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Gator's Mom
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December 15, 2016 3:19 pm  

so follow me on this one.

Medicare covers less, health insurance becomes increasingly less available (not socialized heaven forbid), social security payments are reduced, pension funds become old school and 401Ks are all you got for retirement.

Grandma gets sick so the family now has to pool its resources to pay for her expensive medicines, doctors and hospital bill. She can't take care of herself so a wage earner gives up a job and/or a college-age kid gives up college to assist her full-time. There is no Medicaid to help out.

Because student loans are evil - availability to funds for higher education get turned off (except for Pell grants for the poorest) and family funds that might have been pooled to support the college-age kid are used to care for grandma (who has no pension, social security, limited health care).

Grand kid's expectations for education and career choices is seriously impacted.

This scenario gets played out all the time for poorer citizens, This narrative will increasingly affect more and more of us.

The average American family makes $50K a year - and has no savings.

Forces hand to mouth existence in one generation. New feudalism.


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December 15, 2016 3:28 pm  

just how is my life or anyones going to be turned upside down.

One trick ponies - turn off your breitbart and stop consuming propaganda though I know the election is all you have.

Now, start figuring out how you and your family will survive once your life is turned upside down by the new oligarch in town. The vision is a new feudalism with capitalism as the excuse. Strip away health care, pensions, social security, living wages - yeah,
Trump is the guy for America!

Glad you have 5 minute videos so you can learn what the rest of us learned in civics class though way too late.

Here's a new one - why is Rebekah Mercer the most dangerous woman in the US?

Just had a pop tart and it was real good.


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December 15, 2016 5:37 pm  

so follow me on this one.

To your fantasy world?

are you psychic now?

that's a lot of drastic changes.

Medicare wouldn't even be needed if cross-state insurance sales was allowed... there's a lot "getting out of the way" the government could to do help us out.. but the kind of changes your talking about would take a lot of work & not get a POTUS re-elected (the first term is all about that...).

Seems like your doing a bit of "they sky is falling" right now... Seems like it's still up there to me.


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Gator's Mom
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December 15, 2016 6:21 pm  

New feudalism is a conservative concept. The rich get richer - while more and more people have less and less. Society becomes more tribal.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/382266/

BTW for many lower/middle class elderly, traditional Medicare is too expensive to use. 20% coinsurance is required. Medical care can tip the balance between eating and not.

Traditional Medicare is a national program and has nothing to do with state lines. Advantage plans are an HMO alternative to traditional Medicare managed by insurance companies. Supplement plans are sold in the insurance marketplace.

Traditional pension plans are not popular anymore. Employers now offer 401K plans that include a match IF the employee can afford to contributes first. Works fine for managers but the less you make, the less likely you'll participate.

Social security and Medicare will have eligibility ages raised during the coming year or two - nothing to do with Trump and more to do with GOP legislature.

so follow me on this one.

To your fantasy world?

are you psychic now?

that's a lot of drastic changes.

Medicare wouldn't even be needed if cross-state insurance sales was allowed... there's a lot "getting out of the way" the government could to do help us out.. but the kind of changes your talking about would take a lot of work & not get a POTUS re-elected (the first term is all about that...).

Seems like your doing a bit of "they sky is falling" right now... Seems like it's still up there to me.


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LiquidFluoride
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December 15, 2016 6:50 pm  

New feudalism is a conservative concept.

No, it's not. maybe a NEO-con concept, good thing there are no neo-con president elects 😉

I prefer to use words by their definition (that's how they were designed to be used).

Traditional Medicare is a national program and has nothing to do with state lines.

I wouldn't consider medicare as "medical insurance" so... why bring that up?

Advantage plans are an HMO alternative to traditional Medicare managed by insurance companies. Supplement plans are sold in the insurance marketplace.

Which are not allowed to compete across state lines.. TOTAL BS!

Traditional pension plans are not popular anymore. Employers now offer 401K plans that include a match IF the employee can afford to contributes first. Works fine for managers but the less you make, the less likely you'll participate.

So? are you saying that if someone makes the choice to use their money now instead of save it for later they shouldn't be allowed to make that choice?

I'm not a proponent of taking away free will, yes people are stupid and don't plan for the future, giving them a safety net will only make it worse.

Social security and Medicare will have eligibility ages raised during the coming year or two - nothing to do with Trump and more to do with GOP legislature.

Legislation can be veto'd by the president, so it's bi-partisan if it passed 😉

Our population is living longer and more healthily & most people are working later into their life too... SS & Medicare were not designed for the last 1/3rd of your life... I see no problem with shifting them to the right a bit.


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December 15, 2016 7:30 pm  

Sorry that National Review link didn't work. I'll type it out for you to cut and paste.

nationalreview.com/article/382266/new-feudalism-fred-bauer

Referenced in the above National Review article was this one

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/05/california-s-new-feudalism-benefits-a-few-at-the-expense-of-the-multitude.html

The national review is the mainstay magazine for traditional conservatism and its ideas. Remember William F. Buckley? Well, probably not. LOL

Traditional Medicare is indeed nationalized medical insurance for those over 65. When you turn 65, you are sent a plastic card with a name and number that doctors and hospitals accept as payment throughout the US. It costs $111 per month in 2017.


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December 15, 2016 11:22 pm  

I have re-read most all of these posts and I wished that I could delete this thread or at least most of the posts, but alas I can't. I'm ashamed to be associated with it and for the first time in my 60 plus years I can say that I'm ashamed to be an American with so much hate over an election that occurs every 4 years.

I wanted to go to the Republican Office a few months ago to get a campaign sign to put in my yard for the candidate that I was supporting. But my wife didn't want me to do this because she was afraid of retaliation from hate baiter's, who she thought would egg the house, damage something or even shoot a gun at the house. I laughed at the thought of such a thing, but I satisfied her wishes and refrained from it.

But after this all be it contentious election, I'm no longer laughing that the people of this country could and would stoop to being a third world dictatorship, that would stifle the rights of others for their self gratification.

So congratulations to all you hateful hate baiter's you have done what nothing else has been able to do from being homeless at one time, growing up with little to nothing, going to school every day and getting beaten by the teacher because I studdered badly and that was her way of beating it out of me, but I still loved this country. So again, congratulations for making an old man ashamed to be an American.


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December 16, 2016 12:03 am  

Can't wait to hear the inaugural speech.

Like it or not, Trump to Obama, "you're fired"!

Clinton would have been his third term. Legacy and failed policies, done!


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December 16, 2016 12:20 am  

so follow me on this one.

Medicare covers less, health insurance becomes increasingly less available (not socialized heaven forbid), social security payments are reduced, pension funds become old school and 401Ks are all you got for retirement.

Grandma gets sick so the family now has to pool its resources to pay for her expensive medicines, doctors and hospital bill. She can't take care of herself so a wage earner gives up a job and/or a college-age kid gives up college to assist her full-time. There is no Medicaid to help out.

Because student loans are evil - availability to funds for higher education get turned off (except for Pell grants for the poorest) and family funds that might have been pooled to support the college-age kid are used to care for grandma (who has no pension, social security, limited health care).

Grand kid's expectations for education and career choices is seriously impacted.

This scenario gets played out all the time for poorer citizens, This narrative will increasingly affect more and more of us.

The average American family makes $50K a year - and has no savings.

Forces hand to mouth existence in one generation. New feudalism.

Thanks Obama?


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Gator's Mom
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December 16, 2016 9:30 am  

The progression toward poverty for many families has been happening for many years now - Dems and Reps in the presidency. Personally, I don't see any change ahead no matter what - revolution aside and that could be ugly.

Of course Obama has responsibility, too. I don't think oligarchs and generals have my best interest at heart but I guess we'll see.

http://qz.com/862412/trumps-16-cabinet-level-picks-have-more-money-than-a-third-of-american-households-combined/?utm_source=atlfb

so follow me on this one.

Medicare covers less, health insurance becomes increasingly less available (not socialized heaven forbid), social security payments are reduced, pension funds become old school and 401Ks are all you got for retirement.

Grandma gets sick so the family now has to pool its resources to pay for her expensive medicines, doctors and hospital bill. She can't take care of herself so a wage earner gives up a job and/or a college-age kid gives up college to assist her full-time. There is no Medicaid to help out.

Because student loans are evil - availability to funds for higher education get turned off (except for Pell grants for the poorest) and family funds that might have been pooled to support the college-age kid are used to care for grandma (who has no pension, social security, limited health care).

Grand kid's expectations for education and career choices is seriously impacted.

This scenario gets played out all the time for poorer citizens, This narrative will increasingly affect more and more of us.

The average American family makes $50K a year - and has no savings.

Forces hand to mouth existence in one generation. New feudalism.

Thanks Obama?


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speee1dy
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December 16, 2016 12:10 pm  

i agree with your wife. very few people know who i supported. i will not wear any clothing item , hats, key fobs ....anything with his name on it. not down here.

I have re-read most all of these posts and I wished that I could delete this thread or at least most of the posts, but alas I can't. I'm ashamed to be associated with it and for the first time in my 60 plus years I can say that I'm ashamed to be an American with so much hate over an election that occurs every 4 years.

I wanted to go to the Republican Office a few months ago to get a campaign sign to put in my yard for the candidate that I was supporting. But my wife didn't want me to do this because she was afraid of retaliation from hate baiter's, who she thought would egg the house, damage something or even shoot a gun at the house. I laughed at the thought of such a thing, but I satisfied her wishes and refrained from it.

But after this all be it contentious election, I'm no longer laughing that the people of this country could and would stoop to being a third world dictatorship, that would stifle the rights of others for their self gratification.

So congratulations to all you hateful hate baiter's you have done what nothing else has been able to do from being homeless at one time, growing up with little to nothing, going to school every day and getting beaten by the teacher because I studdered badly and that was her way of beating it out of me, but I still loved this country. So again, congratulations for making an old man ashamed to be an American.


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December 16, 2016 12:48 pm  

i agree with your wife. very few people know who i supported. i will not wear any clothing item , hats, key fobs ....anything with his name on it. not down here.

Saw a truck with Trump stickers all over it in Gallows bay... is it that bad really?

I know this place is ridiculously over represented as democrat, so much so that every single politician seems to be a D... My co-workers hate trump for no reason (at least people on this thread brought up his bankrupt situations and other business "deals"... those are somewhat valid reasons not to like him) other than what CNN has told them to think.

I see the violence down here coming out of the projects and those who have "escaped" the projects yet still are involved with them, certain family names could be named 😉

But those guys don't seem to give a crap about politics.

ALTHOUGH, during the local election I did see several signs that appeared to have been attacked with a machete.. but those were those annoying road side signs (which I thought were illegal until I heard a radio announcement saying that it was illegal to "deface" those signs) I may have run one over that was blocking my view to incoming traffic....

Sad that political differences cause so much strife, a lot of people have very little emotional intelligence / control.


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December 16, 2016 2:17 pm  

DOWN HERE you just never know what someones going to do .

and you are right, they just hear these little talking sound bites and think they know what is going to happen . someone said he was going to do away with all food stamps. there is a whole lot of misinformation going around even among those who you thought were educated.

i have asked people what they are afraid of and no one has a clear answer.

i just wish there were no signs of any sort that block the road views , they are dangerous

i agree with your wife. very few people know who i supported. i will not wear any clothing item , hats, key fobs ....anything with his name on it. not down here.

Saw a truck with Trump stickers all over it in Gallows bay... is it that bad really?

I know this place is ridiculously over represented as democrat, so much so that every single politician seems to be a D... My co-workers hate trump for no reason (at least people on this thread brought up his bankrupt situations and other business "deals"... those are somewhat valid reasons not to like him) other than what CNN has told them to think.

I see the violence down here coming out of the projects and those who have "escaped" the projects yet still are involved with them, certain family names could be named 😉

But those guys don't seem to give a crap about politics.

ALTHOUGH, during the local election I did see several signs that appeared to have been attacked with a machete.. but those were those annoying road side signs (which I thought were illegal until I heard a radio announcement saying that it was illegal to "deface" those signs) I may have run one over that was blocking my view to incoming traffic....

Sad that political differences cause so much strife, a lot of people have very little emotional intelligence / control.


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December 16, 2016 3:50 pm  

I am AFRAID this is a silent coup and the two party system, which is the basis upon how our government has operated since the Civil War, will be crushed through complicity between the 3 branches of the Federal government controlled by someone who has limited if no respect for how our government works.

His accomplice will be an uninformed populous that is incapable of critical thinking.

Signs of a coup
- control the wealth/money - check his inner circle combined with executive power - yep
- control the media message - if Breitbart indeed reached 45 Million users - then yep to that too. Did you know the Mercer family is one of two major funders of Breitbart - and daughter Rebekah sits in the inner circle of the Trump transition team? And Peter Thiel and Steve Bannon too - OMG. Trump degrades traditional journalism (read FREEDOM OF THE PRESS) and works to change libel laws.
- control the military - yep. note all those generals surrounding and advising as "civilians" in addition to the military leadership ready to take marching orders.
- after the election will come some sort of national emergency or new war to rally the base and solidify Trump's personal power.

Even Russia has elections you know.

DOWN HERE you just never know what someones going to do .

and you are right, they just hear these little talking sound bites and think they know what is going to happen . someone said he was going to do away with all food stamps. there is a whole lot of misinformation going around even among those who you thought were educated.

i have asked people what they are afraid of and no one has a clear answer.

i just wish there were no signs of any sort that block the road views , they are dangerous

i agree with your wife. very few people know who i supported. i will not wear any clothing item , hats, key fobs ....anything with his name on it. not down here.

Saw a truck with Trump stickers all over it in Gallows bay... is it that bad really?

I know this place is ridiculously over represented as democrat, so much so that every single politician seems to be a D... My co-workers hate trump for no reason (at least people on this thread brought up his bankrupt situations and other business "deals"... those are somewhat valid reasons not to like him) other than what CNN has told them to think.

I see the violence down here coming out of the projects and those who have "escaped" the projects yet still are involved with them, certain family names could be named 😉

But those guys don't seem to give a crap about politics.

ALTHOUGH, during the local election I did see several signs that appeared to have been attacked with a machete.. but those were those annoying road side signs (which I thought were illegal until I heard a radio announcement saying that it was illegal to "deface" those signs) I may have run one over that was blocking my view to incoming traffic....

Sad that political differences cause so much strife, a lot of people have very little emotional intelligence / control.


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December 16, 2016 4:27 pm  

seems the ones controlling the media is the left


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December 16, 2016 4:41 pm  

seems the ones controlling the media is the left

But there was a good point raised, while the majority of the media is controlled by the left, no one is watching ;).

The NewYorkTimes is vacating 8 floors of it's building to rent out for revenue....

I expect this is the first of many soon-to-be-failed news outlets after this last election cycle.. they shot themselves in the foot, but didn't stop there,they kept shooting.... and this fake news hysteria.. well I guess they found some more ammo 😉 hahaha


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December 16, 2016 5:02 pm  

seems the ones controlling the media is the left

You learned that from Breitbart, which is pro-Trump propaganda not news. The Mercer family is one of two funders of Breitbart and Rebekah Mercer is part of Trump's inner circle. That would be a serious conflict of interest for a legitimate news organization.

The media is not controlled by whatever/whoever the "left" is. The Washington Post, one of the big evils by Breitbart standards, is wholly owned by Jeff Bezos who is a Libertarian.

However, no news is without bias. Reporters filter stories through their own personal biases. Reading lots of publications from lots of points of view helps get to the truth.

CNN and Fox are both motivated by money - be skeptical.


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Gator's Mom
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December 16, 2016 9:02 pm  

Straight from a Breitbart social media post.

This is not uncommon - newspapers renting/selling real estate. The Miami Herald sold its iconic building to a developer a couple of years ago. The Tampa Bay Times building now is partially occupied by the Hofbrau Haus.

To me that's true commitment to the news product in a time where advertising dollars from want ads have all but gone away. The business model is fragile - but not because of the election.

Back to critical thinking.

seems the ones controlling the media is the left

But there was a good point raised, while the majority of the media is controlled by the left, no one is watching ;).

The NewYorkTimes is vacating 8 floors of it's building to rent out for revenue....

I expect this is the first of many soon-to-be-failed news outlets after this last election cycle.. they shot themselves in the foot, but didn't stop there,they kept shooting.... and this fake news hysteria.. well I guess they found some more ammo 😉 hahaha


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December 16, 2016 9:03 pm  

There is no doubt Fox & WSJ reports from a Right Bias

One needs to be either heavily medicated or delusional to think that the 3 majors, CNN, NYT & WaPo don't the same from the left.

You have to be trolling now or PT Barnum was correct


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December 16, 2016 9:22 pm  

Barry Obummer gave his last press conference of 2016. He used it to cry about Assad and Putin ignoring his "line in the sand" And to remind us that Trump is a "bad man".
Bwaaa waaa waaa!


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December 16, 2016 10:46 pm  

Shame on you.

Barry Obummer gave his last press conference of 2016. He used it to cry about Assad and Putin ignoring his "line in the sand" And to remind us that Trump is a "bad man".
Bwaaa waaa waaa!

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December 17, 2016 9:44 am  

We shall reach our goal, when we have the power to laugh as we destroy, as we smash, whatever was... - Joseph Goebbels


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December 17, 2016 12:20 pm  

Someone needs to shut trumplethinskin's Twitter account down before he creates an even bigger incident with China.


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December 17, 2016 6:42 pm  

i dont go to that website and until a few weeks ago never heard of it. stop with your talking points.

i learned that by watching and reading more than one news source. so stop with the bs

seems the ones controlling the media is the left

You learned that from Breitbart, which is pro-Trump propaganda not news. The Mercer family is one of two funders of Breitbart and Rebekah Mercer is part of Trump's inner circle. That would be a serious conflict of interest for a legitimate news organization.

The media is not controlled by whatever/whoever the "left" is. The Washington Post, one of the big evils by Breitbart standards, is wholly owned by Jeff Bezos who is a Libertarian.

However, no news is without bias. Reporters filter stories through their own personal biases. Reading lots of publications from lots of points of view helps get to the truth.

CNN and Fox are both motivated by money - be skeptical.


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December 18, 2016 12:04 pm  

This about sums it up for me.

An Open Letter To ‘Mr.’ Trump: WTF Is Wrong With You!?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ostroy/an-open-letter-to-mr-trum_b_13633110.html?


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