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Unless it's batman thinking of moving here, it's irrelevant.

Bruce Wayne has a timeshare down here !?!

I don't think so, but when he decides to start a thread about moving here, it would be relevant to bring up specific crimes, otherwise, it's senseless spam and trolling.

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Posted : February 27, 2013 5:32 pm
East Ender
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I have fostered hundreds in their moves and even PMVs. I tell them what they need to know. Some make it, others don't.

😀

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Posted : February 28, 2013 1:09 am
gparrot
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The fact is that there was a new forum created already for when folks what to discuss these feelings and issues. It helps to do it there so as to not clog this one up with jibber jabber. This relocation page has certainly changed. I hope that it will return to it's original purpose. Too many unrelated topics are brought up here. They need to be on the other page, Under the Coconut Tree.This went awry when gparrot made a very caustic statement. I know there are things that happen here to be aware of. I have fostered hundreds in their moves and even PMVs. I tell them what they need to know. Some make it, others don't.

Ronnie, this is where you and I differ. I don't consider murder and crime Jibber Jabber. I think people have the right to know that crime is rampant on the islands...it is part of the environment. As part of the environment, I feel it is not an "unrelated topic" You are right, this relocation page has certainly changed, crime has gotten worse and worse, making it much more relevant. At what point do you think it is relevant? How many people have to be murdered for crime to be relevant? I may not have been very eloquent in my initial statement on this thread, but I do believe people need to be aware of the crime that occurs here. I believe that people spend thousands of dollars to move here. And they should not have to move here to learn of the outrageous crime rate. WHO do you think you are....to decide what people should know and what they should have to move here to find out? I am waiting for you and Alana to make a list of what we can discuss and what we have to hide.....

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Posted : February 28, 2013 2:53 am
Ronnie
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I have no argument on the crime issue. I am not asking ti hide anything. But when you write falsehoods and assumptions as fact, I have problems with that. Even if you commit a crime in the US or here, you are arraigned and the judge does what the law allows. Whether it's releasing you in your parents custody to bail being posted to release you, it's the law. The way in which you have written it states that they have been released and not even being charged for the crime which is not so. As I stated before I would have preferred not to see them return to school, but maybe be placed under house arrest until tried. I do not know the law and I am sure it was followed in his instance. We await the judges decision to try them as adults since Bill has passed away. I think he is taking to much time for the decision, but I have been assured that they are making sure they have an airtight case to see to it they don't walk. Nothing in your diatribe says this. Eloquent or not, it's a falsehood. This is what I take offence to.

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Posted : February 28, 2013 3:28 am
Linda J
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I don't think we downplay crime at all. But some posters do come across as hysterical. Making sure people know the facts is vital, adding in a lot of hyperbole, much of it inaccurate, doesn't shine any light. The most important thing we ALWAYS say is to come for a visit, the longer the better, and decide for yourself if life in the USVI is for you.

Edited to add that the other thing we say (lol) is don't expect to change things. If you can't take it like it is, pass it by - sort of like choosing a husband!

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Posted : February 28, 2013 12:31 pm
terry
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I would hate to think what Ric was like BEFORE you changed him:D

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Posted : February 28, 2013 2:03 pm
blu4u
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....t the other thing we say (lol) is don't expect to change things. If you can't take it like it is, pass it by.....

Really....? why not...? So are you saying, as tax paying citizens, we don't have the right to expect safety and justice? We should just be ok with gunmen coming into our homes/workplaces or murdering our husbands, brothers and sons? I refuse to "pass on by". The muder rate and conviction rate is shameful.

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Posted : February 28, 2013 2:19 pm
Tiberius
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The fact is that there was a new forum created already for when folks what to discuss these feelings and issues. It helps to do it there so as to not clog this one up with jibber jabber. This relocation page has certainly changed. I hope that it will return to it's original purpose. Too many unrelated topics are brought up here. They need to be on the other page, Under the Coconut Tree.This went awry when gparrot made a very caustic statement. I know there are things that happen here to be aware of. I have fostered hundreds in their moves and even PMVs. I tell them what they need to know. Some make it, others don't.

Ronnie, this is where you and I differ. I don't consider murder and crime Jibber Jabber. I think people have the right to know that crime is rampant on the islands...it is part of the environment. As part of the environment, I feel it is not an "unrelated topic" You are right, this relocation page has certainly changed, crime has gotten worse and worse, making it much more relevant. At what point do you think it is relevant? How many people have to be murdered for crime to be relevant? I may not have been very eloquent in my initial statement on this thread, but I do believe people need to be aware of the crime that occurs here. I believe that people spend thousands of dollars to move here. And they should not have to move here to learn of the outrageous crime rate. WHO do you think you are....to decide what people should know and what they should have to move here to find out? I am waiting for you and Alana to make a list of what we can discuss and what we have to hide.....

High five!

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Posted : February 28, 2013 2:59 pm
Tiberius
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....t the other thing we say (lol) is don't expect to change things. If you can't take it like it is, pass it by.....

Really....? why not...? So are you saying, as tax paying citizens, we don't have the right to expect safety and justice? We should just be ok with gunmen coming into our homes/workplaces or murdering our husbands, brothers and sons? I refuse to "pass on by". The muder rate and conviction rate is shameful.

She moved back home. What does she care?

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Posted : February 28, 2013 3:00 pm
Linda J
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I lived on STX for 8 years. I paid my taxes, participated in civic events, volunteered. I brought more value, by way of my pension and work skills, than I took.

But no, I was never going to make permanent changes to the VI. Any more than if a Crucian moved to Louisville, Kentucky. Unless you are comfortable with that, you should reconsider a move because you will make yourself miserable trying.

Edited to add - Terry: Ric was indeed a mess before I got to him, but I've had 45 years to straighten him out!

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Posted : February 28, 2013 8:58 pm
gparrot
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Posted : March 1, 2013 4:30 am
Alana33
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The point is that you basically hijacked someone's thread for your own agendas on spouting on crime.
Yes, we have crime! Instead of going on and on about it on someone's inquiry about a Pre-Move Visit, just answer their questions and if you want a crime disussion move it another thread, Jeeze Louise!

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Posted : March 1, 2013 5:15 pm
Tiberius
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The point is that you basically hijacked someone's thread for your own agendas on spouting on crime.
Yes, we have crime! Instead of going on and on about it on someone's inquiry about a Pre-Move Visit, just answer their questions and if you want a crime disussion move it another thread, Jeeze Louise!

Yeah. You're right. We should just let some one blindly make the move and say nothing.

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Posted : March 1, 2013 6:00 pm
Alana33
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MESSAGE REMOVED: Please revisit board rules regarding forum etiquette.

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