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Alana33
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There's a lot that goes on OT. Everywhere.
I'm fully aware. However, the VI needs to do better.Much better.
It'll be interesting to see what changes DPNR now has in mind to the current abysmal zoning laws that are often disregarded and not enforced.

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Posted : April 28, 2016 11:09 pm
OldTart
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There's a lot that goes on OT. Everywhere. .

Exactly what I said in response to your "only here" statement. :S

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Posted : April 28, 2016 11:57 pm
Alana33
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Good grief!
You can say "only here" about a lot of things.
I'm done.

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Posted : April 29, 2016 12:06 am
Spartygrad95
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"only here" on this forum would people be lamenting sea grapes being cut down.

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Posted : April 29, 2016 12:30 am
Alana33
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caribstx
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It happens all over....you can own a lovely, quiet property, someone buys land in front of you and after enduring a couple years of construction, you are now looking at the backside of someone's monstrous project and no more lovely views.

When the lot next to mine came up for sale, I immediately recognized that my "lovely, quiet property" might be threatened.

So I bought the lot before someone else did.

That's how it works.

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Posted : April 29, 2016 11:10 am
caribstx
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And...I will cut down any tree on my property regardless of any DPNR laws. It's my property, my trees and I'll do what I want with them.

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Posted : April 29, 2016 11:24 am
watruw8ing4
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It happens all over....you can own a lovely, quiet property, someone buys land in front of you and after enduring a couple years of construction, you are now looking at the backside of someone's monstrous project and no more lovely views.

When the lot next to mine came up for sale, I immediately recognized that my "lovely, quiet property" might be threatened.

So I bought the lot before someone else did.

That's how it works.

Agreed. Generally, the only way to ensure you keep your view is to own the land you're viewing through.

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Posted : April 29, 2016 12:07 pm
Alana33
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You're lucky you were able to do so.

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Posted : April 29, 2016 2:20 pm
Treeman
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Ahhhh

The conversations and arguments that I hear on a daily basis!!

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Posted : April 29, 2016 3:02 pm
AandA2VI
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Let me be clear. They are REMOVING THEM. They are down to STUMPS. I am so pissed about this. Sparty I feel about our planet like you feel about your kids. I realize thats hard for you to understand because you're simply not willing to realize that there will be no future for your kids if we keep on this path. You balk about cutting trees down. I cant even begin to talk rational with someone who just doesn't care about anything other than more humans. Its bad enough that the poor turtles at SP are on night watches and have 1/10th of the beach they need for nesting.

I didn't realize that my STT friend at DPNR moved to STX last week and he's now looking into if she has the permits. I also spoke with a ranger from the station at SP that was really disappointed in her decision. No offense but no wonder why locals get pissed.

I am not going to argue. Its a waste of the beauty of STX to cut these down.
Wave erosion - mother natures karma.

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Topic starter Posted : April 29, 2016 10:26 pm
AandA2VI
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And FWIW I am sure this started with " only a few trees" also.

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Topic starter Posted : April 29, 2016 10:30 pm
Spartygrad95
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And FWIW I am sure this started with " only a few trees" also.

There are very few original trees on any island here. Sea grapes grow like weeds and it is THEIR property. If they were clear cutting old growth on public land I would get my knickers in a bunch too. I had a huge 100 year old oak tree in my yard in Michigan. I felt so sad cutting it down to the ground. Wait no i didn't. It was destroying my leach field and pool. Plus I had years of firewood. Trees are renewable. Human lives aren't.

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Posted : April 29, 2016 10:38 pm
AandA2VI
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lol we need a lot less humans and a lot more trees IMO. To be honest I don't think its even 50 feet from the water so I don't see how thats technically their land. I don't know the laws and rules, so its all new information to me but I am certainly looking into it. Maybe she's done nothing wrong other than ruining homes for animals for profit and making the beach look ugly.

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Topic starter Posted : April 29, 2016 10:43 pm
OldTart
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I'm sure you've done your research on seagrapes and know that cutting them down to stumps doesn't kill them. Like many of our species they grow right back when cut right back.

But this is truly worthy of a daytime soap opera with just the right combination of drama, pathos and intrigue - all over a few sprawling trees. I think you should contact Greenpeace or some similar organization and see if they'll lend their voice in decrying this wanton destruction which will indubitably lead to massive sand erosion and the total elimination of the beach which future generations will never be able to enjoy.

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Posted : April 29, 2016 11:11 pm
Spartygrad95
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I'm sure you've done your research on seagrapes and know that cutting them down to stumps doesn't kill them. Like many of our species they grow right back when cut right back.

But this is truly worthy of a daytime soap opera with just the right combination of drama, pathos and intrigue - all over a few sprawling trees. I think you should contact Greenpeace or some similar organization and see if they'll lend their voice in decrying this wanton destruction which will indubitably lead to massive sand erosion and the total elimination of the beach which future generations will never be able to enjoy.

Maybe someone will take the initiative and chain themselves to the trees to save them. Who cares if it's criminal trespassing, as long as the precious sea grapes are saved. Namaste

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Posted : April 29, 2016 11:29 pm
CruzanIron
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Seagrape is great wood for grilling and smoking. I always keep a few hundred pounds.

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Posted : April 29, 2016 11:41 pm
islandjoan
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OT and Sparty you are both being just plain rude at this point IMO

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Posted : April 30, 2016 12:03 am
watruw8ing4
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I'm sure you've done your research on seagrapes and know that cutting them down to stumps doesn't kill them. Like many of our species they grow right back when cut right back.

But this is truly worthy of a daytime soap opera with just the right combination of drama, pathos and intrigue - all over a few sprawling trees. I think you should contact Greenpeace or some similar organization and see if they'll lend their voice in decrying this wanton destruction which will indubitably lead to massive sand erosion and the total elimination of the beach which future generations will never be able to enjoy.

Maybe someone will take the initiative and chain themselves to the trees to save them. Who cares if it's criminal trespassing, as long as the precious sea grapes are saved. Namaste

Thank you both. I thought maybe I was being a little too harsh in thinking I'd see this thread in a Hallmark movie soon.

All I can say in response to the hyperbole is that a sea grape tree cut down to a stump is simply a heavily pruned sea grape tree. And that comparing decades of clear cutting Brazilian Rain Forest to chopping a few trees on someone's property was like saying this apple is more red than that orange. (And that's coming from a certified tree hugger).

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Posted : April 30, 2016 12:14 am
Spartygrad95
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OT and Sparty you are both being just plain rude at this point IMO

I guess I'm glad I didn't ask for your opinion. #Hastag #Namaste

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Posted : April 30, 2016 12:16 am
OldTart
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OT and Sparty you are both being just plain rude at this point IMO

This deeply distresses me. Thank you for sharing.

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Posted : April 30, 2016 12:28 am
Cat
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Agree with the poster who noted the amazing qualities of seagrape wood for smoking. Absolutely nothing better for fish. No worries, I hug the branches before setting them on fire.

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Posted : April 30, 2016 1:28 am
Alana33
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I'm disgusted with all of you.
Yeah. Chop them all down.
Anyone ever make jam or presvres out of them?
Use leaves for place settings, other things?
These trees are a shore line buffer but can grow at higher elevations.
Cutting back and cutting down are 2 entirely different things.

OT and Sparty, I'm particularly incensed with the stupidity.

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Posted : April 30, 2016 1:33 am
quirion
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To be fair we get them from one of the resorts where they are constantly cutting them back because they grow like weeds.

Syrup has also been made 😎

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Posted : April 30, 2016 1:40 am
Alana33
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Show me where on shoreline they are still growing like weeds.
Actually show me shore lines.
The fact is, we're not lacking weeds, but trees.
Glad all of you can come from somewhere else and think you know what best.

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Posted : April 30, 2016 1:52 am
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