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noOne
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I remember back then was the first time, I witnessed Reverse Racism.

No such thing as reverse racism. Racism is racism.

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Posted : June 26, 2011 7:29 am
ibutcherii
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noOne

What!

Just like there is no difference between Overt and Covert Racism.

By you attacking everything I say, you are really showing you true nature.

Keep it up, you are making my position of concern obvious to the rest of the community.

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Topic starter Posted : June 26, 2011 12:48 pm
Linda J
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I believe anytime someone uses a phase such as "you people" or "they" the meaning is crystal clear.

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Posted : June 26, 2011 1:47 pm
BeachcomberStt
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I was acquainted with someone that said "you people" at job site. Fought hard to keep job. (White transplant said to locals) Didn't think it was racist and still doesn't.
This person had someone well-known in the community (black transplant) speak for this person. And the locals accepted the apology. SMH

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Posted : June 26, 2011 3:12 pm
Lizard
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Maybe in Kentucky it means something but don't mean nothing up North! Can't believe this conversation came from picking up garbage on the beach. So Why dont" ALL YOU PEOPLE" give it a rest.(td)

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Posted : June 26, 2011 3:35 pm
Linda J
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I'm not sure if it's racist, but it is almost always derogatory -- "you people are lazy", "If you people would just.... whatever" One NEVER hears "you people are about the smartest folks I know" or "you people really do keep the island clean".

"They" is used in the same way, IMO. The same generalizations were used when referring to women -- "they just can't drive" They are sooo emotional".

It's lazy and it is derogatory and demeaning, who every says it. She said, stepping down off the soapbox.

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Posted : June 26, 2011 3:36 pm
onthespot
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Another thread derail here... I just wanted to say, this winter I went to STX three times, looking at property and what not. I was TOTALLY impressed at how much cleaner it was than thirty years ago. C'sted smelled WAY better, the beaches are cleaner, the place is painted up really nice in town, they are working very hard to keep the growth cut back on the edges of the roads. I know you have had some very harsh weather and the roads had taken a beating. The realtor kept apologizing about the pot holes, but it was WAY better roads than before. I didn't even notice the potholes that there were. I was SO HAPPY to see the improvements. VERY noticeable, and very exciting to me, at least! It just made me want to move there sooner. Keep up the good work! (you people of all colors, ages, various genders and sexual orientation and religions) LOL Well done!

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Posted : June 26, 2011 3:49 pm
BeachcomberStt
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I from up North and would never say "you people" to a black person(s). It is derogatory as Linda J, says. She explained it very well. Good post, Linda J! Sorry about being off-topic.

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Posted : June 26, 2011 4:47 pm
Linda J
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We do sort of wander away sometimes, don't we! lol

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Posted : June 26, 2011 4:48 pm
noOne
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Because my grandfather is half American Indian (Mohawk) he has dark skin. He told me about spending time at the beach in the blacks-only section because he felt more welcome there. He road the buses in Selma, Alabama, and strode in the Million-Man March, to fight for equal rights for all. My mother told me one of the reasons she married my father was because of his fair skin and blue eyes, hoping that her children would not have to go to school and be called a spic.

I have dealt with racism toward myself when I lived in St. Thomas, as well as when I lived in a poor part of Massachusetts.

I have some family that is part black and some family that is part Hispanic, that are blood relatives.

Racism is racism, no matter who does it. There is no such thing as "reverse racism". The thought that somehow racism can only be against one race is foolish at best.

It's lazy and it is derogatory and demeaning, who every says it. She said, stepping down off the soapbox.

Yes, just like calling people "carpetbaggers" is also derogatory and demeaning.

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Posted : June 26, 2011 10:29 pm
ibutcherii
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noOne

I am of many bloods, and my Great-grandmother was of the Cherokee Nation.

When I use the term reverse, what I am saying, it was the first time I had witnessed white people being treated and spoken to like I had been treated as a black growing up in America, during the 50's and 60's.

Was and is a lot of Tribalism here.

Racism Is What It Is. But it comes in all shapes, colors and disguises.

Carpetbaggers is not a Racial term, A tree is judged by the fruits it bears.

Didn't your family teach you about being aware of those who speak with fork tongues.

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Topic starter Posted : June 26, 2011 11:47 pm
Cruz
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YOU PEOPLE need to END this thread 😉

sorry, Butcher I would have your back on this, but you're all over the place in this thread.

Just end it and wait for some other ignorant comment that you can pounce on. Trust there will be plenty of ignorant comments made on this site for you to pounce.

Everyone agrees that the Dive Shop owner is an A-hole and Mosler is filthy rich opportunist.

Wheel bend, story end!

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Posted : June 27, 2011 1:23 am
noOne
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Carpetbaggers is not a Racial term, A tree is judged by the fruits it bears.

I never said it was a racist term, I said it is a bigoted term, and that is what it is - it is no different than calling anyone any other derogatory name.

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Posted : June 27, 2011 3:21 am
Jumbie
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YOU PEOPLE need to END this thread 😉

sorry, Butcher I would have your back on this, but you're all over the place in this thread.

Just end it and wait for some other ignorant comment that you can pounce on. Trust there will be plenty of ignorant comments made on this site for you to pounce.

Everyone agrees that the Dive Shop owner is an A-hole and Mosler is filthy rich opportunist.

Wheel bend, story end!

My thoughts exactly Cruz.

Jumbie -STX

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Posted : June 27, 2011 11:26 am
ibutcherii
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Cruz

I think my responses have given background to my frame of mind.

Prejudice is a human characteristic and no where is perfect.

This issue can be racial, based on my experience, because of the attitude and anger in which this character expressed himself at me.

My concern is about the privatization and the exclusion that the changes could establish.

Making parody of the situation, I guess, I am expected to apologies for standing up
and looking him in the eye and questioning, what and why are you doing this to me?

But, I hear you.

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Topic starter Posted : June 27, 2011 11:40 am
ibutcherii
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noOne

You and I both have our opinion, and everyone will not agree with either of us.

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Topic starter Posted : June 27, 2011 11:43 am
saucey
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Did anyone else hear that Mosler bought Spartan Concrete?

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Posted : June 27, 2011 12:22 pm
Lizard
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saucey,
What difference does it make if Mosler bought everything for sale on the island. What could you do or what would you do :S

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Posted : June 27, 2011 8:16 pm
Neil
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If I may borrow a historical comparision, racism is like porngraphy, you know it when you see it, or in this case, hear it.

Nobody here is condoning racism. What was originally being debated was whether or not it was FAIR of the O.P. to lump the owner of the land in with the dope who leases from the owner and uttered the racial slur. "Guilt by association" is as bad as racism, and indeed, it is one of its powerful allies. "You People" unfarirly lumps together all blacks. "You land developers" = same thing.

Now the OP has stated his concern that somehow the local children won't be able to own land here. Last I looked, there was plenty for sale.

Heard a man on 1620 the other day say they he felt entitled to free land because he was a veteran. I have no problem with that. It's another form of "40 acres and a mule." But make them work for it, such as, graduating from H.S. without fathering a child. Or serving our country, or staying out of jail.

But I'm afraid that underlying the argument (fear) is the insinuation that "you people" (whoever "you" might be) are now conspiring to take away land from people who haven't paid their property taxes. And that's where I start to barf. It's one thing to argue tax codes and issues of fairness and relief. It's another thing to interject boogeyman conspiracies into it. It's called pandering to people's fears, and it's wrong.

Bill Cosby was right. "Time to stop blaming ______ people."
If you haven't read it, you should: http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm

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Posted : June 27, 2011 9:50 pm
Jumbie
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Did anyone else hear that Mosler bought Spartan Concrete?

Saucey - that's old news. Mosler bought Spartan Concrete several years ago.

Jumbie -STX

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Posted : June 27, 2011 11:02 pm
Cruz
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ok Butcher......here's an example of some of the ignorant comments I mentioned that you would see on this forum. You can now pounce away. My critique is in bold below. Some people just don't know how to leave well enough own.

If I may borrow a historical comparision, racism is like porngraphy, you know it when you see it, or in this case, hear it.

Nobody here is condoning racism. What was originally being debated was whether or not it was FAIR of the O.P. to lump the owner of the land in with the dope who leases from the owner and uttered the racial slur. "Guilt by association" is as bad as racism, and indeed, it is one of its powerful allies. "You People" unfarirly lumps together all blacks. "You land developers" = same thing.

Now the OP has stated his concern that somehow the local children won't be able to own land here. Last I looked, there was plenty for sale.
~ this comment shows me that you're totally clueless, since you can't comprehend that the OP is speaking about locals, specifically natives, not being able to AFFORD to purchase land

Heard a man on 1620 the other day say they he felt entitled to free land because he was a veteran. I have no problem with that. It's another form of "40 acres and a mule." But make them work for it, such as, graduating from H.S. without fathering a child. Or serving our country, or staying out of jail. ~I'm not even going to waste my time with the ignorant comments that you just stated....and for the record, I don't fully believe in entitlements

But I'm afraid that underlying the argument (fear) is the insinuation that "you people" (whoever "you" might be) are now conspiring to take away land from people who haven't paid their property taxes. And that's where I start to barf. It's one thing to argue tax codes and issues of fairness and relief. It's another thing to interject boogeyman conspiracies into it. It's called pandering to people's fears, and it's wrong.

Bill Cosby was right. "Time to stop blaming ______ people."
If you haven't read it, you should: http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm/blockquote >

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Posted : June 27, 2011 11:25 pm
ibutcherii
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Cruz

Neil refuses accept what I have written, and chooses to interpret my statement as I lumped everyone together, as I was stereo-typed.

First, I clearly said everyone who is of the same mindset as the dive shop owner, and there is no amount of his protesting is going to change that.

Next, If the shoe fits......

Your responses represents my position.

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Topic starter Posted : June 28, 2011 1:48 am
ibutcherii
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Neil,

So, now you want to play teacher, well here is my position on the same topic, Mr. Cosby spoke about.

http://stthomassource.com/discussion/st-croix/general-discussion/2011/02/25/black-history-reflection-affirmative-action

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Topic starter Posted : June 28, 2011 1:50 am
noOne
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"We as a Family" eh? So is it you people or not you people?

You are looking to be separate, and as long as that attitude stays with you, as a singular person, it will be so.

I personally think affirmative action is wrong. You should be hired based upon your skills and value, and not the color of your skin.

As far as the land is concerned, well you could be an island like Haiti where no one wants to invest. Think about that.

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Posted : June 28, 2011 2:07 am
ibutcherii
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noOne

You have proven, response after response, you will not understand or accept my point of view.

I have nothing else to share with you.

You can have the last word.

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Topic starter Posted : June 28, 2011 4:49 am
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