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ms411
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It is always a risk when exotic animals and plants are introduced to a new area. That's one of the reasons Customs requires you declare them, and why many of them are quarantined or destroyed.

Geez, I learned that in elementary school, I think. They don't teach that any more?

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Posted : March 15, 2015 10:15 am
CruzanIron
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CruzanIron I'm sorry, I didn't mean to give that impression at all. What I meant is that all snakes are perfect in their native environments, BUT an exotic snakes can be a grave danger out of it's own environment.

I think it is just too big a risk to take for any live exotic snake to be on our islands. Please google Guam or Everglades to see what exotic snakes can to.

I know how to use Google, thank you. My only point was that the snake should have been captured and removed to another location outside of the VI. OR given to someone responsible enough to care for it in captivity. It should not have been killed.

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Posted : March 15, 2015 11:24 am
OldTart
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It is always a risk when exotic animals and plants are introduced to a new area.

There's also a risk when some homo sapiens are introduced to a new area ... just as well we don't arbitrarily destroy them when they don't fit in, however obnoxious some of them are. 😀

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Posted : March 15, 2015 11:34 am
ms411
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There's also a risk when some homo sapiens are introduced to a new area ... just as well we don't arbitrarily destroy them when they don't fit in, however obnoxious some of them are. 😀

Ha, ha. Those who don't fit in usually leave. A snake can't go back home.

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Posted : March 15, 2015 11:49 am
MGW
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Lol....true!

It's a difficult never ending job to protect our islands environment. Another good example on STX is this introduced meat eating 8" lizard. Luckily that aren't big enough to eat you or I (lol), but I did see one run across the parking lot at Gallows Bay Hardware with a old piece of fried chicken in its mouth.

I know Dr Coles from DPNR and others are aware of them, but I'm not sure what's being done to eradicate them. I'm also not sure how far they have spread yet. They usually hang around dumpsters and I've seen them around Subway Goldenrock and the BBQ place on the east side of Christensted.

This new pest also eats our cute native gecko! Who knows, If we eat Lion Fish, maybe humans will learn to eat this Lizard!

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Posted : March 15, 2015 12:06 pm
Alana33
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Here's an article from VI Consortium with pics of another boa found at Mt. Washington. This may indicate a larger problem than believed at hand in STX.

http://viconsortium.com/featured/are-there-snakes-on-st-croix-yes-says-sauce-creole/

That one was also killed.

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Posted : March 15, 2015 12:30 pm
OldTart
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Nature is very adept at recovering. The mongoose were brought in to control the rats who were eating up the sugar cane but the plan flopped because rats are nocturnal and mongoose are diurnal. The mongoose instead ate up snakes and the eggs of the ground doves. The snakes managed to adapt and survive and the ground doves learned to build their nests off the ground to make it more difficult for the mongoose to rifle them.

Just a few years a virus killed off a lot of the mongoose population and the snake population dramatically increased - as did the ground dove population. As the virus passed the mongoose population has increased, the snake population is diminishing.

It all works out.

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Posted : March 15, 2015 1:21 pm
Alana33
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I doubt a Mongoose can kill a 7 ft. snake.

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Posted : March 15, 2015 1:28 pm
islandjoan
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Another thing that makes me sick is that humans kill snakes, and sharks, and other creatures who pose a risk to humans. I agree with OT 100% on her earlier response about humans.

Snakes are magnificent creatures and they deserve to live on this planet as much as any other creature. They could be relocated, they don't need to be killed.

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Posted : March 15, 2015 1:36 pm
OldTart
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I doubt a Mongoose can kill a 7 ft. snake.

You obviously missed my point.

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Posted : March 15, 2015 2:16 pm
Alana33
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As you missed mine.

There's still a bounty on Mongoose in our laws.
Too bad they can't eat all the wild, roaming chickens!

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Posted : March 15, 2015 3:17 pm
MGW
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Islandjoan, I agree with you 100%!
People should be ashamed for arbitrarily killing animals out of fear or fun.

For the Virgin Islands, it would be fairly easy to export our few exotic snakes before they get a strong foothold on our shores; if the sad owner would let them go.

Now for a massively emotional question...what would it you do with the estimated 150,000 Pythons in South Florida? My brain shivers at that difficult answer.
The poor snakes, it's not their fault that man caused this problem.

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Posted : March 15, 2015 6:32 pm
islandjoan
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Wow, 150,000 pythons in South Florida? I don't have the answer, but Florida also has alligators, and several species of poisonous snakes. So I guess let the pythons live, we can't kill everything that threatens humans.

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Posted : March 15, 2015 8:09 pm
CruzanIron
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Wow, 150,000 pythons in South Florida? I don't have the answer, but Florida also has alligators, and several species of poisonous snakes. So I guess let the pythons live, we can't kill everything that threatens humans.

Like the lionfish?

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Posted : March 15, 2015 8:31 pm
islandjoan
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The lionfish doesn't threaten humans, directly, but it does threaten the existence of reef fish, and therefore, the entire ecosystem of the reef and oceans themselves.

So the lionfish needs to be eradicated.

I have not researched the impact of the python to South Florida's ecosystem and in fact it may threaten it. So if that is the case I will retract my statement.

On to google and bing....

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Posted : March 15, 2015 8:40 pm
islandjoan
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I retract my statement.

I did not know anything the impact the estimated 150,000 pythons are having on S. Florida's ecosystem. That story wasn't on my radar but now I know after some quick research.

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Posted : March 15, 2015 8:50 pm
stxisbest
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This needs to be moved to the PETA forum.

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Posted : March 15, 2015 8:55 pm
CruzanIron
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This needs to be moved to the PETA forum.

Where it will be killed by the moderator, like PETA does with most of its shelter animals.

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Posted : March 15, 2015 9:11 pm
stxisbest
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PETA/ Under the coconut tree. Same thing

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Posted : March 15, 2015 9:14 pm
Scubadoo
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The non-native snakes roaming south Florida are a big problem there.

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Posted : March 15, 2015 11:19 pm
ms411
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Why didn't they relocate them when they first appeared?

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Posted : March 15, 2015 11:39 pm
CruzanIron
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It was too late to relocate. Now they have hunting contests and can barely find any.

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Posted : March 16, 2015 12:16 am
Matt
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I was headed to my tax guy when I saw people standing around this snake in the parking lot. So I videoed as they interviewed him.

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Posted : March 16, 2015 10:14 am
Matt
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I tried to post the video/pics, but I can't!

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Posted : March 16, 2015 10:24 am
sheiba
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Dr. Coles has captured a few snakes on stx already and is currently keeping them as pets.. Its a matter of time before it becomes a serious problem.

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Posted : March 16, 2015 11:25 am
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