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singlefin
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Biden’s EPA “examining” Limetree operations.

So many locals were under the impression, that since he occasionally vacationed here, he’d do the right thing by the USVI. Losing the refinery a again, would be devastating to St. Croix. 

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Topic starter Posted : April 30, 2021 4:30 pm
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Exit Zero
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Isn't the "right thing" protecting the health of residents and visitors as a priority?

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Posted : April 30, 2021 6:33 pm
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singlefin
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Without a heathy economy, your without the means to improve anything.

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Topic starter Posted : May 1, 2021 6:39 am
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vicanuck
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Come on people...the EPA isn't closing down the refinery over a few smelly emissions during a start up phase.

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Posted : May 3, 2021 8:19 am
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Darkmuse
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It was flaring pretty high Sunday night around midnight...

Honestly, I look right out at the facility and certainly don't mind the economic boom that it represents for the island BUT!  I also know that it should have to operate under the same restrictions and oversight here as it would in any populated location stateside.   They shouldn't get a "pass" just because we are to little to fight back in the halls of DC...

 

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Posted : May 17, 2021 8:48 pm
Alana33
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Quite the conundrum, a healthy economy dependant on a refinery well known both in the past and in the present for its release of toxic chemicals into the air and groundwater tables contamination or healthy community whom may have little to no healthcare insurance or accessibility to quality healthcare in VI hospitals.

https://stthomassource.com/content/2021/05/17/emissions-continue-as-limetree-bay-shuts-down-operations/

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Posted : May 18, 2021 9:39 am
jaldeborgh
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Posted by: @Darkmuse

It was flaring pretty high Sunday night around midnight...

Honestly, I look right out at the facility and certainly don't mind the economic boom that it represents for the island BUT!  I also know that it should have to operate under the same restrictions and oversight here as it would in any populated location stateside.   They shouldn't get a "pass" just because we are to little to fight back in the halls of DC...

 

I agree with this sentiment, the technology exists to run a refinery safety for all stakeholders including, employees, suppliers, customers, community and the environment.  It’s stunning to me the investors would risk an accident or a scandal, they’ve invested billions in this project and could loose it all with one high profile event.  This is a very unforgiving industry.

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Posted : May 19, 2021 12:56 am
Darkmuse
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@jaldeborgh   Yes, I am more familiar with global nuclear regulation, operations, incident response etc..  but the concept is exactly the same.  Operate in an open and credible fashion the public becomes your advocate.  Attempt to deceive the public even once and you loose credibility for years...

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Posted : May 19, 2021 7:48 pm
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On Thursday, May 20, 2021, EPA discovered an uncovered sewer manhole located approximately 100 yards north Monitor Station 1. Strong H2S -like odors were emanating from this uncovered manhole. EPA used a Jerome Model J605 monitor and detected H2S at 3.75 ppm, and further confirmed the detection using a MultiRae monitor at the top of the manhole, measuring H2S at 1.1 ppm. Readings on these instruments at or above 1.0 ppm are considered elevated and merit further investigation. A sampling tube for a Single Point Monitor was lowered into the manhole and detected a reading of greater than 10 ppm, the upper detection limit for the device. EPA immediately notified the Virgin Islands government and will assist the local authorities as they determine how to address this matter.

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Posted : May 21, 2021 2:57 pm
janeinstx
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@cruzaniron - sounds a little familiar doesn't it? 
Central High anyone?

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Posted : May 21, 2021 3:25 pm
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jaldeborgh
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Below is what I got on a Google search on H2S, it’s apparently a common byproduct of oil and gas production so it should be very manageable.

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) defines Permissible Exposure Limits (PELs) to H2S gas as follows:

  • General Industry Ceiling Limit: 20 ppm
  • General Industry Peak Limit: 50 ppm (up to 10 minutes if no other exposure during shift)
  • Construction 8-hour Limit: 10 ppm
  • Shipyard 8-hour limit: 10 ppm
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Posted : May 23, 2021 5:10 am
jaldeborgh
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More info:

WHAT IS H2S GAS?

Hydrogen Sulfide (H2S) is a gas commonly found during the drilling and production of crude oil and natural gas, plus in wastewater treatment and utility facilities and sewers. The gas is produced as a result of the microbial breakdown of organic materials in the absence of oxygen. Colorless, flammable, poisonous and corrosive, H2S gas is noticeable by its rotten egg smell. With toxicity similar to carbon monoxide, which prevents cellular respiration, monitoring and early detection of H2S could mean the difference between life and death.

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Posted : May 23, 2021 5:22 am
janeinstx
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you would think with all the screeching and righteous indignation being displayed when the sea hags thought it was limetree they would at least have the decency to make even a sheepish concession that they are just looking for a payday

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Posted : May 26, 2021 3:08 pm
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Ca. Dreamers
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@janeinstx Welcome to STX!

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Posted : May 26, 2021 7:49 pm
janeinstx
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Posted by: @ca-dreamers

@janeinstx Welcome to STX!

I've been here far too long to really be surprised I guess.

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Posted : May 27, 2021 7:28 am
Ca. Dreamers
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@janeinstx 😀 

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Posted : May 27, 2021 8:33 am
Alana33
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This is an interesting series:

https://stthomassource.com/content/2021/05/29/manufactured-progress-harvey-aluminum-in-st-croix-part-4/

"Absent effective oversight, Harvey Aluminum and Hess Oil both salted the landscape of St. Croix with toxic waste, an environmental fact that further removes cultivation from the possibilities of the present. Today, a mindboggling array of petrochemicals have saturated St. Croix’s sole aquifer and mismanaged slagheaps from bauxite refining contaminate soils all around Krause Lagoon. While the Harvey and Hess plants were only designed to be in operation for a few decades, the contamination of soil and groundwater will endure for generations."

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Posted : May 29, 2021 9:28 am
stcmike
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@alana33

 

Very interesting article. It kind of reminds me the situation that communities surrounding coal mines have impacting their lives. Do you sacrifice your health for the benefits of having employment? To me health comes first but others may have a different opinion.

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Posted : June 2, 2021 8:19 am
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Nothing has changed at Limetree except that Arclight is out and EIG is in. Arclight didn't anticipate the level of remediation needed to bring the facility back online and didn't have the financial resources to complete the project. EIG, however, is an enormous energy powerhouse with investments in dozens of big players. Ultimately, this is a good thing for Limetree and St. Croix. The refinery isn't closing anytime soon.

https://eigpartners.com/investment/?post_type=investment&s=&location=all&sector=all&status=&paged=3

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Posted : June 4, 2021 8:39 am
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@alana33

 

There's been a rusting wreck left behind when Harvey/ Martin Marietta/Vialco closed over 20 years ago and no one seems too concerned with removing it. 

 

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Posted : June 7, 2021 6:39 am
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