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(@mtdoramike)
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There is racism every where to a degree, some places worse than others.... But then again, I'm white. So if there were to be racism, I would suspect it would be reverse racism in the Islands...

mike

There is a term in this post that always drives me crazy. What exactly is reverse racism? Isn't racism racism regardless of the tone of the skin of the guilty party? Just curious.

Normally I would agree with you, but in this day and time, I'm not so sure. People, even white people don't believe that white people can be discriminated against due to race because of white privilege. It's like with the Black lives matter movement and watch when a politician or any prominent figure claims "ALL LIVES MATTER" then watch the fallout from that little statement.

Personally I believe that anyone can be discriminated against due to race and believe all lives matter, but what would happen if I tried to start a movement that "WHITE LIVES MATTER" and would be justified in doing so because there are more white people killed by cops than any other ethnic group. That"s a fact. But facts now a days don't matter, but rather someone's or some groups warped perception of reality.

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 12:22 pm
 keo
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To mtdoramike
We're pretty much aligned on this

 
Posted : December 5, 2015 10:27 pm
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Sorry to put my 2¢ piece in but racism abounds.
Well, the USA populace, especially republicans seem to be discriminating about the children, women and men of Syrian descent, that are fleeing their war torn country, not to mention the word, "Muslim."

There are many forms of racism.
Think about it.
You'll find it here, too.
Even those that say there's none.
It's divided almost many cultural lines.
It's not overt but it's there.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 5:18 am
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There are many forms of racism.
Think about it.
You'll find it here, too.
Even those that say there's none.

Not one poster said racism doesn't exist here. Just sayin'.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 11:09 am
(@mtdoramike)
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Sorry to put my 2¢ piece in but racism abounds.
Well, the USA populace, especially republicans seem to be discriminating about the children, women and men of Syrian descent, that are fleeing their war torn country, not to mention the word, "Muslim."

There are many forms of racism.
Think about it.
You'll find it here, too.
Even those that say there's none.
It's divided almost many cultural lines.
It's not overt but it's there.

I take offense to that, I'm a republican and believe all these young strapping men that are the ones mostly fleeing Syria should go back and fight for their country instead of tucking tail and running. Radical Muslim's whether it be women or children blow themselves up every day for their warped cause. Remember what BenLaudin said, "They intend to take down the US from within". I also remember a statement put out by ISIS that they were going to turn the people of the US against their cops. So what is happening today? If it were up to some democrats, they would hand over the keys to the country to everyone and anyone who wants to come in terrorist or not. Once they are here, they are here and it will be too late to say oooops sorry, maybe we a bit to hasty and should have slowed the process down a bit rather than kissing every liberals butt to help them sleep better at night.

I'm all for keeping your friends close, but keep your enemies closer unless that enemy has waged war on me and intends to kill me. Think about it, there is a fine line between radical and normal Islam, the difference is mainly how they choose to interpret the Koran. I also take issue with anyone's religion that refers to me as an infidel.

mike

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 12:04 pm
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Ah yes, religion. The creator of wars.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 1:13 pm
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Sorry to put my 2¢ piece in but racism abounds.
Well, the USA populace, especially republicans seem to be discriminating about the children, women and men of Syrian descent, that are fleeing their war torn country, not to mention the word, "Muslim."

There are many forms of racism.
Think about it.
You'll find it here, too.
Even those that say there's none.
It's divided almost many cultural lines.
It's not overt but it's there.

So what is happening today? If it were up to some democrats, they would hand over the keys to the country to everyone and anyone who wants to come in terrorist or not.

mike

That one statement alone negates the credibility of whatever else you had to say.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 2:17 pm
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It's very saddening that so many have absolutely no clue about US immigration laws and how refugee status is attained, living under the gross delusion that the gates are simply opened and whoever wants to enter can surge in. A delusion unfortunately perpetuated by several politicos pandering to the ignorant to further their own cause in the political arena.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 2:33 pm
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Where would racism be without the antagonist? The fact is there are differences in people, their religions and their cultures. What we have in the Virgin Islands is a willingness to look past the differences. For the most part we seem to dwell on what we have in common. I also am a conservative Republican and take great offense to being viewed as anything that has to do with discrimination.
However hard choices will have to be made by the government of the United States if we are to survive as a free people.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 3:00 pm
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It's very saddening that so many have absolutely no clue about US immigration laws and how refugee status is attained, living under the gross delusion that the gates are simply opened and whoever wants to enter can surge in. A delusion unfortunately perpetuated by several politicos pandering to the ignorant to further their own cause in the political arena.[/quot

The border between the U.S. and Mexico is
1954 miles long. It is pretty much wide open.
People come and go as they please. I am not delusional. This isn't a political opinion.
I have been there and seen it clearly.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 3:08 pm
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Where would racism be without the antagonist? The fact is there are differences in people, their religions and their cultures. What we have in the Virgin Islands is a willingness to look past the differences. For the most part we seem to dwell on what we have in common. I also am a conservative Republican and take great offense to being viewed as anything that has to do with discrimination.
However hard choices will have to be made by the government of the United States if we are to survive as a free people.

Amen!

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 3:28 pm
CruzanIron
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Sorry to put my 2¢ piece in but racism abounds.
Well, the USA populace, especially republicans seem to be discriminating about the children, women and men of Syrian descent, that are fleeing their war torn country, not to mention the word, "Muslim."

There are many forms of racism.
Think about it.
You'll find it here, too.
Even those that say there's none.
It's divided almost many cultural lines.
It's not overt but it's there.

Bigotry against Republicans does apparently exist here.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 3:32 pm
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Well, the USA populace, especially republicans seem to be discriminating about the children, women and men of Syrian descent, that are fleeing their war torn country, not to mention the word, "Muslim."
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Just to play devil's advocate here, I'd expect that Syrian citizens of friendly European countries as well as Canada and Mexico immigrating to or just visiting the US would be treated differently than the flood of refugees from Syria, whether better or worse. Don't mix racism with nationalism.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 3:38 pm
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Gonna write an article on the "Redneck-ization" of the transplant population. It's overwhelming. 😀

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 3:41 pm
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And yes, retorting that "All Lives Matter" when people are drawing attention to the third world level murder rate of blacks in the U.S. is disingenuous and rightfully diagnosed as racist.

It's like breaking your index finger and going to the emergency room only to be told by the doctor that "ALL FINGERS MATTER!!!! How dare you draw attention to the broken one!!!"

I thought people who moved to majority black jurisdictions would have more of a nuanced understanding of societal dynamics.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 3:48 pm
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Mono: "Hey Doc, there's a problem with my wisdom teeth--they hurt!"

Bay B. Boomer, DDS: "That's discrimination! ALL TEETH MATTER!! Get out! And that'll be $3,000."

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 3:52 pm
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Third world murder rate of blacks. Please tell me who is killing these blacks? Cops? Hardly at the rate you are talking about. In fact. More non blacks are killed by cops

Surge of refugees-yes this us happening in other countries. I guess depends on your definition of surge whether its happening in the u s. But again. How many illegals are in the country?

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 4:19 pm
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Gonna write an article on the "Redneck-ization" of the transplant population. It's overwhelming. 😀

I love it!!!!
Funny as heck!

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 4:59 pm
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Monogram, what is your definition of redneck?

Tammy

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 6:15 pm
rotorhead
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And yes, retorting that "All Lives Matter" when people are drawing attention to the third world level murder rate of blacks in the U.S. is disingenuous and rightfully diagnosed as racist.

I think that "Black Lives Matter" is racist. It is simply a tool to evoke white quilt.

This movement started as a way to point out the murder rate of blacks by police officers. It misses several points. Whites are twice as likely to be killed by police officers than blacks.

Despite the fact that blacks make up only about 13% of the population they account for half of the homicides. While it is true that most blacks are killed by other blacks and most whites are killed by other whites, when it comes to interracial violent crime, 85% is black on white. Maybe the cry should be "Black Crime Matters". The more crime that you commit the more you will be confronted by police officers.

The above statement is usually rebutted with the excuse that it is not race but socio-economic conditions which cause crime statistics to be higher for blacks. If true then why isn't the cry "Poor Lives Matter".

http://www.infowars.com/black-crime-facts-that-the-white-liberal-media-darent-talk-about/

And before you claim that only white people perceive blacks as being more violent, don't forget the Jesse Jackson story.
"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.... After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating."
Remarks at a meeting of Operation PUSH in Chicago (27 November 1993). Quoted in "Crime: New Frontier - Jesse Jackson Calls It Top Civil-Rights Issue" by Mary A. Johnson, 29 November 1993, Chicago Sun-Times (ellipsis in original). Partially quoted in "In America; A Sea Change On Crime" by Bob Herbert, 12 December 1993, New York Times.

The truth of the matter is that black males have a PR problem. Statistics show them to be more violent. More violence causes more violent confrontations with the police.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 7:43 pm
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It's very saddening that so many have absolutely no clue about US immigration laws and how refugee status is attained, living under the gross delusion that the gates are simply opened and whoever wants to enter can surge in. A delusion unfortunately perpetuated by several politicos pandering to the ignorant to further their own cause in the political arena.[/quot

The border between the U.S. and Mexico is
1954 miles long. It is pretty much wide open.
People come and go as they please. I am not delusional. This isn't a political opinion.
I have been there and seen it clearly.

Refuge status is a legal form of entry, so not the same as crossing the border illegally. One may seek a referral for refugee status only from outside of the United States. Those being granted refugee status are vetted in a process that can take years. Way, way different than throwing the gates open to whomever wishes to enter.

http://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 8:26 pm
rotorhead
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Two other examples of racism in the Virgin Islands.

The VI Senate and local leaders have twice invited Louis Farrakhan to be the keynote speaker at Emancipation Day celebrations in Frederiksted. Louis Farrakhan is a racist. This can be verified by SPLC.
http://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/louis-farrakhan

Or you can listen to many of his racist rants on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu7pGDXsKiI

Also note that the VI government has 5 times failed to pass a territorial constitution. This failure has often revolved around the fact that many local people would like to give themselves special legal privileges that transplants don't get. They want equal treatment when they move to the states but expect special treatment here, not equal treatment. This is unlike any other jurisdiction in the US. No state requires that the governor be born there or gives special tax treatment to people who were born there. And while nothing in the proposed constitution mentions race, it is obvious from the people who push for these special privileges what they want.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 8:33 pm
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Two other examples of racism in the Virgin Islands.

The VI Senate and local leaders have twice invited Louis Farrakhan to be the keynote speaker at Emancipation Day celebrations in Frederiksted. Louis Farrakhan is a racist. This can be verified by SPLC.
http://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/louis-farrakhan

Or you can listen to many of his racist rants on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu7pGDXsKiI

Also note that the VI government has 5 times failed to pass a territorial constitution. This failure has often revolved around the fact that many local people would like to give themselves special legal privileges that transplants don't get. They want equal treatment when they move to the states but expect special treatment here, not equal treatment. This is unlike any other jurisdiction in the US. No state requires that the governor be born there or gives special tax treatment to people who were born there. And while nothing in the proposed constitution mentions race, it is obvious from the people who push for these special privileges what they want.

So does this mean K. Mapp can't be governor - or does this mean your facts are wrong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Mapp

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 10:25 pm
rotorhead
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So does this mean K. Mapp can't be governor - or does this mean your facts are wrong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Mapp

Neither. If you reread my post you will see that I said that they TRIED to pass this in the territorial constitution.

The territorial constitution must be approved by the US Congress. They rejected it. We have no constitution after 5 attempts.

http://www.mainjustice.com/2010/03/17/doj-recommends-changes-to-proposed-virgin-islands-constitution/

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 10:44 pm
 Cat
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"Redneck-ization"? I'll have you know I can make a wicked Jell-O mold, and most of the time I don't even set the trailer on fire doing it.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 10:56 pm
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